Mennisco wrote:It ain't too late to do nothing about it.
Never put off till tomorrow that which you can do the day after . . .
|
|
Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?
Only if their poo freezes instantly and they have to carry it around on their behinds. Reminds me of a joke: A bear and a rabbit are taking a poo in the forest. The bear turns to the rabbit and says "Does the poo stick to your fur?" "No" says the rabbit, "and why do you ask" And the bear proceeds to pick up the rabbit and wipes his butt with the rabbit. 
Several seminars had to be cancelled on global warming in Buffalo because they had to shut some schools down BECAUSE OF THE COLD.
Highschools too. HIGHSCHOOLS. Put a damn hat on. Be very afraid. It would appear I am in the minority(happily). Look at the poll on this page: http://wben.com/ And this is in Buffalo where they are supposed to be used to it. Soft, whiny and lazy USAnians.
Not so sure he was being kind there  MJD has used colour and an extra font size on, what, three occasions, perhaps?
He's using red because he's Canadian and wants to rub their noses in it. 
You're right, and so am I. He used large red all-Canadian capitals before your post.
i've got a solution for all of this. grab a smoke and a beer, go to the beach with your lovely and play a few tunes..c'est la vie.
Ah yes, the 'Ostrich Solution'. Works well in the short-term; rarely in the long-term.
Being worried all the time makes me unhappy in the short and long term. 
I do not worry. I pay attention and act accordingly if and when I can. My level of control on this particular issue is what you would call limited. I recognize that and do not stress about it. This goes for just about any large issue facing us where my level of control is equally limited. In a perfect world everyone would agree with me on what I consider to be the important issues, but this is not the case. I understand that many folks are often wrong.  C'est la vie . . .
So we Do agree! Neither of us is worried! 
Reminds me of the Serenity Prayer: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can And the wisdom to know the difference.
My wife has that on our living room wall as a constant reminder. What remaining sanity I DO have here in my dotage, is directly attributable to remembering the value of that 'prayer'. It's now on my classroom wall, and you'd be amazed at how many times I have to point to it and remind students of its value.
You do vote, don't you? That's not a lot of control, I know, but I think candidates' positions on environmental issues are increasingly going to be weighed by voters.
i was thinking about giving the global warming thing a rest, but of course i read the national post (canada), a very good news paper might i add, several articles on global warming.
our prime minister, stephen harper, a sinister looking anti-political type, prone to blunt statements called the kyoto accord a "fantasy". but said he'd do something about global warming. the opposition criticized harper over his non-efforts, while the opposition did dick about global warming while in power...... all spin and posture from those boys.... actually governments seem to be just playing trying to look good while they figure out what the hell. on the front page we had central canada suffering under the worst cold snap in recorded history. chicago was -35 C? (chill) which is about -30F or something like that winnipeg hit -40 C=F, not including chill.... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7226736 http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=a26c75cb-b313-424b-a514-6c1d65adc455 Across the Northern Plains and the Eastern United States, the cold snap is blamed for at least seven deaths. Cook, Minn., had the coldest temperature today, according to the National Weather Service: 31 degrees below zero. "Over the last couple of weeks, the El Nino has weakened a little bit," says Dennis Feltgen of the National Weather Service. "So as a result, polar air is making its way into the eastern half of the country, and we're feeling the type of weather that would be normally expected for winter." note: our joker weather guys got it all figured out, el nino backed off a bit... someone tell those guys to shut the fup whenst time they should not shut the fup..
Global warming causes heat wave
Beijing reports record high temperatures After temperature records were broken on "Lichun" (the beginning of spring, the first of China's 24 traditional agricultural "terms" in the lunar calendar, which this year fell on February 4), Beijing reported another record high temperature of 16 degrees Celsius on the afternoon of February 5, the highest recorded temperature on that date in the last 167 years (systematic temperature records have been kept since 1840). Meteorological data shows that the average temperature in Beijing last December and this January were significantly higher than in previous years and that trend will continue this month. Meteorological experts say that the recent abnormally high temperatures have seldom been seen during this period at any time in history. Temperatures also remain high in Harbin city. The snow in the streets is melting. In Shanghai, the temperature was above 20 degrees Celsius for a few days in early record high = global warming...... record lows = elnino backed off a bit. Global warming report nails shut scientific debate Wednesday, February 07, 2007 Looking out West Michigan windows these days, it's hard to imagine global warming as anything other than science fiction. Skeptics take a lot of false comfort from anecdotal evidence, yet the ice, cold and snow of this and the past week is just a blip in the cumulative weather data of the centuries. the global warming / mass media are rapidly evolving into a nazi style group, bullies with an agenda to wipe out counter argument on the topic. stalin / hitler would be impressed with their efforts. how many researchers looking at global cooling are going to get grant money??? Oregon Governor Set to Fire State Climatologist Over Global Warming http://newsbusters.org/node/10665 Can your job really be at risk if you don’t buy into the junk science of anthropogenic global warming? Well, that certainly seems to be the case in Oregon. As reported by the Beaver State’s KGW.com (h/t Drudge): In the face of evidence agreed upon by hundreds of climate scientists, George Taylor holds firm. He does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change. Like a George Romero movie, the article eerily continued: Taylor has held the title of "state climatologist" since 1991 when the legislature created a state climate office at OSU The university created the job title, not the state. His opinions conflict not only with many other scientists, but with the state of Oregon's policies. So the governor wants to take that title from Taylor and make it a position that he would appoint. Imagine that. But it gets worse: In an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor. The governor said Taylor's contradictions interfere with the state's stated goals to reduce greenhouse gases, the accepted cause of global warming in the eyes of a vast majority of scientists. Suddenly, “An Inconvenient Truth” is becoming seriously inconvenient to those who don’t believe it. Isn’t the Party on the left marketed as the big tent of tolerance? What’s wrong with this picture? [Global warming to cost us Millions will be spent on higher prices, fixes, study says By DAN RICHMAN P-I REPORTER Global warming is known to be destructive, but a study released Wednesday shows it also will be expensive, costing Washington state and its residents millions of dollars in higher prices and remedial measures. mass media knows whats what...dooms day for washington... but if it doesn't happen, i suppose elnino is backing off a bit again... every important topic needs to be researched pro and con. you want criticism of your argument to make it robust, sound and of quality. the ear mark of bad science is poli-science and that's what you have here. the focus of the debate is largely rhetorical and personality driven with facts left on the sideline and the spin front and center. a mature approach would be to study the possible positive and negative effects of potential global warming/cooling. if computer models are to be used for major decision making, those models should be studied for accuracy, first over the short term and then look at long term efficacy.
these guys know a nazi when they see one.
by the way, this following article is not by me, i'm slightly surprised to see pretty much identical conclusions by this fine fellow..... one might think that a group of environmental professionals would be biased toward global warming predictions, but think again.. http://www.hvjournal.com/articles.php?id=3228&art_title=Global_Warming...Says_Who Global Warming...Says Who? - For the Journal Global Warming...Says Who? The National Registry of Environmental Professionals (NREP), released a survey of its professional society members on November 16, 2006 that completely discredits Al Gore’s bogus claim that “the debate is over.” More than 12,000 environmental scientists participated in the survey that revealed the following conclusions: 34 percent do not even believe that global warming is a serious problem. 41 percent do not believe that the global warming trend can be attributed to human activity. 71 percent do not believe that recent hurricane activity is to human activity. 33 percent disagree that the U.S. government is not doing enough to address global warming 47 percent disagree that international agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol provide a solid framework for combating global climate change. These results demonstrate that many scientists believe climate variance is not a terribly pressing issue and that recent warming trends are no more alarming than many other naturally occurring warming trends in our recent past. This, of course, contradicts claims by environmental propagandists that the debate is over and that virtually all scientists agree humans are causing substantial and ominous global warming. This poll shows the real environmental experts are very much divided on the issue, and for good reason. For one, global temperatures are currently rising at only 0.12 to 0.17 (depending on whether one believes satellite measurements or ground station measurements) degrees Celsius per decade. This translates to only 1.2 to 1.7 degrees warming over the entire next century, even if no intervening cooling periods occur_which, historically, they always have. Moreover, we are currently in a recurring cycle of approximately 100,000 years of advancing glaciers followed by 10,000 years of interglacial warming. Our current interglacial is roughly 10,000 years old, and by historic standards we are overdue for another ice age. In the preceding four interglacials, temperatures reached an average of 3 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today. In other words, we would need another two centuries of current warming trends merely to reach typical interglacial temperatures. It goes without saying that those past warming periods were not caused by man or his use of fossil fuels. “Worst-case” temperature projections are constantly being lowered as we learn more about the science of climate variance. In its upcoming Fourth Assessment, for example, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is reducing its worst-case temperature projections by more than 20 percent from what it projected just five years ago. Invoking “consensus” to avoid debating the very real complexities of climate variance is at best a mistake, and at worst a purposeful distortion of the truth. Pretending that all resistance to catastrophic predictions is based on a confusion of science does not make the facts keeping the debate alive go away. Al Gore’s saying it, does not make it so. Gore’s attempt to end debate is not unlike the education “experts” attempts to end debate over another theory, the theory of evolution. This kind of approach to research is eerily similar to Nazi, Communist and other dictatorial regimes. Is Mr. Gore serious? Deluded? Or out of his mind? Since when is “the debate over” on any subject. And, as the NREP poll confirms, the debate over global warming is most certainly not “over.”[i][/i]
from killer to tafnut. you're joking or off on a tangent, maybe there's no hope for you, but i'll try and expand on my thinking/ purpose for the record, in the past i've operated an environmental testing firm, analyzing water, plants, soils, foods, tissue for such things as pcb, pah, mercury, lead, dioxins, petroleum, etc, etc, advised on contaminated sites, toxicity issues for many large companies.... i'm pretty proud of my small part in cleaning up this section of the world. in the process, on many occasions scientific issues became political and in the end many a Ph.D. was found to be off their rocker, but of course some Ph.D.'s on the other side of the equation were correct. to resolve controversial issues, i resorted to a show me that data approach, rather than believe anyone based on credentials. people with good credentials can produce good work of course, but i've caught a few out right lying to cover up errors, personal gain, vendettas, you name it. you got to realize scientists are human and a bunch of them together often create a soap opera like you've never seen on tv... laypeople often don't know these things. moving forward, i'm involved in a number of green projects.... and watching with great interest the evolution of the global warming issue as there is the potential for the greatest waste of environmental clean up dollars in the history of mankind, bar none. if you think mocking global warmers = non green you = stupid
Id guess 90% of global warming skeptics are greenies. We want a clean earth, we breath the same air and drink the same water as everyone else.We have children we want to see enjoy a wonderful life.
I have had my say about global warming but I do have an anecdote about environmental hysteria run amok.
For several years I was involved with a small, minority owned oil refinery producing jet fuel for DOD. The refinery was in a rural area, 12 miles from the nearest town, two miles from any inhabited house and six miles from any watercourse. The 40 acre site was surrounded by a 10' chain link fence with locked gates. The tank farm was enclosed by a berm with capacity more than twice the capacity of the tanks. The refinery had operated with a clean record for more than twenty years under existing federal and state enviromemtal laws and supervision. The approved method for handling small spills was to scoop up a generous amount of dirt from which, in most cases, the hydrocarbons (diesel,gasoline, kerosene, jet fuel) had already evaporated and "farm" it by spreading it on the grass inside the fence. In the course of a periodic federal government test, a small amount of kerosene (estimated at less than a barrel) overflowed from a tower due to a defective tray. Safety devices immediately shut down the refinery. A minute amount ran off the slab onto the ground. This was not crude oil but a refined product which quickly disappeared into the soil. A spill of this magnitude normally required a man, a shovel and a wheel barrow to transport a few cubic feet of dirt to the grass. In this instance, a freshly minted government observer out to throw his weight around and make his reputation, armed with his own rightousness and the power of the federal government to approve or deny the DOD jet fuel contract ordered that a huge amount of dirt (many, many truck loads) be excavated and transported 500 miles to an incinerator on the gulf coast. The cost of curing this non-existent problem by this draconian method would have exceeded the value of this small topping unit. Eventually, cooler and wiser heads at DOD intervened. The resolution was to treat an unnecessay amount of the offending dirt chemically and farm it in the traditional manner. In the meantime, DOD lost 10,000 bbls/day of much needed jet fuel for several weeks. If there is a moral to this story, it is that things are seldom as bad as they seem at first knee jerk. The earth is not going to melt or freeze over. It will keep evolving, with or without man's help or obstruction, just as God, Allah, Budda, Mother Nature or whoever is in charge of such things,sees fit.
these kind of misled environmentalists (see excellent lonewolf example) run amock and in abundance in our local environmental industry, especially in the 1990-2000 era where new regulations came in, some of which established guidelines (interpreted as rock solid standards at times) toxicity limits for a few metals that were below crustal abundances. i kid you not, the guidelines for chromium and barium were set at something like 50 parts per million while crustal abundances are 100 or greater. so when we put out a report, some Ph.D. (got a job outside his field typically) would call and ask for a retest for barium or chromium..... due to exceeding toxicity guidelines..... as a rookie i just could not believe this primitive idiocy. the usual problem is that actually did not know their stuff.
Ph.D. my ass. anyway, after a while, i got used to it and concluded that we're closely related to apes, do wonder we behave like gorillas, chimps and oraguatans. the dark ages were not so long ago, we still tend to vodo, burning witches, pagan religions... generally speaking, once you wrapped peoples heads around the common sense of the situation (don't cart away 100 tons of soil with 75 ppm Cr), disaster was avoided.... except when you had the real stubborn doc hell bent on thumping his version of the scientific bible. these kinds almost without exception in the long term get kicked out of whatever organization they are associated with, but not after creating several years worth of disasterous projects. many are so bizarre that a special section in rippley's beleve it or not needs creating, more unbelievable than a half-elvis/half-bigfoot lovechild auditions for american idol or something like that. man is still maturing, maybe we're half way there? at best? there are very large lonewolf cases - multi-multi-multi million dollar ones that are just as stupid..... see the connection with concern about a bunch of Ph.D''s run amock. a sideline note is i found that the us-epa is 1000x better than our local bc ministry of the environment. we are really pathetic.
well, first of all, there is indeed 'no hope' for me (yet paradoxically, my older sister's name IS Hope, so there's ALWAYS been Hope for me), but of course, I was COMPLIMENTING you on your overwhelming knowledge and passion for the subject, regardless of which side you're on!
i'm stupid to confuse a compliment with whatever i thought it was. since i'm a bit stupid at least, maybe i don't deserve a compliment in the first place, but i'll take it anyway before you have the chance to change your mind. thanks.
I think a green should understand that mocking global warmers = giving comfort to the enemy. And the enemy is complacency about serious enviornmental issues.
global warmers, if wrong will fup the green movement big time.
better to have the world to give it a very good look now. study, test, study, debate and action once you know what the hell. those got it nailed guys really bug me. time for me to make some shoes for the kids, maybe i'll be a little scarce the next while. over to you lonewolf?
Who is onlineUsers browsing this forum: Rye Catcher and 8 guests |
|
