"wonder how all of ours would look if we eliminated Worlds/OG/GP meets"
In other words, you're asking: "I wonder how all of ours would look if we never went to any good meets?"
Answer: Pretty pathetic.
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I've got a stat-nutty friend (who doesn't post here) who keeps an ongoing list of the 50 fastest high school miles he has ever seen.
Not necessarily! You still have the Euros, Pan Ams, etc., along with a host of non-GP meets with plenty of great marks.
"Not necessarily! You still have the Euros, Pan Ams, etc., along with a host of non-GP meets with plenty of great marks."
"Plenty of great marks"??? I'd suggest that a look at the all-time list would not really support this view. How many top marks have we seen in the last few Pan-Am Games, for example? In fact, how does the entire history of the Pan-Ams match up to, say, any two Zurich meets from the last dozen years?
Being as how many, if not most, of the people who read this board will never be able to attend one of those nifty European GP meets, it seems interesting to me who has seen the best "non" marks.
Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place.
Men
9.86 Powell 20.31 Bolt 44.27 Pettigrew 1.45.74 Watson or Morgan 13.48 Wignall 8.29 Beckford 17.xx Beckford 2.30 Hemingway Women 10.96 V.Campbell 22.17 V.Campbell 50.11 J. Campbell 12.50 Devers 6.86 Golding 14.74 Smith
"Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place."
I humbly admit that you are completely correct. What is the point in making any effort to see superior marks? Why bother going to Europe to see good meets? All it takes is money, after all! Where's the challenge in that? The best idea: stay in one place, keep your head in the sand, and let the great performances come to YOU. Yeah! That's the ticket!!
Hey, to each his own, I say. You keep your snobby, elitist, money-fueled list and I'll stick with my "everyman" list  Glad to know you are wealthy enough to make all the big meets.
That does bring up a good question for the masses (using that term loosely) who populate this board -- how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?
No, I honestly don't think it's a matter of being snobby or elitist. If you are really interested in art, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to go to the world's great museums. If you are really interested in music, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to hear the best musicians. If you are really interested in high level track and field, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to see the best performers in the best meets. That's about it...
[/quote]- how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?[/quote]
Not I. I attended Zurich Weltklasse in '81 & '87, but that was WAY prior to GL.. I would like to do a vacation in Belgium/Netherlands wrapped around Van Damme.
there once was a warm and unassuming track fan who made the effort to journey to a faraway land to witness the greatest, the fastest and the strongest. when he made his way back he kindly sought to share his wonderful memories with like minded souls. to his surprise not everyone was happy to hear what a wonderous time he had experienced. some called him a snob and an elitist. some were jealous but he kept posting because he knew there were kindred spirits who even though they had never ventured to such faraway lands, marveled and appreciated every word.
I am envious, not jealous. If I had the resources I’d be sitting in the stands with kuha every time.
me also. i might ask the rich bastard to buy me a brat wurst and bier, bitter. und snell!!
Guess the tongue was much too firmly in cheek
I was trying to elicit responses from those here who maybe don't have the wherewithal to get to OG/WC/GL meets. I would really be interested, for example, in what the best "non-major" performance witnessed by Mark would be. Something at a CG, maybe, or a British league meet, etc. Or someone who has been to a bunch of NCAA champs. One of my best memories at a non-major is the 8.14 LJ by then-junior Sheddric Fields at a small meet in Cwmbran on a U.S. "B" team tour.
One of my best memories of a non-major was the 2.33m (7-7 3/4) high jump of Vladimir Yashchenko in the 1977 US-USSR Junior dual meet. That jump broke Dwight Stones's World Record--not exactly what anyone expected to see at a junior meet held at a local track in Richmond, VA.
My small meet marks of note include:
8:46 3000 from SFH at the UW May Twilight meet (about 2000?) ~60m jav at the Big Tens (2003?), 2:01i or 2:02i (probably) from Amy Wickus two months before she set the Collegiate record in Indy And four that I had the opportunity to witness as an official: 4.10m PV from a (former) walk-on at UW May Twilight meet, 1.78 HJ at a JO regional meet from an Intermediate (I think) athlete with an entry mark nowhere close, and this one I got to officiate 2.27i in the HJ at the UW indoor Invite from someone 5'10" (J. Fischer) and this one I got to officiate ~18' 5" in the Deca PV (might have been only 18' 1" made, 18' 5" attempted) at Big Tens. The only big meet was the Big Tens, but I did not expect just about the best US mark of the year (or one of the best of the millenium).
Since I won't be going to any more track meets this year, I've just done my annual update. My list of spectator PR's appears in the first post of this thread. If you have not previously read the message above the list, please do. The whole point of the exercise is really not the list--it's the message. If you go to track meets and don't keep your own personal list of spectator PR's, you're missing a fun way to enhance your enjoyment of the sport and of the meets that you do attend.
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My PRs surely cant compare but the awe I felt?
1986 Mt.Sac (I think,I was 13) Billy Olson,Joe Dial and Earl Bell. Saw The KING win the 100m (I think). The thing I remember most was standing near the hot dog stand and Earl ran by me towards the bathroom..."WOW! HE is tall!" The next year I went to a Dec invatational near Stuttgart. My mom went up to Hissegen and got his autograph for me. And hit on her!!!!! Man, I should whooped his a$$!!!! LOL!
The Mile PR thread that was opened today reminded me that I haven't yet done my annual bump of this thread. If you're new here, take a look at the first post on the thread--not just the marks but the message as well.
I'll say again (as I think I do every year) that keeping track of your own spectator PR's really can add to the enjoyment you get from going to track meets. I know it has added to mine.
Latest update, as of Sep 2008. Very few additions (in bold) this season unfortunately
Men Outdoor: 100m - 9.77 200m - 19.84 400m - 43.99 800m - 1:43.88 1500m - 3:30.25 Mile - 3:49.84 3000m - 7:33.54 2 miles - 8:11.16 5000m - 12:46.53 Mar - 2:10:54 3000mSC - 7:59.65 110mH - 13.11 400mH - 48.35 HJ - 2.34 PV - 5.90 LJ - 8.45 TJ - 17.65 SP - 22.45 DT - 69.22 HT - 79.31 JT - 87.59 4x100m - 38.30 4x400m - 3:01.70 Men Indoor: 60m - 6.46 200m - 20.53 400m - 45.34 800m - 1:45.69 1000m - 2:14.96 WR 1500m - 3:34.26 2000m - 4:49.99 WR 3000m - 7:32.43 2 Miles - 8:04.35 WR 5000m - 12:49.60 WR 60mH - 7.36 HJ - 2.40 PV - 5.90 LJ - 8.40 TJ - 17.83 WR SP - 21.57 Hept - 6438 4x400 - 3:04.09 Women Outdoor: 100m - 11.00 (10.89w) 200m - 22.25 400m - 49.05 800m - 1:57.22 1500m - 4:01.15 3000m - 8:29.55 5000m - 14:37.99 10000m - 30:17.15 Mar - 2:34:35 3000mSC - 9:40.95 100mH - 12.57 400mH - 54.04 HJ - 2.05 PV - 4.91 LJ - 7.01 TJ - 14.98 SP - 19.69 DT - 65.54 HT - 76.50 JT - 70.20 4x100m - 42.78 4x400m - 3:23.51 Women Indoor: 60m - 7.04 200m - 22.18 400m - 50.02 800m - 1:57.72 1000m - 2:32.96 1500m - 4:01.67 3000m - 8:31.94 60mH - 7.75 HJ - 2.05 PV - 4.90 WR LJ - 6.98 TJ - 15.36 WR SP - 20.55 Pent - 4948 4x400 - 3:23.88 WR Last edited by Jon on Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:30 pm, edited 3 times in total.
I have never compiled a list of the best performances I have witnessed and may be too far behind to start now but have a questions about the ground rules.
If one is officiating another event concurrent with an exceptional performance in another event but duties prevented actually observing the event, does it count?
Everyone I know who keep track of this sort of thing says that you have to have seen at least part of the performance in question. I'd count a field event performance that occurred during a 5000m race provided that my attention had been diverted to the field event and I'd actually seen it. I'd also count the 5,000m performance even though I hadn't seen every step of the race. But if I were officiating a long jump and someone threw a discus behind my back and I never saw an instant of the throw, I would not count it. (I've missed several PR's in field events at meets I've attended when I simply did not see the throw or jump for various reasons. Obviously, I try not to let that happen and I'm not happy when it does.) At the end of the day, though, there are no rules. Nobody scores it. You don't get penalized if you cheat. It's a matter that you must decide. You have to figure out what your rules will be and then you have to live with them. Remember that the whole purpose of the exercise is to add a new dimension to the experience of going to a track meet and seeing great performances. If it makes you feel better to count things you haven't seen as long as you were in the arena at the time, go right ahead. And if you want to keep two sets of PR's, one limited to things you actually saw, that's ok too.
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Is this a typo or do I not understand what the asterisk means?
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I assume it's Tim Montgomery, hence the asterisk.
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The asterisk indicates that the time is a world record, which it was when he posted it. It appears that gh hasn't updated his PR list since 2004 (at least not the one on this thread), although I'm sure he's seen some PR's since then. I saw the Montgomery 9.78 too, but when that mark was erased from the books, I amended my list to delete it.
MEN
9.82 Greene - Edmonton '01 19.32 Johnson - Atlanta '96 43.39 Johnson - Goteborg '95 1:41.24 Kipketer - Zurich '97 3:26.12 El G - Brussels '01 3:44.90 El G - Oslo '97 7:23.09 El G - Brussels '99 7:53.63 Saidi-Sief - Brussels '04 12:39.74 Komen - Brussels '97 26.27.85 Tergat - Brussels '97 12.88 Liu - Lausanne '06 46.78 Young - Barcelona '92 37.40 USA - Barcelona '92, Stuttgart '93 2:54.29 USA - Stuttgart '93 2.40 Austin - Zurich '91 6.02 Bubka - Atlanta '96 8.71 Lewis - Westwood '84 18.29 Edwards - Goteborg '95 23.12 Barnes - Westwood '90 71.26 Powell - San Jose '84 83.38 Ziolkowski - Edmonton '01 92.80 Zelezny - Edmonton '01 8902 Dvorak - Edmonton '01 WOMEN 10.76 Jones - Monaco '98 21.72 Torrence - Barcelona '92 48.25 Perec - Atlanta '96 1:55.43 Mutola - Stuttgart '93 3:55.30 Boulmerka - Barcelona '92 4:12.56 Masterkova - Zurich '96 8:21.42 Szabo - Monaco '02 9:06.57 Volkova - Osaka '07 14:29.32 Yegorova - Berlin '01 30:04.18 Adere - Paris '03 12.33 Devers - Sacramento '00 52.61 Batten - Goteborg '95 2.06 Cloete - Paris '03 5.01 Isinbaeva - Helsinki '05 7.33 Drechsler - Monaco '92 15.50 Kravets - Goteborg '95 21.22 Kumbernuss - Göteborg 95 71.22 Stalman - Walnut '84 75.10 Kuzenkova - Helsinki '05 71.70 Menendez - Helsinki '05 7032 Kluft - Osaka '07 You got me thinking, so I added the athlete and city. Last edited by br on Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:56 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Men:
100m: 9,80 - Greene, Seville 99 200 m: 19,77 - M Johnson, Stockholm 96 400 m: 43.18 - M Johnson, Seville 99 -WR 800 m: 1.41.87 - W Kipketer, Stockholm 97 -WR (e) 1500 m: 3.26,45 - El Guerrouj, Zurich 98 5000 m: 12.39.74 - Daniel Komen, Brussels 97 -WR 10000 m: 26.27.85 - Paul Tergat, Brussels 97 -WR 3000 m SC: 7.59.08 - Wilson Boit Kipketer, Zurich 97 110 h: 12.92 - Roger Kingdom, Zurich 89 -WR 400 h: 47.17 - Edwin Moses, Berlin 80 HJ: 2.42 - P Sjöberg, Stockholm 87 -WR PV: 6.10 - Bubka, Malmö 91 -WR LJ: 8.70 - Pedroso, Göteborg 95 TJ: 18.29 - Edwards, Göteborg 95 -WR SP: 22.84 - Randy Barnes, Malmö 90 DT: 71.06 - Lars Riedel, Zurich 96 (72.34 Ben Plucknett, Stockholm 81) HT: 82.90 - Yuriy Sedykh, Stuttgart 86 JT: 92.60 - Raymond Hecht, Oslo 96 Decathlon: - 8811 Daley Thomson, Stuttgart 86 Women: 100 m: 10.70 - Marion Jones, Seville 99 200 m: 21.66 - Marlene Ottey, Zurich 90 400 m: 48.22 - Marita Koch, Stuttgart 86 800 m: 1.54.44 - Ana Fidelia Quirot, Barcelona 89 1500 m: 3.55.0 - T Kazankina, Moscow 80 -WR 5000 m: 14.37.33 - Ingrid Kristiansen, Stockholm 86 -WR 10000 m: 30.23.25 - Ingrid Kristiansen, Stuttgart 86 100 m h: 12.37 - Gail Devers, Seville 99 400 m h: 52.61 - Kim Batten, Göteborg 95 -WR HJ: 2.07 - Blanka Vlasic, Stockholm 07 PV: 4.87 - Y Isinbayeva, Stuttgart 07 LJ: 7.27 - Heike Dreschler, Stuttgart 86 TJ: 15.50 - I Kravets, Göteborg 95 -WR SP: 21.22 - A Kumbernuss, Göteborg 95 DT: 68.64 - Margitta Pufe, Berlin 79 HT: 75.20 - M Melinte, Seville 99 JT: 68.32 - T Hettestad, Berlin 00 Heptathlon: - 6861: E Barber, Seville 99
I haven't updated this in nearly four years, so here goes. I've now seen the 23 best men's 4x400m performances in history. Of the 111 sub-3 minute performances ever, I've witnessed 98.
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... or maybe he can just change it to Greene's windy 9.78, Stanford 2003. I'm pretty sure gh was there.
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