Was Jeff PHILIPS the last top US 100m white sprinter

[Guest]

Ranked fifth in the 1981 and 1982 US 100m lists,
among those who beat Carl LEWIS, I wonder if
this shooting star was not the real last white
US 100m star.
Do you think it is the case?

[Guest]

Why does race have to matter? The board guidelines specify no racist comments and although making the distinction is not necessarily racist in the cultural sense (and I am NOT accusing you of racism), the very definition of racism is making a distinction by skin color.

[Guest]

Bonjour tn,
Sorry that you felt it this way...
I do have African roots.
Hopefully you won't feel offended by my question.
Respect.

[Pego]

Do long sprints count? If yes, Little was pretty decent. A few 400/400H athletes as well.

[Guest]

white sprinter

Joey Woody just finished 2nd in the worlds in the 400h

[Guest]

white sprinter

Joey Woody just finished 2nd in the worlds in the 400h

[Guest]

If "top" means on world stage, it was Dave Sime, 1960. Indoors, Darel Newman '65? No world contenders (in championships) since then (60-200m)
..? (Except Little, indoors) It may take a Michael Jackson-style crossover to see a white American on sprint podium again.

[Guest]

Not that race maters what-so-ever, but to simply set the record straight. Jeff Phillips has/had one white parent and one black parent.

[Guest]

Not that race maters what-so-ever, but to simply set the record straight. Jeff Phillips has/had one white parent and one black parent.<<

If race/ancestry didn't matter, it wouldn't correlate so well with outcomes in so many areas of life. But it DOES.

[Guest]

Yeah, Phillips dad is black. He even said - in a Track and Field News interview, that that was probably where his sprint talent came from. Blacks have vastly higher numbers of individuals with the physiological make up to be world class sprinters. Just as whites have vastly higher numbers of individuals suited for strength events. And of course, there are events that are a crapshoot, where it seems to make not all that much difference, the 800, 1500, HJ, etc. But some racial/genetic factors are apparent.

[Guest]

I saw him run at the 1982 Paris meeting and
remind of a powerful, curly-haired, wearing
a moustache, athlete.
I was just a young kid and just didn't know
he was a metis... Which is making my question
incoherent.

[Guest]

"Blacks have vastly higher numbers of individuals with the physiological make up to be world class sprinters. Just as whites have vastly higher numbers of individuals suited for strength events. And of course, there are events that are a crapshoot, where it seems to make not all that much difference, the 800, 1500, HJ, etc."

You should probably give references when you make statements like these. And you should define what you mean by black and white.

[Guest]

I still don't know why Jeff Phillips did'nt represent the U.S. in the 82 World Cup. He won the AAU championhips that year overtaking Mel Lattany at the tape winning in 20.39. However, Lattany was the sole U.S. runner in the World Cup that year.

[Guest]

I still don't know why Jeff Phillips did'nt represent the U.S. in the 82 World Cup. He won the AAU championhips that year overtaking Mel Lattany at the tape winning in 20.39. However, Lattany was the sole U.S. runner in the World Cup that year.

My mistake it was 1981.

[Guest]

I remember him he sort of resembled Dan Obrien. He just disappeared quickly. (I guess he blewout some muscle and could never get back his top end speed)

[Guest]

Phillips top end speed was comparable to Lewis. I believe his best 100 meter time was in the 10.10 to 10.20 range, however Phillips had arguably the worst start ever for any sub-10.20 sprinter, and his curve in the 200 wasnt too great, it was just his finish (Wow)!

[Guest]

Sorry to mislead with my statement. What I intended with my comment 'race doesn't matter' was that I feel talent is talent and don't really see people as one race or another as much as a time or a distance. As a high school runner at Columbus Whithall, Phillips was such a ragged starter that he appeared to pace and kick in a 100. It was not unusual, even at a state level to be 4th-5th at 50m only to win by 5+ meters. Outstanding talent. Again, sorry I was not more clear with my comment and hope I didn't stray the topic.

[Guest]

I get so sick of white or black sprinter....Why not just sprinter...I wish the Gerry would delete these type of post.

[Guest]

What's your problem? if you're not interested by the subject, don't read it and get a life!!!...

[Guest]

Oh, I have a life...If I need to explain "my problem" then you wouldn't understand, now would you.

[Guest]

Have to agree with Joe here. These racial topics are an embarrasment to the site. It's almost too stupid to comment on. The shallow thinking that goes into "black/white" questions doesn't warrant space on the boards.

Steve

[Guest]

What??? Radical?...
and if Jeff Philips was the first top Chinese sprinter? would you treat all of us as the worst communists? Come on!!! be opened instead of judging people or seeking racial denials that
don't exist... ethnologists! sociologists! what are they doing?

[Guest]

This pc crap is for the birds. If somebody said something idiotic, like Jimmy the Greek, then by all means delete the the statement or thread. This thread has been above board in my opinion.

[Guest]

Nobody has yet mentioned Kevin Little!!! Phenomonal indoor 200m runner, ranked among the top U.S. 200m runners as late as 2001. That guy could really move indoors.

[Guest]

While not exactly in Little's class,Tim Dwight was an exceptional sprinter.

[michael lewis]

"These racial topics are an embarrasment to the site. It's almost too stupid to comment on. The shallow thinking that goes into "black/white" questions doesn't warrant space on the boards."

I think it depends on what is driving the discussion. If, for example, I wonder why the USA has so few decent white sprinters when Germany, Russia, England and Australia have produced many, it's a valid discussion of how attitudes among whites in the US toward sprinting are glaringly different from their counterparts in other countries. The US is a major waste of talent in some events because some of its citizens believe you have to be black to succeed in sprinting. There's nothing racist about the discussion. A lot of PC thinking is so pathetically knee-jerk and stupid that people fail to distinguish between drawing comparisons between groups with an aim of establishing superiority/inferiority, and making a plain old observation which has no such end goal in mind.

[Guest]

I agree with Michael’s saying that what drives the discussion is important and that a lot of PC thinking is pathetic. However, I think it's a stretch to say that people on this board are asking about sprinters' skin colour because they want to encourage discussion on the sociological reasons for racial differences in sprinting participation. The fact that no one else has questioned the post by “Phillips is mixed” is a little alarming.

[Pego]

<Nobody has yet mentioned Kevin Little!!!>
No Name, pay attention. Little is the first one mentioned near the top of this thread

[Guest]

Oops, my mistake; still, Little should have gotten more attention in this thread. He was quite good.

[Guest]

As a high school runner at Columbus Whithall, Phillips was such a ragged starter that he appeared to pace and kick in a 100.

In the 75' Ohio High School state 100 final he ran a great race (9.5), however he was fortunate o catch Lamar Preyor (Trotwood Madison) on a bad day. The week before in the district final Preyor ran a 9.4 and 21 flat easing across the line in both races. At state Preyor ran srguably his worst 100 and 220 of that year (9.6) and (21.3) and a (47.7), in that race Preyor was 30 yards behind with 110 yards to go and almost won.They both ended up as teammates at the University of Tennessee and dazzled fans even more.

[Guest]

>"Blacks have vastly higher numbers of individuals with the physiological make
>up to be world class sprinters. Just as whites have vastly higher numbers of
>individuals suited for strength events. And of course, there are events that
>are a crapshoot, where it seems to make not all that much difference, the 800,
>1500, HJ, etc."

You should probably give references when you make
>statements like these. And you should define what you mean by black and
>white.

References are on the track, fella. If you are so disingenuous as to ask what someone means by black and white, then you shouldn't bother to post.

[Guest]

Hey Chimin In,

A friend of mine worked in South Africa helping to restructure their educational system after the elimination of apartheid rule. Under apartheid, 19 different colour classifications were established. Does that sound like there's only black and white to you, or that it's right to make the classifications?

References are on the track? Do you want me to reference Philip Rushton's research for you and tell you that references are in the lab?

The very concept of "race" is controversial and what you see on the track is the result of much much more than biological differences between so-called races.

[Guest]

I'll speak on Kevin Little's behalf first i'm like the others we should be so beyond race now but...........i forgot this is the U S the land of the free and of the brave....sorry for my stupidity. Anyhow Kevin was always there for the big one just unfortunate that he couldn't get on an Olympic team, But WC time he was there and if you remember for you trivia buffs he was the (1st)here we go again.....Anglo American to run a sub 20....19.92-95 sumthin like that in his USA Champs Semifinal in 1995 out in Sacramento...........can we please discontinue with the racial stereotypes and lets just stick to the purity of the sport and that is to RUN LIKE HELL..........

[Guest]

I'll speak on Kevin Little's behalf first i'm like the others we should be so beyond race now but...........i forgot this is the U S the land of the free and of the brave....sorry for my stupidity. Anyhow Kevin was always there for the big one just unfortunate that he couldn't get on an Olympic team, But WC time he was there and if you remember for you trivia buffs he was the (1st)here we go again.....Anglo American to run a sub 20....19.92-95 sumthin like that in his USA Champs Semifinal in 1995 out in Sacramento...........can we please discontinue with the racial stereotypes and lets just stick to the purity of the sport and that is to RUN LIKE HELL..........

[Guest]

can we please discontinue with the racial stereotypes and lets just stick to the purity of the sport and that is to RUN LIKE HELL..........

Amen.
Imagine if we were in the presence of someone with 19.90 200 meter dash speed and he was crazed maniac with a butcher knife and decided on a whim to chase anyone of us. I know it wouldnt matter to me what color he is, I'd run like crazy to get to my car and and zoom away just the same.