Carlius Dead


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Carlius Dead

Postby Quick Silver » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:41 pm

WMA Secretary and former President Torsten Carlius has suffered a fatal heart attack in Shanghai. He was presumably visiting his son, who lives there. One hopes he wasn't tempted to go for a run in Shanghai's noxious air.

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Postby TrackCEO » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:04 pm

I've been Torsten's biggest critic for eight years. My take is here:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/archives/000565.html

I liken his death to the passing of Yasser Arafat. Time for World Masters Athletics to open up and grow more democratic.

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Postby MOT » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:08 am

I understand the point you are trying to make, Ken. I don't know anything about Carlius's management style. Assuming that what you say is entirely correct, you have good reason to hope that his successor will do certain things differently.

But I would be careful about making analogies to Yasser Arafat. The late PLO leader presided over a state that tolerated and, at times, encouraged terrorism directed against innocent civilians. The many people who thought of Arafat as a murderer were not wrong. Carlius may have been a dictator, but for all of your allegations of micro-management, suppression of dissent, and conflicts of interest, you have not alleged that anything he did actually killed anyone.

I am sure you did not intend this, but by even mentioning Arafat in this context, you are either trivializing Arafat's evil or grossly exaggerating Carlius's, or maybe both. Neither is appropriate.
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Postby Dutra » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:32 am

TrackCEO wrote:I've been Torsten's biggest critic for eight years. My take is here:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/archives/000565.html

I liken his death to the passing of Yasser Arafat. Time for World Masters Athletics to open up and grow more democratic.

K E N


How about it's time for WMA, or at least you, to acquire some perspective.

The leader of a self important group of over 40 year olds is being compared to Yasser Arafat?

....and you'll probably wonder why I use the phrase 'self important'.

Come down off the pulpit Ken and join the rest of the world. This is masters track and field we're talking about.
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