Sun Yingjie fails doping test


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Sun Yingjie fails doping test

Postby Jon » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:48 am

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Postby Thor » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:33 am

Hm... I see that WADA is satisfied with the doping control work at the games.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:37 am

wow :!: :shock: 8)
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Postby MJD » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:36 am

From the IAAF a couple of days ago:

"Xing Huina wins 10,000m, Sun and Zhou complete improbable double - Chinese National Games Day 1 Report"
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Postby kuha » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:20 am

If this is the straight-arm runner, I couldn't be happier. I don't care about doping; I just can't stand the running style...

:shock: :arrow: :? :twisted:
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:32 am

kuha wrote:If this is the straight-arm runner, I couldn't be happier. I don't care about doping; I just can't stand the running style...

:shock: :arrow: :? :twisted:

Couldn't agree more. We can only hope . . .
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Postby Powell » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:37 am

I liked the running style, at least she was unique. I heard from someone on the IAAF board that other Chinese runners ran that way in the past, but I can't recall seeing any.
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Postby Jon » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:56 am

kuha wrote:I don't care about doping


Great advert for T&F fandom you are! :shock:

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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:06 am

i think her arms were tired from doin all the injections, hence the "running style" :wink:
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Postby kuha » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:06 am

"I liked the running style, at least she was unique."

I'm speechless... "Unique" isn't necessarily a good thing. It would be "unique" to run with your arms straight up in the air at all times, or to continuously rotate them windmill style...or to "run" by falling down and rolling over every 12 steps or...well, the possibilities are simply endless...and horrifying...

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Postby Powell » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:34 am

kuha wrote:I'm speechless... "Unique" isn't necessarily a good thing. It would be "unique" to run with your arms straight up in the air at all times, or to continuously rotate them windmill style...or to "run" by falling down and rolling over every 12 steps or...well, the possibilities are simply endless...and horrifying...


Well, if anyone could do any of the things you mentioned and win medals in global championships in the process, I'd be their no. 1 fan.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:00 am

as someone who loves distance running and feels that when its done right it is art, i find her "style ugly and stupid" :shock: :? :shock: :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :oops:
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Postby kuha » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:11 am

As usual, Prof. Squack has hit the nail squarely on the head... :lol:
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Postby slowcoach » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:29 am

kuha wrote:If this is the straight-arm runner, I couldn't be happier. I don't care about doping; I just can't stand the running style...

:shock: :arrow: :? :twisted:



Maybe we should hope someone spikes Radcliffe's drink, then? Get rid of her and her bobby head, and her stupid socks. :twisted:
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:50 am

paula's running form is far from pretty but she is the greatest female marathoner the world has ever seen, and secound isnt even close. if you look at her from the neck down she's fairly economical. in a dave beford bashing it out kinda of way. she certainly never made me laugh out loud with her form.
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Postby kuha » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:53 am

Hey! I'll defend Radcliffe's style--it's agonizing, but NOT anywhere near as horrific as the straight-arm thing. Am I contradicting myself? Like old Walt Whitman, maybe...
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Postby Jon » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:42 am

SQUACKEE wrote:if you look at her from the neck down she's fairly economical.


You're right – biomechanical tests have shown that Paula's running style is one of the most economical around.

And compare her style in the '93 WCh final to her style now and you'll see the head bobbing has been cut back significantly.
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Postby 26mi235 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:33 pm

One interesting aspect of the positive test is that she "passed" the same test a couple of days before after winning the marathon. This is at least a little curious. I do not recall what the "positive" is for, and it only covers the "A" sample at this point.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:30 pm

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Postby MJD » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:02 pm

You're in fine form tonight squack.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:22 pm

thanx martin!
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:48 pm

squack,

That is way more that we want to know.



Paula's head-bob? Painful to watch, just like straight-armed Chinese woman. I don't want to see either one. Maybe they can race each other and we can all not watch. :wink:
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Postby slowcoach » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:13 am

I tried emulating Paula's style while out running one day, and ended up running into a wall! :shock:

Our coach made us run with our hands in our pockets (or at least down by our sides), just to show us how important our arms were for running.

Both styles are wasteful and inefficient. Bobby's gotten better since she started racing on the roads (She has to run in a straight line. :lol: )
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Postby EPelle » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:54 am

Tried emulating Gabe Jennings shuffle style today... even threw in a Michael Johnson between strides. Hurt like heck to drag my feet like that. I suppose the opposite of the straight-arm style would be Mark Everett and his right-arm-goes-wild-after-cast-removed style. I also agree, the straight-arm style was hard on the eyes.
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Postby MJD » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:04 am

EPelle wrote:Mark Everett and his right-arm-goes-wild-after-cast-removed style.


Kind of like Billy or is that his left?
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Postby EPelle » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:14 am

MJD wrote:Kind of like Billy or is that his left?


Billy? I am a poor lost sole swimming in a fish bowl... have no idea who the fella is.
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Postby MJD » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:17 am

Boston.
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Postby eldrick » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:51 am

slowcoach wrote:I tried emulating Paula's style while out running one day, and ended up running into a wall! :shock:

Our coach made us run with our hands in our pockets (or at least down by our sides), just to show us how important our arms were for running.


coachy, from physics, i'm sure the arm-down cadence must be energy saving - if we can find the wt. of the average arm, assume it's centre of mass goes up by ? 10cm with the classic style & this occurs every 2s ( 1s for each arm )

if sun coud run 30'00 with an assumed classic style, her total energy output of just running woud be ~ 0.5*m*(10,000/1800)^2*1800 = 27,777*m J

now, if she cuts out the arm action, you coud save yourself some valuable energy, which you coud use to run faster:

maybe an arm is worth (1/40)*m ( ? ) - have to look this up

if this (1/40)*m is raised by 0.1m every 2s for 30'00, then the energy expended is 1/40*m*0.1*(1800/2)*9.8 for each arm, which we can double for 2 arms, giving us 44.1*m J

add this to 27,777*m J & we get

27,821.1*m J, giving us a revised time with "no arms" of...

~ 29'58.6

err... probably not much better Image
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:19 am

how many runners in the history of the world finish a 10 k and say " dam! i could have run alot faster but my arms were dead"
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Postby mojo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:41 am

Imagine putting the bobbing head and the no arm action together ! :shock: :shock:



Actually just go to any popular running trail in your area and you'll see people who have decided that combining the styles of two great female runners makes sense. :P
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Postby slowcoach » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:45 am

eldrick wrote:coachy, from physics, i'm sure the arm-down cadence must be energy saving - if we can find the wt. of the average arm, assume it's centre of mass goes up by ? 10cm with the classic style & this occurs every 2s ( 1s for each arm )

if sun coud run 30'00 with an assumed classic style, her total energy output of just running woud be ~ 0.5*m*(10,000/1800)^2*1800 = 27,777*m J

now, if she cuts out the arm action, you coud save yourself some valuable energy, which you coud use to run faster:

maybe an arm is worth (1/40)*m ( ? ) - have to look this up

if this (1/40)*m is raised by 0.1m every 2s for 30'00, then the energy expended is 1/40*m*0.1*(1800/2)*9.8 for each arm, which we can double for 2 arms, giving us 44.1*m J

add this to 27,777*m J & we get

27,821.1*m J, giving us a revised time with "no arms" of...

~ 29'58.6

err... probably not much better


Most of this went right under my head. 8)

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Postby Vern » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:36 am

Isn't all this arm shit trivialising an important issue? Assuming she's guilty, this will have big ramifications on Chinese athletics. They know that the eyes of the world are on them all the way until 08, the timing couldn't have been worse.
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Postby mojo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:40 am

Vern wrote:Isn't all this arm shit trivialising an important issue? Assuming she's guilty, this will have big ramifications on Chinese athletics. They know that the eyes of the world are on them all the way until 08, the timing couldn't have been worse.


What else can we do???? :(

I feel sick and enraged every time I hear about another doping case in my beloved sport.
I coach teenagers who are becoming pretty damn cynical about ever making it to the top. :(
A litle ridicule isn't a bad thing.

I know most people here do not trivalize the issue.
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Postby Vern » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:04 am

Mojo,
I know what you mean, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. But if she didn't have her unique style, how many of us would bother posting on this topic?

China can ill afford another doping scandal - one must just hope this is an isolated case, and that they can move on. But when the largest nation on this planet has a credibility issue 3 years before the Olympics.....
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Postby mojo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:22 am

Props to China for announcing this result.

I think we would be commenting even without her unique running style. Running a world class marathon and then a 10K garners attention!

I actually feel a little sorry for her. Apparently she is from a very poor family. Her life sounds dreadful to me- so much running can not be enjoyable or healthy and then taking drugs. :( Her body will pay a price and now she has the humiliation to live with.
Don't get me wrong I am glad she was caught(if the second sample comes back positive) and I hope this is an isolated event.
I want China to feel the eyes of the world are them and they are suspicious eyes- maybe that will keep things on the up and up.
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Postby bad hammy » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:27 am

Speaking of emulations, on the drive from Salem, OR back to the Bay Area yesterday, in an attempt to keep from getting drowsy, I tried emulating Bob Dylan’s intonations while singing Rolling Stones songs. It kinda sounded like a mix of Katherine Hepburn and Ferris Bueller’s buddy Cameron when he calls the principal on the phone pretending to be Sloan’s dad. I was quite amused. :lol:
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Postby Vern » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:05 am

Thanks. I now can't stop singing "Miss You" inna-Dylan-stylie-ting...

Try it...

"I've been walking Central Park, singing after dark, people think I'm craaaaaaazzzzzy...." :shock:
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Postby bad hammy » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:24 pm

Vern wrote:Thanks. I now can't stop singing "Miss You" inna-Dylan-stylie-ting...

Try it...

"I've been walking Central Park, singing after dark, people think I'm craaaaaaazzzzzy...." :shock:

I was working on the Hot Rocks greatist hits CD. Try Satisfaction on for size . . .
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Postby kuha » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:02 pm

[quote="Vern"]Mojo,
China can ill afford another doping scandal - one must just hope this is an isolated case, and that they can move on. quote]

Not to be TOO cynical, but I can just hope for world peace, global rationality, and truth and justice forever. So we can move on...
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Sun Fails a doping test

Postby Olegi2 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:04 pm

http.://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/comment/0.10083.1600038.00.html

Steve Cram's take on this without mentioning Paula's head.
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