Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.


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Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby oldvaulter » Wed May 14, 2003 8:57 pm

I'm voting "yes". Of course he'll need a smart race plan, and some good luck in how the race unfolds. But I assume he'll be going for it, and I think he's got it in him.
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Wed May 14, 2003 9:29 pm

I've got a better one: will Magness beat McGrath? The history of high school athletes (forgive me if this sounds like Entineish pseudo-science) suggests to me that when you're talking 880/mile the kids from the sunshine state have an inherent advantage of several/many seconds and that when matched head to head with those from rainier climes they frequently come out on the short end.

On the other hand, Mr. Magness has posted here, so I want him to win, be it 3:55, 4:05 or 4:15.
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Wed May 14, 2003 9:51 pm

Yes, he'll break the 'magic barrier'.

I also think he'll beat McGrath. Not that I care either way, but if nothing else, he has more races at the distance under his belt, I believe. Now, if this were an 800 ...
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 4:57 am

I vote yes...

who's gonna be the rabbit?
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 7:33 am

Yes as to sub 4. No way to tell on the other. Just too difficult to compare the accomplishments and the conditions. Being from Houston, I have much more info on Magness and I hope he does it. No matter how the race unfolds, it will be really fast compared to a prep race and both should get pulled to a great race. McGrath will be the home town favorite and have home track advantage, but that and fifty cents might get you a coke.

Best of luck to both of them. It has been a great year to follow track.
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 1:04 pm

Re: rabbits. Pacemakers are Simon Kimata (1:46 800) and David Kiptoo (one of the best in the business). Pace will depend on what the boys up front want, but I would anticipate a 1:53-ish 800. I doubt anyone is in shape to break 3:50 at this point in the season. As for breaking 4-minutes, since Steve appears to have survived his prom hijinks, and if he can stay healthy over the next week, I think he will do it. McGrath has his District meet two days before Pre, so not so sure there. One guy who has followed him closely (I haven't) likened his running style to Seb Coe's. Good company to be in.

Here's the startlist (posted for the first time anywhere on the T&FN message board--keep subscribing!):

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Bernard Lagat (Kenya)
Cornelius Chirchir (Kenya)
David Kiptoo (Kenya)--pace
Hudson deSouza (Brazil)
Ibrahim Aden
Abdelkader Hachlaf (Morocco)
Noah Ngeny (Kenya)
Jason Lunn
Laban Rotich (Kenya)
Michael Stember
Kevin Sullivan (Canada)
Steve Magness
Mike McGrath
Seneca Lassiter
Yousef Abdi (Australia)
Graham Hood (Canada)
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 1:10 pm

thanks for the news TJ...

if Magness can hang with these guys, they should pull him along...
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby gh » Thu May 15, 2003 1:41 pm

The secret--as both Gabe Jennings (dang--he shows up all kinds of threads!) and Don Sage found out in their races in loaded Pre fields as preps--is finding the right guy(s) to hang with. Luck certainly enters into it.

The two preps obviously can't go with the leaders, and if they decide pre-race that Runner X is the kind of guy who will run the right pace they runs the risk of having X having a bad day (or, an exceedingly good one) and being way too fast or way too slow.

As I recall, Webb was perfectly positioned (by design or accident?) to have Berryhill to chase down on the backstretch, giving him life at a time when he must have been starting to really hurt.

But what the heck do I know about miling? I'm a triple jumper!
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Jefferson Buffalo » Thu May 15, 2003 1:54 pm

>But what the heck do I know about miling? I'm a triple jumper!<

Still? Ooooh, this I gotta see.
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby gh » Thu May 15, 2003 1:58 pm

Well, I always said I'd quit considering myself as a triple jumper the day I couldn't beat Bob Beamon.

That I can't TJ 29-feet that is!
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby sl » Thu May 15, 2003 5:05 pm

>One guy who has followed him
>closely (I haven't) likened his running style to
>Seb Coe's. Good company to be in.

I heard this comparison about McGrath too... from Alberto Salazar, who did some running himself back in Coe's day.
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 6:54 pm

magness is crazy of course he will do it....thats all i have to say..
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby BBCAC Alum » Fri May 16, 2003 1:06 am

I think both are capable of breaking 4:00 if they run smart and don't get caught up in the early pace. However if McGrath is anywhere close he will kick Magness down. Come on 1:48+ in the wind and rain against little competition!
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Re: Will Magness break 4:00 at Pre? Cast your vote.

Postby MJD » Fri May 16, 2003 4:51 am

An interesting bit of trivia just hit me. If both of those guys do it, Sully will have run in races with 4 sub 4 high-schoolers. His own obviously(and I know I know-we go an extra year), Webb and these 2. It would be interesting to see what overlap there was in the fields between Webb's 2 sub fours and this race.
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