The greatest thoroughbred racehorse of all time. His Derby record of 1:59 2/5 still stands and only one other horse has broken 2:00 (Monarchos in 2001.) From a website I found: "A lesser-known but perhaps more awesome accomplishment of his took place in that year's Derby. On his way to a still-standing record time in that race (1:59 2/5), he achieved the unheard-of feat of running each quarter-mile segment fractionally faster than the one before it. The successive quarter-mile times were: 25 1/5, 24, 23 4/5, 23 2/5 and 23." His Belmont record still stands and his 31 length victory there probably has no rival in the history of thoroughbred racing.
The Byerly Turk (1680-1696)
Captured from the Turks in Hungary, he was brought to England by Colonel Robert Byerley. Due to a printer's error, the horse's name was registered in the General Stud Book without the final "e."
Thr Godolphin Arabian (1724-1753)
Given by the Bey of Tunis to the King of France, he was purchased by Edward Coke and subsequently presented to the Earl of Godolphin, at whose stud he sired the champion mare Aelima, imported to Maryland in 1750.
The Darley Arabian (1700-1733)
Thomas Darley sent this Arabian stallion from Syria to England. Ninety percent of all Thoroughbreds today are descended through his son Flying Childers and his great-great grandson Eclipse.
but the mares dont have to descend from these three, so there can be differences i spose, not alot i agree
I'am a fan of the underdog how would Seabiscuit
have done against Secretariat? Remember this was the horse that people felt didn't have a
fighting chance against War Admiral but
on 11-1-38 he made them all eat their words.
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Last summer I had the privilege of touring part of Claiborne Farm, outside Lexington, KY. Secretariat is buried there. Usually horses are buried head, heart, and hooves. Secretariat, and I believe one other of Claiborne's greats, was buried whole, so great was his career. Check out the list of horses buried in their cemetery. Some were known best for their races, others for producing great racing offspring.
Ambiorix (c. 1946-1975)
Blenheim II (c. 1927-1958)
Bold Ruler (c. 1954-1971)
Buckpasser (c. 1963-1978)
Court Martial (c. 1942-1966)
Double Jay (c. 1944-1972)
Gallant Fox (c. 1927-1954)
Herbager (c. 1956-1976)
Hoist The Flag (c. 1968-1980)
Johnstown (c. 1936-1950)
Mr. Prospector (c. 1970-1999)
Nasrullah (c. 1940-1959)
Nijinsky II (c. 1967-1992)
Princequillo (c. 1940-1964)
Reviewer (c. 1966-1977)
Riva Ridge (c. 1969-1985)
Round Table (c. 1954-1987)
Secretariat (c. 1970-1989)
Sir Gallahad III (c. 1920-1949; marker only, grave is at Marchmont division)
Swale (c. 1981-1984).
Two living Derby winners are at stud there, Monarchos and Go For Gin. They brought Monarchos out of his stall. I started looking around for the weight room after running my hand along his neck and shoulder. Muscles like Arnold might have had during maximal training/juicing. Unbelievable. The stalls all had one or more gold plates on the door, with the names of the current and past residents of that particular stall. The first one is empty, plexiglass over the open upper part of the door. The names on that door were four, two greats that I don't recall just now, but also Bold Ruler and Secretariat. The stallion manager said somewhat whistfully, "Well, we hope...someday....to have another horse worthy of that stall."
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Many years ago, I read an article that convinced me that race horses knew that they were in a race and that they strived to finish first over a particular distance. Assuming that my first opinion would have been that it was 50/50 horse and jockey, afterwards I would have put it 80/20.
Is there support for my belief?
BTW, what better proof could there be for the benefits of negative splits!
if a good horse has a bad stupid idiotic pathetic moron of a jockey that races it badly and stops it running its natural race, it will usually not win. a good jockey will know a horse and know what its doing, not try and control it to do what they want to do.
>One of the greatest horses of all time was Sham. The problem was he chose the
>same year as Secretariat to race.
Sham finished 2nd to Secretariat in the Derby and Preakness. In the Belmont, he tried to run with Secretariat and held on til the middle of the back stretch. He gave out from the effort, finished last, and never raced again.
Sham finished 2nd to Secretariat in
>the Derby and Preakness. In the Belmont, he tried to run with Secretariat and
>held on til the middle of the back stretch. He gave out from the effort,
>finished last, and never raced again.
In many years, Sham would have been a triple crown contender. Secretariet reduced a horse of that magnitude to jogging in! Amazing.
In the sixteen months between June 1919 and October 1920, Man o' War rewrote the record books. His victories included the Keene Memorial Stakes, Youthful Stakes, Hudson Stakes, Tremont Stakes, United States Hotel Stakes, Grand Union Hotel Stakes, Hopeful Stakes, Belmont Futurity, Preakness Stakes, Withers Stakes, Belmont Stakes, Stuyvesant Handicap, Dwyer Stakes, Miller Stakes, Travers Stakes, Lawrence Realization Stakes, Jockey Club (now the Gold Cup) Stakes, Potomac Handicap and Kenilworth Park Gold Cup.
He was odds-on in all 21 of his races -- three times being quoted by bookmakers at 1-100. He won the Belmont Stakes by 20 lengths and the Lawrence Realization by 100 lengths. He beat the best horses of his time, including John P. Grier and Triple Crown winner Sir Barton.
Man o' War's time records included:
New World Record, Dwyer Stakes, 1 1/8 miles
New World Record, Belmont Stakes, 1 3/8 miles
New World Record, Lawrence Realization, 1 5/8 miles
New American Record, Jockey Club Stakes, 1 1/2 miles
New American Record, Withers Stakes, 1 mile
New Track Record, Kenilworth Park Gold Cup, 1 1/4 miles
New Track Record, Potomac Handicap, 1 1/16 miles
Equaled Track Record, Travers Stakes, 1 1/4 miles
Listening to a talk show today and a host who basically is all Bills all the time asked a horse type reporter to put the Derby upset on the week-end into some kind of perspective he could relate to. What would be the track(or field) comparison?