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Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 2:18 pm

History's Best Doublers. In my opinion, with many left blank:

100/200 1. Lewis 2. Owens 3. Borzov 4. Morrow

200/400 1. MJ 2. Tommie Smith

400/800 1. Juantorena 2. Harbig

800/1500 1. Coe 2. Snell 3. Ryun 4. Ovett

1500/3000 1. Aouita 2. Morceli 3. Herb Elliott (theoretical, in Elliott's case, but he was that kind of runner.) 4. Keino

3000/5000

5000/10000

10000/marathon

110H/400H

Shot/Discus

LJ/TJ

Other:

100/110H 1. Harrison Dillard!

400/400H
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby trackstar » Thu May 01, 2003 3:41 pm

Well, obviously, Geb 5/10.

And of course the great tripler: Zatopek, 5/10/marathon
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby oldvaulter » Thu May 01, 2003 3:51 pm

To fill in a few of your blanks:

10000/marathon: Zatopek; Radcliffe

Shot/Discus: Godina's pretty good

LJ/TJ: Mike Conley

100/110H 1. Harrison Dillard! good call!
also: Gail Devers (100/100h)

400/400H: Glenn Davis

High jump/pole vault: Rick Sloan; Donovan Kilmartin (HS), but this is veering down the decathlon route, not really a classic double. For "odd" doubles, it would probably be mostly the decathletes. What's the weirdest double you can imagine? Marathon/shot put?
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby hammer forever » Thu May 01, 2003 3:59 pm

hat's the weirdest double you can imagine? Marathon/shot put?
50k walk/hammer throw
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby hammer forever » Thu May 01, 2003 4:02 pm

Is the "all around championship" still being contested?
In the seventies it was 10 events in 1 day....
included 1500m racewalk, 16 lb. hammer throw, then some ordinary events. Usually hosted in Maine in August or so.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 4:09 pm

How about TJ/HJ?

Olsson 17.64m & 2.22m (I think)
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 4:50 pm

How about the NC girl Donohue? Didn't she go mile/javelin at the hs outdoor nationals. Or Gail Olsen approx. 7'7" off one leg, blew out a knee and came back with a 7'3 or 7'4" off the other leg.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 4:55 pm

Great question Rich.
How about 800/5000, Said Aouita.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 5:01 pm

THE ONLY TRUE GREAT DOUBLE.THE DOUBLE-DOUBLE!!! VIREN 5000/10000 '72 AND '76
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby JRM » Thu May 01, 2003 5:29 pm

100/200m: Ato Boldon and Frank Fredericks!

How could you leave these two off the list? Both have great distinction: Fredericks has the fastest all-time double (9.86,19.68), and Boldon has the fastest one-day double (9.90/19.77). He has also marked the most one-day sub-10/sub-20 doubles in history (at last count, I believe it was 7).
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 5:31 pm

Aouita is a good one. How about Geb in the 5k and marathon? Not too shabby.

Rod dixon, 3:33.9 1500, and I belive around 2:09 in the marathon. Not bad for a "big guy".
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Thu May 01, 2003 9:00 pm

Great argument for Boldon and Fredericks. Still, they never dominated their competition as did Lewis and Owens or even Borzov and Morrow. These four guys had double Olympic golds.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby tracknut » Thu May 01, 2003 9:59 pm

Ato Boldon one day double 9.90, 19.77

and how about 6'2" and 2:19 by a high schooler

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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Jim Rorick » Thu May 01, 2003 10:09 pm

I saw a high school dual meet in 1973 where Lonnie Shelton (Foothill, Bakersfield CA - later Oregon State BB & Supersonics of NBA) went 47-9 in triple, 63-4 in shot, and 185 + change in the discus (plus 9.9y and 14.2y). He woulda/coulda been a great one in decathlon. Actually, basketball was probably his 3rd best sport in HS.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Fri May 02, 2003 5:11 am

For the shot and discus, Sen Plucknets 233-7 (then a WR), 67-7 from 1981 still ranks as the best one day double
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Fri May 02, 2003 6:04 am

Parry O'Brien did very well in the Discus, I believe he was world-ranked a few times in the 50's.

As an aside.... I heard once that Parry O'Brien finished third in the 100 yard dash in the California State High School meet ! Is this true ? Anybody know ?

Finally, Randy Matson threw over 200' .
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby gh » Fri May 02, 2003 6:21 am

O'Brien well before my time, but don't recall any sprint stories about him.

He was only 3rd in the shot as a Santa Monica High senior in 1949 (55-2 3/4).

100 results:
Erbie Schopper 9.9
Larry Williams c10.1
Russ Miller c10.1
Gary Green c10.1
Ronnie Packard c10.2
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby gh » Fri May 02, 2003 6:26 am

If you want a wild Cal State double, how about Woodrow Strode (Jefferson, LA) in 1933, finishing 2nd in the shot and 3rd in the (really!) 220 low hurdles. (DT was discontinued 1933-48, or he may have scored there too, I suspect)

Yep, that's the Woody Strode whom you might remember as the Ethiopian gladiator in "Spartacus" or as "Sargeant Rutledge" or as the bow & arrow guy in "The Professionals." Taciturn, but fine actor, body on loan from god.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Strode,+Woody
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Fri May 02, 2003 6:59 am

Ok, one more interesting double story/question, again the shot and the 100:

Billy Cannon, great HB for LSU back in the 50's was also a VERY good sprinter, I think he won the SEC 100. But he also either won the SP or came close ? Any SEC experts out there ?
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby trackstar » Fri May 02, 2003 9:58 am

Now here is an unusual double: the shot and tennis:

http://www.gosanangelo.com/sast/sp_hs_c ... 19,00.html
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Arnie » Fri May 02, 2003 10:15 am

Don't think Tommie Smith ran enough 400 to be ranked #2
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Fri May 02, 2003 10:25 am

Hey Tracknut Sharon!
Do you know who's competing in the Steve Scott meet tomorrow at UCI? Deciding whether to come down from LA in the probable rain! email is: nmarknaylor@cs.com. Thanks!
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Jefferson Buffalo » Fri May 02, 2003 11:02 am

>Deciding whether to come down from LA in the probable rain<

Yeah, go for it. Then you could go to Disneyland. Great Double!
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Fri May 02, 2003 3:09 pm

Into the 400/800 camp I nominate Blazin' Ben Eastman, the early 1930s Stanford runner who died this year. 46.4y and 1:49+.

Anybody who ever ran on Stanford's Angell Field, when it was dirt and shaped like wiener, has to be astonished that Angell is where Eastman lowered the 440 yard dash record by one full second.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Fri May 02, 2003 4:04 pm

As far a range goes for a runner, how about Francie Larrieu?

800m: 2:00.22
1500m: 4:05.09
mile: 4:27.52
3000m: 8:50.54
5000m: 15:15.2
10000m: 31:28.92
marathon: 2:27.35

not too shabby!
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby joel » Sun May 04, 2003 8:00 pm

Maybe there have been too many rabbits for El G to get love on this thread.
15/3k 3:26/7:23 #1/#2
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Tue May 06, 2003 6:47 pm

Actually, Gail jumped 7-5 as a senior in HS, best of 7-3 in college (University of llinois). Then he DID blow out his right (jumping) knee, and learned to jump off th left leg. He then becae the only person tojump 7-0 off each leg, achieving, I think, 7-1 off his left leg.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Tue May 06, 2003 8:37 pm

I believe Werner Gunthor had a great HJ/SP double. Somebody check on this...6'7/74'7 ??
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Wed May 07, 2003 1:39 pm

Thanks for mentioning Eastman. I witnessed both his world records in 1932. But I'd probably have to rank Mal Whitfield ahead of him as a 4440/880 doubler.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Wed May 07, 2003 1:44 pm

I still want someone to tell me about Billy Cannon ( All American HB ) and his 100/SP exploits in the SEC meet back about 1960. I think he won both !
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Wed May 07, 2003 2:20 pm

Thanks for the exact numbers David. I also seem to recall that Gail took an unusaully high number of jumps when he set the high school indoor record. Something like 3 attempts at 6'4", 3 at 6'6", and many more misses on the way to a 7'5" clearance. Can you shed some specifics on this? Thanks.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Wed May 07, 2003 4:53 pm

And Wint.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Guest » Wed May 07, 2003 5:27 pm

What about?
Maria Mutola 800/1500
John Walker 1.44 800m/3.32 1500m/7.37 3k
Marion Jones 100/200
Ron Clarke 5k/10k
Murray Halberg Mile/5k/10k

Unusal Double: national rep/rec holder in trip jump and weight lifting.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby gh » Wed May 07, 2003 8:53 pm

>I still want someone to tell me about Billy
>Cannon ( All American HB ) and his 100/SP
>exploits in the SEC meet back about 1960. I
>think he won both !>>

>I still want someone to tell me about Billy
>Cannon ( All American HB ) and his 100/SP
>exploits in the SEC meet back about 1960. I
>think he won both !>>

Cannon won the '59 Heisman as LSU senior; in the '60 SEC meet he wasn't in first 5 in either event.

In '69, wasn't in first 2 in the 100, was 3rd in the shot.

Don't have results of his soph-year SEC at hand.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby Per Andersen » Wed May 07, 2003 10:22 pm

Irina Privalova: Sprints-400h-Speedskating.
Janis Lusis : Javelin - Decathlon.
Joaquim Cruz: 800 - 1500 (As good as Seb in the 800 in my book)
Steve Cram 800 - 1500
Herb McKenley 100-200-400
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Thu May 08, 2003 6:04 am

Regarding Billy Cannon, as usual thanks Gary. I now remember there is a picture of him in the blocks in an old T&FN, so he must have been half decent. If I get energetic I'll do some issue by issue research tonight.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Thu May 08, 2003 6:05 am

and as to the '60 SEC, I am sure he had signed a pro football contract so did not compete that spring.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby gh » Thu May 08, 2003 6:49 am

Cannon ran 9.5/9.4w and threw the shot 54-4 1/2.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Thu May 08, 2003 7:29 am

Garry, you are amazing, and so was Cannon ! Thank you.
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Re: Great Doublers

Postby billthedog » Thu May 08, 2003 9:18 am

>Janis Lusis : Javelin
>- Decathlon.
Bob Richards: Pole vault, decathlon
Rafer Johnson: broad jump (1960 Olympic team member)(and a million other events), decathlon
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