Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!


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Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:46 am

There is another Palin thread, started in 2009, on this forum.
However, in scanning the comments, I found NOT EVEN ONE that came anywhere NEAR the TRUTH!!
So to help educate you to the TRUTH about Sarah Palin, I here present some FACTS!!

1. Born Sarah Heath on February 11, 1964, daughter of Sally and Chuck, married Todd Palin on August 29, 1988, has 5 children (Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig), 2 grandkids (Tripp and Kyla).
2. Her political career: City Council of Wasilla, 2 terms, 1992-1996); Mayor of Wasilla (and Manager of Borough of Matanuska-Susitna), 2 terms, 1996-2002; Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, its Chair from Feb 2003 to Jan 2004; Governor of Alaska, December 2006 to July 2009; Republican VP Candidate, 2008.
3. Star basketball player, Wasilla Warriors, they won State Championship, 1982;also avid runner (1:46:10 half-mar age 47, 3:59:36 mar age 41), hunter, commercial fisherman, snowmachiner.
4. TV series (Sarah Palin's Alaska) has 9 episodes (2010-2011); doc. movie (The Undefeated) by Steve Bannon; was Fox analyst/commentator from 2010, just rehired. SPA and The Undefeated are both available on DVD from Amazon.

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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby dustoff » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:54 am

aaronk wrote:There is another Palin thread, started in 2009, on this forum.
However, in scanning the comments, I found NOT EVEN ONE that came anywhere NEAR the TRUTH!!
So to help educate you to the TRUTH about Sarah Palin, I here present some FACTS!!

1. Born Sarah Heath on February 11, 1964, daughter of Sally and Chuck, married Todd Palin on August 29, 1988, has 5 children (Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig), 2 grandkids (Tripp and Kyla).
2. Her political career: City Council of Wasilla, 2 terms, 1992-1996); Mayor of Wasilla (and Manager of Borough of Matanuska-Susitna), 2 terms, 1996-2002; Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, its Chair from Feb 2003 to Jan 2004; Governor of Alaska, December 2006, July 2009; Republican VP Candidate, 2008.
3. Star basketball player, Wasilla Warriors, they won State Championship, 1982;also avid runner (1:46:10 half-mar age 47, 3:59:36 mar age 41), hunter, commercial fisherman, snowmachiner.
4. TV series (Sarah Palin's Alaska) has 9 episodes (2010-2011); doc. movie (The Undefeated) by Steve Bannon; was Fox analyst/commentator from 2010, just rehired.

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Her IQ is roughly equivalent to her waist size in cm.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:58 am

Here's why you shouldn't believe everything you read, see, or hear about Sarah Palin.

1. She quit the Governorship?
Absolutely did NOT!! She resigned! Why? While it's explained in DETAIL in her 3,000,000 selling memoir, "Going Rogue" (chapter 5), here in brief is what happened. Because she was more popular than John McCain, and seen as a powerful force for conservatives, and a danger to the Washington bureaucracy, she was unremittingly attacked by Obama and his people from Day One. Part of that attack came in the guise of lawsuits filed by all comers re alleged ethics violations. In all, there were about 27 of these filed. Each one cost the State of Alaska (who are required to defend their Governor) and Governor Palin thousands of dollars to defend....and defeat. EVERY ONE of them were either defeated, or thrown out of court!! They were frivolous and inane, and were politically motivated by Obama's forces, several of whom had Alaskan ties!! By spring of 2009, it had come to a point where the Governor and her staff, the State of Alaska, and every agency of the state government were so inundated by the lawsuits that the entire government came almost to a standstill!! Governor Palin saw that SHE was the main target, so regretfully, she resigned her job in order to take away the target of the lawsuits. She and Todd, who were not rich by any means, were left with a personal bill of $600,000!!!

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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby dustoff » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:04 am

Aaron, stop. She is an idiot, a fraud, and a charlatan. Just stop. There is no respectability in that woman other than the fact that she is attractive for her age.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:16 am

She's an idiot, and lacks the experience to be President.
NO!!
In fact, the complete and total opposite!
Some facts:

1. She's a graduate of the University of Idaho in Communications (Journalism) and Political Science, 1987.
2. Her parents and siblings and friends have ALL said she was an avid reader of books, magazines, and newspapers from a very young age.
3. She's written TWO best-selling books, "Going Rogue" and "America By Heart". She's written 100's of Facebook Notes (basically op-eds) on all kinds of issues, international and domestic. She's Tweeted 100's of times on all kinds of issues. She's written many op-eds published in papers and magazines like the WSJ, WaPo, NYT, Newsweek, and several conservative journals. There is some doubt SHE was the writer of these!! Believe whatever you want, she WAS (and IS) the writer, PERIOD!!
4. Her astute (and always funny, sassy, and controversial) comments on Fox News, and in her FB Notes, etc have been VERIFIED over and over again as FACT and TRUTH!! This has been PROVEN!!!
5. She has spoken out on EVERY issue in the news (or NOT in the news!!)....and time and time again has been proven as AHEAD of everyone else in knowing and understanding the reality of a given situation! (Quantitative Easing, North Korea, Egypt, Obamacare, and on and on and on!!!)
6. ALL of the SNL images of her are FALSE!!! She never said "You can see Russia from my house!" She said "You can see Russia from land here in Alaska!" TRUTH!!! Check the facts about Big Diamedes and Little Diamedes Islands!!! One is Russian, the other Alaskan (USA), and are less than 3 miles apart.
7. She KNOWS the difference between North and South Korea, and that Africa is a continent, etc etc. All those accusations she was ignorant of these facts are FALSE!!!!!
8. The movie "Game Change", starring Julianne Moore as Palin, was based on one chapter of the book of the same name. ALL of the "facts" in that book are LIES!! Want the truth about the 2008 campaign?? Read "Going Rogue"!!! Or watch the movie "The Undefeated"!!

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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:23 am

As for her experience, see my initial post, # 2.
When selected by McCain in 2008, she had (then!!) EIGHT YEARS EIGHT MONTHS of EXECUTIVE experience, as Mayor, Commissioner, and Governor!
At that same time (August 29, 2008), Senator Obama, Senator McCain, and Senator Biden had a COMBINED total of ZERO DAYS (hours, minutes, seconds) of EXECUTIVE experience!!
Not even one day!!!
Tell me, how could people say (then) she "lacked experience"??

And you know what??
Even adding together the executive experience Obama and Biden have gathered as President and Vice President (Though, in reality, a VP isn't an executive!!), Palin STILL has more executive experience than BOTH of them combined!!!
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:28 am

Finally.......or at least until after I watch the Lausanne DL.......let me give you two excellent sources for further statements of TRUTH about Governor Palin.

1. Conservatives 4 Palin (C4P) website. This is by far the strongest, and most factual, defender of the Governor. They deal in FACTS.....backed up by VERIFIED truths....with many links to various sources of these facts.
2. Her Facebook page. This is where you'll find ALL of her 100's of FB Notes, photos, and links! (Although all of them find their way to the C4P site immediately upon publication!!)

Now, on to Lausanne!!
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby dustoff » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:35 am

When does Lausanne start?
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:37 am

You know you're in trouble as an apologist when the Pro Facts read like Anti Facts.
She has no business being anything but a small-town Alaska mayor, looking out over her vast expanse of tundra, thinking she can see the whole world.
I admire her pluck, but she has become a meme for foolishness.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:49 am

Marlow wrote:You know you're in trouble as an apologist when the Pro Facts read like Anti Facts.
She has no business being anything but a small-town Alaska mayor, looking out over her vast expanse of tundra, thinking she can see the whole world.
I admire her pluck, but she has become a meme for foolishness.


What "foolishness"??
What "idiocy"?
What "lack of experience"?

Sorry, but I have watched all of the videos of her speeches, interviews, and analysis on Fox, read both of her books, all of her FB Notes, etc etc......and all I see is a witty, sometimes hilarious, extremely beautiful, sometimes "plain spoken" woman who has been burned at the stake by her enemies from Day One!

Why?

Because they FEAR her!!
Her speeches sell out....even in LIBERAL venues (Eugene!!!!! That speech SOLD OUT!!!!)......she has 3.6 million FB "friends", 100's of 1000's of Twitter followers, and in 2008, her crowds at rallies (as VP choice) were larger than McCain's!!

Even the Republican establishment is afraid of her!!
In fact, she is threatening to bolt the party....if they continue to act as Obama-lites!!!

Thus the attacks on her and her family!!
On TRIG.....a DOWN SYNDROME child?????????

After you've STUDIED her as much as I have......reading her two books, FB Notes, etc etc......THEN tell me she's "foolish"!!!

I can understand disagreeing with her political beliefs/philosophy.....but to attack her intelligence is a whole other matter!!
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:53 am

How is this, Aaron?

Sarah Palin
"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant - they are quite clear - that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments?"

John Adams
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on Christian religion."

Would you agree that John Adams was one of the founders and one of the authors of the founding documents?
Would you also agree that SP that you love so dearly is talking blatant nonsense?
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:58 am

Pego wrote:How is this, Aaron?

Sarah Palin
"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant - they are quite clear - that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments?"

John Adams
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on Christian religion."

Would you agree that John Adams was one of the founders and one of the authors of the founding documents?
Would you also agree that SP that you love so dearly is talking blatant nonsense?


"In God We Trust".

Enuf said!
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:06 am

aaronk wrote:Because they FEAR her!!

Yes, aaronk, we all FEAR her. That's a given.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:07 am

aaronk wrote:
Pego wrote:How is this, Aaron?

Sarah Palin
"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant - they are quite clear - that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments?"

John Adams
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on Christian religion."

Would you agree that John Adams was one of the founders and one of the authors of the founding documents?
Would you also agree that SP that you love so dearly is talking blatant nonsense?


"In God We Trust".

Enuf said!


Fine, let us establish a biblical law. A few examples.

1. Aaronk's house goes on fire on the Sabbath. No firemen available, no ambulances, no hospital staff, because nobody is allowed to work on Sabbath.

2. Aaronk's son and daughter speak to him disrespectfully, making fun of his love for Mary Cain. Aaronk has no other option but ta take them to the city limits and leads the mob to stone them to death.

3. Aaronk has a cheeseburger for lunch, his wife shrimps, his kids pork chops. They are all thrown in prison.

I could continue, you know...
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:25 am

Pego wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Pego wrote:How is this, Aaron?

Sarah Palin
"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant - they are quite clear - that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments?"

John Adams
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on Christian religion."

Would you agree that John Adams was one of the founders and one of the authors of the founding documents?
Would you also agree that SP that you love so dearly is talking blatant nonsense?


"In God We Trust".

Enuf said!


Fine, let us establish a biblical law. A few examples.

1. Aaronk's house goes on fire on the Sabbath. No firemen available, no ambulances, no hospital staff, because nobody is allowed to work on Sabbath.

2. Aaronk's son and daughter speak to him disrespectfully, making fun of his love for Mary Cain. Aaronk has no other option but ta take them to the city limits and leads the mob to stone them to death.

3. Aaronk has a cheeseburger for lunch, his wife shrimps, his kids pork chops. They are all thrown in prison.

I could continue, you know...


I thought this was about Sarah Palin, not me or you or anyone else.

Sarah is a devout Christian, and has spoken out (in speeches, interviews, etc) about her beliefs. Listen to her!!
I was born Jewish, but gave up my beliefs in Judaism long ago.
I've read a lot of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. (Helped my ex-lady friend study for her Bible Study classes!)
Sorry, but while the Bible has some excellent philosophy and wisdom, and some excellent writing (Psalms, Song of Solomon), it is, basically, similar to Norton's English Anthologies......wherein you find some GREAT writings, some MEDIOCRE writings.....and many things to either like....or not!!
Same with the Bible!
If you're devout, you probably take the Bible literally!
If you're not, you see it as I do....or along the same lines.

But God, whatever that entity is....or isn't....is a PERSONAL connection to one's inner being!!
To question....or criticize......Sarah Palin's (or anyone's!!!) belief system.......is absurd and impossible!!
As in the statement that "a million people look at one tree, and see a million different trees"!!
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:36 am

Our discourse has nothing to do with any wisdom found in the bible, nor yours or Sarah's religion. Let me repeat.

Sarah Palin said that this country should go to a biblical law. I said it was nonsense and elaborated by a few examples why it is nonsense. You started to obfuscate, so I'll ask you straight.

Is Sarah's statement nonsense or not? If not, why not?
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:03 am

Pego wrote:How is this, Aaron?

Sarah Palin
"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant - they are quite clear - that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the Ten Commandments?"

John Adams
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on Christian religion."

Would you agree that John Adams was one of the founders and one of the authors of the founding documents?
Would you also agree that SP that you love so dearly is talking blatant nonsense?


I believe you are misinterpreting both.

How about some additional quotes of John Adams?

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence."

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

or

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

or how about Thomas Jefferson?

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:23 am

odelltrclan wrote:I believe you are misinterpreting both.


Am I? I read these additional quotes. They praise ethical principles found in the bible and implore fear of God's judgement (posthumously). I see nothing about the biblical law, nothing about the legal code structured around the Decalogue. Why? Because it would be nonsense, as any thinking person would agree. Look at my examples above.

Where did I misinterpret Sarah Palin's statement? It seems pretty straight forward.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Tuariki » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:44 am

OMG. Is Sarah Palin Mary Cain's mother?
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:48 am

aaronk wrote:Sarah is a devout Christian.
I was born Jewish, but gave up my beliefs in Judaism long ago.

You do know that Jesus was a devout Jew, right?
I really think that if Jesus could see what we turned his brand of Judiasm into, a personality cult, He would not approve, but that's just me.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby jhc68 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:21 am

Sarah is an on-going reality TV show. She was born to crave celebrity status and she is pretty good at it.
Winning in 2008 would have been her worst nightmare and she would have quit that job, too... and there is no difference between the words quit and resign. Being a Fox commentator is exactly what she wants to do, nothing more or less.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:42 am

Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:I believe you are misinterpreting both.


Am I? I read these additional quotes. They praise ethical principles found in the bible and implore fear of God's judgement (posthumously). I see nothing about the biblical law, nothing about the legal code structured around the Decalogue. Why? Because it would be nonsense, as any thinking person would agree. Look at my examples above.

Where did I misinterpret Sarah Palin's statement? It seems pretty straight forward.


You read problems in her quote and read more into his quote than I do. I think it comes from where our perspectives are. Misinterpretation is rife when taking one statement and not looking at the totality of all of their writings, quotes and intent.

Her statement was that our law should be based upon moral principles. The foundation and laws of this country were based upon such a moral code. She was not trying to state that we need a theocratic government. Adams was trying to clarify this country was not a theocratic nation, nor one religion. It provided liberty (and the right for religious belief or non-belief) to all. But those principles, if you read all his writings, came from that same moral code Palin refers to.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:14 am

If you are trying to cite biblical laws as a basis for modern morality and ethics, then, yes, you do need to take it in the context of how these laws were given and the punishments prescribed. You can't just cherry-pick the ideas you want as justification for a morality you wish to espouse.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Flumpy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:47 am

I can't believe we're still discussing this ridiculous woman.

My policy from now on is the same as The Daily Show's.

Let's just ignore and and hopefully she'll go away.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Helen S » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:40 am

Mr. aaronk, you disappoint me. I cannot ever look at your Cain worship in the same way ever again.

And generally when someone says they have the "TRUTH" I feel it leaves their statements open to question.

Yes, this post is about you.

I do miss the Daily Show commenting on Ms. Palin- it was always good for a laugh. But at least she continues to pop up in the media periodically to increase the mirth quotient.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:46 pm

odelltrclan wrote:Her statement was that our law should be based upon moral principles.


On that we would agree , only if we spelled out which ones. My problem is which moral principles is SP talking about. She said Ten Commandments. That includes prohibition of work on the Sabbath (everybody would be in violation), prohibition of swearing (a lot of people would be in violation), prohibition of any other gods except the G-d of Israel (there goes separation of Church and State), any sex outside of marriage, including before and after (raise your hand all of you that did comply), prohibition of envy (OMG!!!), prohibition of lust (I guess that picture of Brianna to your right would send T&FN's editorial board up the creek). Our laws already prohibit killing, stealing and lying.

The problem with people like SP is that they throw out provocative one-liners such as this one and her apologists will try to "explain" to the likes of me what she meant, when I accept at face value what she actually said.

I know at least some of which "moral principles" she means. Abortion is one of them and it is not even mentioned anywhere in the Bible, even though commonly practiced in those days. She sure is not talking about the care of the poor, which is prominently mentioned.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby lonewolf » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:56 pm

Thank you, aaronk. It is reassuring to know that there are at least two of us who share a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Daisy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:14 pm

aaronk wrote:"In God We Trust".

Enuf said!

Didn't this emphasis come into being in the 20th century? If so, then it has nothing to do with your founders
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby MJR » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:27 pm

Daisy wrote:
aaronk wrote:"In God We Trust".

Enuf said!

Didn't this emphasis come into being in the 20th century? If so, then it has nothing to do with your founders


"under god" added to pledge of allegiance in 1954

"in god we trust" added to money in 1956

both were done as a "defense" against the godless scourge of cold war communism in the mccarthy era. they have nothing to do with the founding fathers.

its a shame that the basic tea party follower is factually ignorant and wears that ignorance like a merit badge. they make crap up to defend whatever insanity some tv talking idiot foments into their accepting little minds.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:45 pm

Pego wrote:Abortion is one of them and it is not even mentioned anywhere in the Bible, even though commonly practiced in those days.


Oddly enough :wink: , some might argue that it is, or rather might or should be. I am sure many are familiar with the politicking that went into the decisions of what books were to be included or not included in the Bible.

The Book of Barnabas, (which many Biblical scholars believe to be authentic and written by the purported author, who traveled and preached with Paul), does discuss abortion. "Thou shalt no destroy they conceptions before they are brought forth; nor kill them after they are born." [Barnabas XIV:11] This was one of the books that was in and out of the writings that ultimately were politically decided upon as to what would be in our present Bibles.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:49 pm

lonewolf wrote:Thank you, aaronk. It is reassuring to know that there are at least two of us who share a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin.


I do as well, but, at the same time cringe sometimes when she speaks. She says lots of good things but every so often, rhetorically speaking, puts her foot in her mouth. Which politician doesn't. However, in our vulturistic society, people are waiting in the wings for those moments so they can feel good about themselves by demeaning another.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:06 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
Pego wrote:Abortion is one of them and it is not even mentioned anywhere in the Bible, even though commonly practiced in those days.


Oddly enough :wink: , some might argue that it is, or rather might or should be. I am sure many are familiar with the politicking that went into the decisions of what books were to be included or not included in the Bible.

The Book of Barnabas, (which many Biblical scholars believe to be authentic and written by the purported author, who traveled and preached with Paul), does discuss abortion. "Thou shalt no destroy they conceptions before they are brought forth; nor kill them after they are born." [Barnabas XIV:11] This was one of the books that was in and out of the writings that ultimately were politically decided upon as to what would be in our present Bibles.


Apocrypha plus other ancient books that were not included by the Church fathers is a fascinating subject. You realize, of course, that some of them directly contradict the accepted Canon :wink: .

Oh yes, I almost forgot. Barnabas also gave away all his property before he became Paul's missionary companion. That would be an anathema to SP's philosophy, would it not. This cherry-picking of the Bible and history in general is what drives me nuts. Yes, on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:25 pm

Pego wrote:Apocrypha plus other ancient books that were not included by the Church fathers is a fascinating subject. You realize, of course, that some of them directly contradict the accepted Canon :wink: .

Oh yes, I almost forgot. Barnabas also gave away all his property before he became Paul's missionary companion. That would be an anathema to SP's philosophy, would it not. This cherry-picking of the Bible and history in general is what drives me nuts. Yes, on both sides of the political spectrum.


Yes, I do realize Pego! There are hundreds of books, and I have read many of them. I happened to like Barnabas, and a few others, but not many. At one point it became a trend in early Christianity. If you wanted a practice or belief to be believed, write a book and claim it was from an Apostle or early church leader, so you have to take them with a grain of salt. Though by simply reading them it is easy to week out most.

As for SP and your take on her "giving" I think many have it wrong. She is not preaching the poor be damned. To some extent, it is the individual's and church's prerogative to do such work. Yes, of course there is an inherent problem with those who don't belong to an organized religion, or the many that don't do a whole lot for other than take their weekly collections. The government wants to take tax incentives away for giving to the poor, which causes people to give less, and thus they become more reliant on government. Many church welfare programs goals are of helping the poor become self sufficient so they can rely on themselves and not the government. Our society is becoming more dependent, not less dependent, and it is because the programs by government do not create the proper incentives for many to become self-sufficient.

Ironically, in my profession, I see and have seen the charitable giving habits of many hundreds of people. In my experience, conservatives and those on the "right" are far more generous with giving their money to the poor than liberals and progressives on the "left". I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.
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Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:38 pm

odelltrclan wrote:I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


Yes, I am one of those that are of the opinion that the state should provide a safety net for those that for some reason or another cannot provide for themselves. Alms may make the rich feel good about themselves, but they are far from sufficient to provide such a net.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby Blues » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:42 pm

odelltrclan wrote:Ironically, in my profession, I see and have seen the charitable giving habits of many hundreds of people. In my experience, conservatives and those on the "right" are far more generous with giving their money to the poor than liberals and progressives on the "left". I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


That paragraph made me curious. Do you see ALL the different charities and causes that both groups tend to give to? Or are you only involved with one? And is there a slight chance that one group, by nature of the pool it's made up of, has more money to be able to give or has more need for a tax write-off? And do your allegedly more philanthropic conservatives also donate more of their time to try to improve conditions for those who may be less fortunate, besides simply pulling out their checkbooks? Seems there's more to evaluating the giving nature of people (and their consideration for the wellbeing of others) than just how big a check they can write...
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:46 pm

Blues wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:Ironically, in my profession, I see and have seen the charitable giving habits of many hundreds of people. In my experience, conservatives and those on the "right" are far more generous with giving their money to the poor than liberals and progressives on the "left". I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


That paragraph made me curious. Do you see ALL the different charities and causes that both groups tend to give to? Or are you only involved with one? And is there a slight chance that one group, by nature of the pool it's made up of, has more money to be able to give or has more need for a tax write-off? And do your allegedly more philanthropic conservatives also donate more of their time to try to improve conditions for those who may be less fortunate, besides simply pulling out their checkbooks?


I see both the charities given to and the amounts given. I am a CPA and have prepared thousands of tax returns over nearly 25 years now. As a whole, when comparing them side by side, the conservative group gives more of their time and money to charitable causes.

I had one client, a college professor, who was a liberal and we discussed his views, which included his desire for the government to take better care of the poor. In 10 years or so he never gave one cent to any charity other than the United Way taking about $98 of payroll deductions which I think the University, or Union he belonged to required. That is more typical than atypical. Then I see those on the other side who give to any and every cause. Tons of money. It makes me feel bad at times and I give a hefty sum myself.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby cullman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:53 pm

Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


Yes, I am one of those that are of the opinion that the state should provide a safety net for those that for some reason or another cannot provide for themselves. Alms may make the rich feel good about themselves, but they are far from sufficient to provide such a net.

Personal duty, charity and "volunteerism" sound a lot like Herbert Hoover circa 1930. It doesn't pass the test where the rubber meets the road.
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:56 pm

cullman wrote:
Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


Yes, I am one of those that are of the opinion that the state should provide a safety net for those that for some reason or another cannot provide for themselves. Alms may make the rich feel good about themselves, but they are far from sufficient to provide such a net.

Personal duty, charity and "volunteerism" sound a lot like Herbert Hoover circa 1930. It doesn't pass the test where the rubber meets the road.


In whose world?
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:01 pm

This was FUN!!!
A FB friend of mine.....actually a "FRIEND".......read this entire thread (I told her about it! She's a strong supporter of Sarah too...and LOVES my writings about her!!)......and said she wants to copy it onto other FB group sites supporting Sarah!
I said for her to do so!

BTW, she sent a gift.......a book about Abe Lincoln......to Sarah a few years ago.
In the paperback edition of Sarah's book, "Going Rogue", which was published in the fall of 2010, about a year after the initial hardbound edition, on pages 411-412, Sarah makes mention of my friend's gift.....and quotes from the book!!

In fact, I was the one who discovered her being mentioned, and was the first person to tell her.
She was THRILLED!! :D

Now back to the "safe" world of Track and Field!!! :shock:
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Re: Sarah Louise Heath Palin--The TRUTH!

Postby cullman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:06 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
cullman wrote:
Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:I think one group believes they have a personal duty while the other believes it is the government's duty.


Yes, I am one of those that are of the opinion that the state should provide a safety net for those that for some reason or another cannot provide for themselves. Alms may make the rich feel good about themselves, but they are far from sufficient to provide such a net.

Personal duty, charity and "volunteerism" sound a lot like Herbert Hoover circa 1930. It doesn't pass the test where the rubber meets the road.


In whose world?

In the real world of economic down turns, bank failures, tight credit etc.
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