Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...


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Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby BillVol » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:40 am

Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:29 am

BillVol wrote:Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?

Ha! Mayhem to ensure . . .
By stereotype, Dems are progressives, liberals, people who embrace change.
By stereotype, Reps are conservatives, reactionaries, people who embrace the status quo (or even a return to 'simpler times' (sic) . . . remember how we treated all people back then? ).

Change is inevitable, therefore Dems are always in a position to accept that change and Reps are not. Track and field is constantly evolving; records are to be broken (Joe Dimaggio's 56-game hitting streak notwithstanding!) and T&F fans eagerly anticipate that, therefore they are Democrats. [Don't tell lonewolf, who really is a Dem, but insists he's a Rep. I know this because he's always right, therefore he must, by definition, be a Dem :twisted: ]
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Flumpy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:25 am

BillVol wrote:Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?


Because we obviously haave really good taste.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:30 am

If most T&F people are Dems....and if Dems are brilliant, astute, and creative, etc etc......then WTF isn't our sport number ONE in this country??
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Postby toyracer » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:26 am

BillVol wrote:Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?


Wouldn't it be better to ask the person that said it?
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Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:43 am

aaronk wrote:If most T&F people are Dems....and if Dems are brilliant, astute, and creative, etc etc......then WTF isn't our sport number ONE in this country??

No one said ALL Dems are brilliant, just as not all Reps are blithering idiots . . .
I personally knew a Republican that could walk AND chew gum at the same time! . . . :D
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:48 am

Track did flourish in the more conservative era
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Postby TN1965 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:51 am

1. It is a co-ed sport.
2. It is a global sport.
3. It is a "minority-dominant" sport.

All factors make the fans more left-leaning (in the context of the US sports culture).
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:52 am

dbirds wrote:Track did flourish in the more conservative era

There has never been a CE; there have always been pro(gressives) and cons(ervatives).
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby BillVol » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:13 am

The person who said it reads this forum. I didn't want to mention his name.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:23 am

I think our nation was more conservative in the first half
Of the 20th century - before abortion, gay rights and no prayer in schools. Back when our nation was closer to its Judeo-Christian roots!
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Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:32 am

dbirds wrote:I think our nation was more conservative in the first half
Of the 20th century - before abortion, gay rights and no prayer in schools. Back when our nation was closer to its Judeo-Christian roots!

Say what?!?! The founding fathers were radical liberals!!!
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:43 am

Most were either Jewish or Christian unlike the current president and many of his people
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Postby gh » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:46 am

BillVol wrote:Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?


Of course the fact that "somebody said it" doesn't necessarily make it true.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:09 am

dbirds wrote:Most were either Jewish or Christian unlike the current president and many of his people

Many were Deists, which does not correlate with modern Christianity.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby tandfman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:19 am

dbirds wrote:Most were either Jewish or Christian unlike the current president and many of his people

Nonsense.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:47 am

Modern Christianity? Either they believe in Jesus or not
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:01 pm

dbirds wrote:Modern Christianity? Either they believe in Jesus or not


What do you mean by "believing in Jesus"?

His existence?
His teachings as told by strangers that did not know him anywhere between 40 and 150 years after his death?
His resurrection described in three different ways in the Gospels?
His divinity?

All of the above has been debated by Christian theologians for centuries with hardly any consensus.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:04 pm

All of the above. It's three views on the exact same thing. No one person is gonna tell
The exact same story but none contradict the others.
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Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:06 pm

dbirds wrote:All of the above. It's three views on the exact same thing. No one person is gonna tell
The exact same story but none contradict the others.


Actually, they do, quite a bit. Re-read your New Testament.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby lonewolf » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:43 pm

I do not think you can correlate/equate religion with politics. I do not believe religion should ever be introduced into politics. I do believe unacceptable behaviour, by cultural common sense, is pertinent.

I am a fairly well behaved individual without being overtly religious. I suppose I am an an agnostic, afflicted by a fundamental Christian upbringing, the absolute veracity of which has been eroded by education and common sense.

I do not criticize true believers of whatever religion, even if I personally believe some have some pretty kooky ideas. I believe the main benefit of religion is to induce a positive standard of behaviour in society. I do not doubt that it gives comfort to believers in traumatic circumstances. I applaud the charitable work of various religious organizations.

Virtually all "religions" are essentially "cults", originating with a "prophet" by one name or another that share a common trait of a diety by one name or another, whether or not there is evidence of the existence of said diety. Religions evolve do/don't lists to prescribe human behavior, which becomes culturally distorted and misinterpreted. Religion has been the root cause of uncountable wars and unfathomable atrocites.

And, it is a huge business providing employment for millions of people, either religous practicioners or providers of goods and services to religion.

I feel I left something out but gotta go to a family July 4th thing.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:23 pm

A lot of Christians have brought a back name to Jesus by the way they live and act but Jesus was a great man, the son of God and the savior of mankind. Every "discrepancy"
That you speak of can be explained if you really know the Bible and the content of that era. I'd encourage you to read it more thoroughly (as I continue to do), eternity in heaven is too important to miss!
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Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:45 pm

dbirds wrote:A lot of Christians have brought a back name to Jesus by the way they live and act but Jesus was a great man, the son of God and the savior of mankind. Every "discrepancy"
That you speak of can be explained if you really know the Bible and the content of that era. I'd encourage you to read it more thoroughly (as I continue to do), eternity in heaven is too important to miss!


I have read it, a lot more than you might think. The difference between us is that I also read biblical scholarship that examines it. Such scholarship has existed primarily only the last two centuries. Oh yes, if you want to debate the Bible with me, I stand at your service, but refrain from patronizing me with statements such as "read it more thoroughly." What is thorough means something entirely different to you than it does to me.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:27 pm

I think praying before reading helps one interpret it better. I have read other historical documents that support. Read something by lee strobel
Or ken ham, they have studied it much thoroughly than I have.
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Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:37 pm

dbirds wrote:I think praying before reading helps one interpret it better. I have read other historical documents that support. Read something by lee strobel
Or ken ham, they have studied it much thoroughly than I have.


I know plenty about Ken Ham and the entire creationist movement. It ignores everything that natural sciences learned.
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Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:04 pm

You mean the one that says we are 20 billions years old?
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Daisy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:21 pm

dbirds wrote:You mean the one that says we are 20 billions years old?

We? Or the universe? The current estimate is 14 billion years for the universe.
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Postby Pego » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:26 pm

Daisy wrote:
dbirds wrote:You mean the one that says we are 20 billions years old?

We? Or the universe? The current estimate is 14 billion years for the universe.


...and the Earth 4.5 billion.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Daisy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:28 pm

Pego wrote:
Daisy wrote:
dbirds wrote:You mean the one that says we are 20 billions years old?

We? Or the universe? The current estimate is 14 billion years for the universe.


...and the Earth 4.5 billion.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:12 pm

Those numbers are all bogus!
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Daisy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:35 pm

dbirds wrote:Those numbers are all bogus!

Estimates based on the evidence currently available. They may well be revised as more information is collected, but they are not bogus.
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Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:57 pm

Daisy wrote:
dbirds wrote:Those numbers are all bogus!

Estimates based on the evidence currently available. They may well be revised as more information is collected, but they are not bogus.

The estimate is variable, but not by a very large degree. At the Hayden Planetarium (where Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson is director), the estimate age of the universe is 13 billion years. When Dr. Carl Sagan presented Cosmos (1980), the estimate was 15 billion. As for the earth, I've heard and read estimates of anywhere between 4.3 billion and 4.8 billion, with the Moon perhaps 500 million years younger, some of its material having come from the Earth after an object the size of Mercury or Mars (or somewhere in between) smashing into it.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:22 pm

'Flat-earthers' always amaze me . . . :shock:
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Cooter Brown » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:48 pm

aaronk wrote:If most T&F people are Dems....and if Dems are brilliant, astute, and creative, etc etc......then WTF isn't our sport number ONE in this country??


The average person is borderline functionally retarded.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby KDFINE » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:42 pm

TN1965's explanation seems right on target, especially the global view.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby dbirds » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:04 am

They can't find any fossils to corroborate these dates. Bunch of crazy guesses. A lot of scientists think they are a lot smarter than they really are
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:06 am

Cooter Brown wrote:The average person is borderline functionally retarded.

Actually, psychological studies have concluded that the average person, at 100 IQ, is surprising adept at succeeding in life and people with IQs (admittedly, an obsolete term) of 85 fully blend in with 'normal' society.
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby Pego » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:16 am

dbirds wrote:They can't find any fossils to corroborate these dates. Bunch of crazy guesses. A lot of scientists think they are a lot smarter than they really are


This is so absurd, there is no reasonable response. Do you realize that the geological strata establishing ages at different levels started with Hutton still in the 18th century, long before Darwin, long before Lyell, long before isotope dating?
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Re: Happy 4th! Political leanings of track people...

Postby BillVol » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:34 am

gh wrote:
BillVol wrote:Someone on here said that most track people are Democrats. Why is that?


Of course the fact that "somebody said it" doesn't necessarily make it true.


Of course not. I should have written instead, "Why do you suppose this person believes this?" Or something like that.
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