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Vince wrote:Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.
Pego wrote: If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.
There are many other antics by players that many detest. The NFL is full of it. It has become the "look at me" league. Should we be considered bigots if we denounced such behavior? I don't think so. We are denouncing the behavior more so than the person. I think people generally are suggesting there is a more proper time and place for his behavior. Even Kurt Warner has suggested he tone his rhetoric a bit. Vince, would Kurt Warner be considered a bigot too?
I don't get the animosity towards Tebow. This is the person he has always shown himself to be. Do you expect him to change his show of thanks to his Maker because it 'bothers' others? I find that to be their issue, not his. How does his gesture prevent your pursuit of happiness? Ignore it; it is of no consequence to you. It is of great consequence to him. He would think it UNgrateful to NOT kneel and give thanks. I don't like it or not like it. It really doesn't affect me at all, unless I rile MYSELF up into a snit.
Marlow wrote:I don't get the animosity towards Tebow. This is the person he has always shown himself to be. Do you expect him to change his show of thanks to his Maker because it 'bothers' others? I find that to be their issue, not his. How does his gesture prevent your pursuit of happiness? Ignore it; it is of no consequence to you. It is of great consequence to him. He would think it UNgrateful to NOT kneel and give thanks. I don't like it or not like it. It really doesn't affect me at all, unless I rile MYSELF up into a snit.
It's not some real big deal what he does or doesn't do. He could do the chicken walk after a score....so what. We've all spent less than an hour of our life watching Tim Tebow. The thing is we are seeing someone....unique. Anytime that happens it will be talked about. An NFL QB there because he is a winner and can run into (as opposded to around) NFL defenses. He's not there because he can throw the ball............unique! Then to...give thanks to his God instead of that chicken walk.....different.
Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.
If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.
“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).
I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.
Jesus and his disciples prayed in public FYI. Tebow probably sees his extraordinary talent a gift from God and praying may be his way to bring God to him. Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.
Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.
Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?
Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
No, it ain't. All I am saying that public displays of traits the society considers virtuous (prayer, patriotism...) smack to me of hypocrisy. Obviously, I am not alone, as many people of faith/patriotism detest it just as much. Pray at home, pray in the church, pray with Rick Perry's assembly for rain as much as you wish. Do it demonstratively and many people that might otherwise like you, will disapprove.
'All this Tempest in a Tebow reminds me of the old anecdote about a preacher praising God for the spendid homestead a farmer had wrested from a wilderness. The farmer's response, "Yep, but you should have seen how worthless it was when God had it all to himself."
Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.
If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.
“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).
I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac.
Wow, way to go. Tim Tebow is one of the most genuine and universallly loved (by people who know him in real life) pro athletes ever, and you still harbor that opinion? I'm with Marlow, sounds like a "you" problem.
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.
Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?
Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac.
Wow, way to go. Tim Tebow is one of the most genuine and universallly loved (by people who know him in real life) pro athletes ever, and you still harbor that opinion? I'm with Marlow, sounds like a "you" problem.
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
jazzcyclist wrote:Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.[/quote]
None of us really know this young man. We do know he is a overly zealous Christman, is that so bad? We also know he needs work on his throwing. We know he is invovled with charities. I see no reason yet to dislike the young man. If he starts yelling, your all going to Hell, then I will put the Squack curse on him!
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.
I don't think..."flaunting"....fits at all. You see him...flaunting I have no doubt if he were stranded on a deserted island he's doing the same things.
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Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.
Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
SQUACKEE wrote:None of us really know this young man.
I live in his home town and have 'known' him for his 8 years of HS and college. You can't live here and not know a whole LOT about him. He is not self-righteous; he doesn't shove his brand of religion down your throat. He simply LIVES his religion every day as best he knows how. I admire him . . . a lot.
SQUACKEE wrote:None of us really know this young man.
I live in his home town and have 'known' him for his 8 years of HS and college. You can't live here and not know a whole LOT about him. He is not self-righteous; he doesn't shove his brand of religion down your throat. He simply LIVES his religion every day as best he knows how. I admire him . . . a lot.
Anyone who doesn't like Tim Tebow...why??????? I'm with you.
SQUACKEE wrote:None of us really know this young man.
I live in his home town and have 'known' him for his 8 years of HS and college. You can't live here and not know a whole LOT about him. He is not self-righteous; he doesn't shove his brand of religion down your throat. He simply LIVES his religion every day as best he knows how. I admire him . . . a lot.
Are you saying that you've spent a significant amount of time around him at unguarded moments?
SQUACKEE wrote:None of us really know this young man.
I live in his home town and have 'known' him for his 8 years of HS and college. You can't live here and not know a whole LOT about him. He is not self-righteous; he doesn't shove his brand of religion down your throat. He simply LIVES his religion every day as best he knows how. I admire him . . . a lot.
Anyone who doesn't like Tim Tebow...why??????? I'm with you.
They don't like him because he is the star, he is a winner, he's big, strong, athletic, and has everything they wish they could have, but don't. Even though he works hard and is charitable, they criticize his prayer. He wins, but they say he's sloppy, can't pass, runs too much.
They can't like him because he makes them look insignificant.
SQUACKEE wrote:None of us really know this young man.
I live in his home town and have 'known' him for his 8 years of HS and college. You can't live here and not know a whole LOT about him. He is not self-righteous; he doesn't shove his brand of religion down your throat. He simply LIVES his religion every day as best he knows how. I admire him . . . a lot.
Anyone who doesn't like Tim Tebow...why??????? I'm with you.
They don't like him because he is the star, he is a winner, he's big, strong, athletic, and has everything they wish they could have, but don't. Even though he works hard and is charitable, they criticize his prayer. He wins, but they say he's sloppy, can't pass, runs too much.
They can't like him because he makes them look insignificant.
Not much to add to that bit of lunacy, but I am sure you will try...
All in all this thread has deteriorated into one of the silliest ones ever... sort of a "how many Tebows can dance on the head of pin" debate.
So, joining in that spirit, I'll ask what I have been wondering since I saw the video highlights of the Broncos/Chargers debacle: When Tebow was on the bench appearing to be praying while both place kickers took their shots at winning the game was he praying for the SD guy to miss and for the Denver guy to split the uprights? And if so, do we believe that God grant prayers like that?
Vince wrote:They don't like him because he is the star, he is a winner, he's big, strong, athletic, and has everything they wish they could have, but don't. Even though he works hard and is charitable, they criticize his prayer. He wins, but they say he's sloppy, can't pass, runs too much.
They can't like him because he makes them look insignificant.
There's not much to dislike about Tebow as a football player. He's made Denver football games must-see TV and he's actually won me over despite his passing deficiency. He seems like he would have felt right at home back in the 50's and 60's when football games were broadcast in black and white. I'm expecting the Broncos to start running the wing-T any day now.
jhc68 wrote:And if so, do we believe that God grant prayers like that?
Have you ever seen the banana shots in soccer, usually from the free kicks? You don't think that's God? And how else can you explain the ref and linesman being temporarily blinded when Maradona punched the ball into the English net in 1986?
Wow, way to go. Tim Tebow is one of the most genuine and universallly loved (by people who know him in real life) pro athletes ever, and you still harbor that opinion? I'm with Marlow, sounds like a "you" problem.