Tim Tebow


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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby odelltrclan » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:30 am

Avante wrote: .....ok...Czonka made it work. Hmmmm?


Lets not forget that Czonka played in the 1970's. The NFL is a different game today. I remember many a QB being able to scramble and outrun defensive lineman fairly easily, the likes of Tarkenton and Staubach. They don't even compare in speed to many of today's swift footed QB's and today's QB's have a difficult time outrunning the lineman and linebackers. The fact is that many of today's defensive lineman are quicker and are more physical and athletic that those of Czonka's day, not to mention Brown. The fact that he is not a huge threat to throw also allows them to play more aggressively against the run.

There was one play last week where Tebow lateraled the ball to someone, became a blocker and was drubbed by a D-lineman and looked none too happy about the physical nature in which he got manhandled. He better get used to it.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:04 am

guru wrote:Avante, you would have enjoyed the Bengals game yesterday. Bengals OC Jay Gruden, God bless him, had Andy Dalton run an option play against the Ravens that ended, somewhat predictably, with a fumble. It hurt my eyes to watch lol


The Bengals historically known for big power backs...Icky Woods, Pete Johnson, Bobbie Clarke, Larry Kinnebrew.

Since the "Wildcat" "Tebow-ism" we have seen more NFL teams getting funky with different formations. It's a new toy right now.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:11 am

odelltrclan wrote:
Avante wrote: .....ok...Czonka made it work. Hmmmm?


Lets not forget that Czonka played in the 1970's. The NFL is a different game today. I remember many a QB being able to scramble and outrun defensive lineman fairly easily, the likes of Tarkenton and Staubach. They don't even compare in speed to many of today's swift footed QB's and today's QB's have a difficult time outrunning the lineman and linebackers. The fact is that many of today's defensive lineman are quicker and are more physical and athletic that those of Czonka's day, not to mention Brown. The fact that he is not a huge threat to throw also allows them to play more aggressively against the run.

There was one play last week where Tebow lateraled the ball to someone, became a blocker and was drubbed by a D-lineman and looked none too happy about the physical nature in which he got manhandled. He better get used to it.


Yep, yep and yep. Jim Brown was 230 pounds, he was bigger than most backers and the D line were 250-270 pounders. Totally different deal today. With 10.0 (yards) speed Brown was as fast/faster than mose defensive backs. Tebow would get dusted by all NFL cornerbacks.

I saw that play and agree, he better get used to it.

What is being ignored is this...

Running backs come and go if they are productive for 5 seasons...great! You get a QB in hopes he'll be your man for 10 years. That's why the QB's make the big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. A team is built around what they can do. No way in hell Tebow or any QB lasts 10 years banging into linebackers. Ain't gonna happen, I've changed my mind, Tim Tebow is not Larry Czonka.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Pego » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:43 am

Did you guys hear Terry Bradshaw's monologue addressed to Rex Ryan yesterday? Spot on assessing Tebow.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby odelltrclan » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:47 am

Pego wrote:Did you guys hear Terry Bradshaw's monologue addressed to Rex Ryan yesterday? Spot on assessing Tebow.


Did not, what did he have to say?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Pego » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:31 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
Pego wrote:Did you guys hear Terry Bradshaw's monologue addressed to Rex Ryan yesterday? Spot on assessing Tebow.


Did not, what did he have to say?


He says to Ryan "you guys got your butt whipped by a college quarterback." Then he went on talking about the winning 95-yard drive, emphasizing how it was all on the ground and the Jets "famous" defense couldn't stop it and analyzing Tebow's play. Bradshaw's "folksy" delivery and southern drawl made it even more hilarious.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:04 pm

Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:
Pego wrote:Did you guys hear Terry Bradshaw's monologue addressed to Rex Ryan yesterday? Spot on assessing Tebow.


Did not, what did he have to say?


He says to Ryan "you guys got your butt whipped by a college quarterback." Then he went on talking about the winning 95-yard drive, emphasizing how it was all on the ground and the Jets "famous" defense couldn't stop it and analyzing Tebow's play. Bradshaw's "folksy" delivery and southern drawl made it even more hilarious.


Everyone keeps missing the big picture. Tebow is there to have a career he was drafted to be productive for 10 years. You draft running backs to give you some young/fresh legs for a few seasons. You draft QB's for stability and longevity. Banging into/off of linebackers........?????? That's neat/cool to watch, it's unique and different but it cannot last. No way in hell any QB is getting by with that for long. As we will be seeing.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:40 pm

Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:
Pego wrote:Did you guys hear Terry Bradshaw's monologue addressed to Rex Ryan yesterday? Spot on assessing Tebow.


Did not, what did he have to say?


He says to Ryan "you guys got your butt whipped by a college quarterback." Then he went on talking about the winning 95-yard drive, emphasizing how it was all on the ground and the Jets "famous" defense couldn't stop it and analyzing Tebow's play. Bradshaw's "folksy" delivery and southern drawl made it even more hilarious.


Part it also that the Jets ran out of gas at Mile high. It is tough at 5280 feet.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby gh » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:13 pm

I was listening to some nationally-syndicated talking head on the radio the other day (I gotta say, the quality of commentary in that department seems pretty damned fine at this point), and the guy (maybe Ted Robinson?) was noting that Tebow may be great in the short term, but once he becomes a legit open-field target (which is what happens to QBs who leave the pocket), the beat-him-to-a-pulp will soon render him useless.

Not becuase he can't handle it—his ability to be a big-time runner is well established, even at the NFL level—bit because you can't do that and still be a big-time QB, who actually has to pass the ball effectively.

But he certainly looks like the second coming of Bobby Douglass, easily the best power-running QB I've ever seen.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:21 am

gh wrote:I was listening to some nationally-syndicated talking head on the radio the other day (I gotta say, the quality of commentary in that department seems pretty damned fine at this point), and the guy (maybe Ted Robinson?) was noting that Tebow may be great in the short term, but once he becomes a legit open-field target (which is what happens to QBs who leave the pocket), the beat-him-to-a-pulp will soon render him useless.

Not becuase he can't handle it—his ability to be a big-time runner is well established, even at the NFL level—bit because you can't do that and still be a big-time QB, who actually has to pass the ball effectively.

But he certainly looks like the second coming of Bobby Douglass, easily the best power-running QB I've ever seen.


I clicked on to talk about Bobby Douglas, you beat me to it.

Bobby was 6-4 225pounds, he had a nice 12 year career. A career that saw him rush for over 900 yards in 1972, he'd also leave the game with a better than 6 yard a carry average. There was a span of four seasons where he really tore it up as a running QB. Then he mellowed out. As we know at his size vs his time he was bigger/as big as most backers.We didn't see these monster D linemen like we do today and few cornerbacks hit with the velocity these guys hit with today. I seriously doubt Bobby Douglas is averaging over 6 yards a carry in a 2011 season. I have no doubts that Tim Tebow is having far more success in 1972 than he will in 2011.

The bottom line is very simple, if we are talking a season, a couple seasons then Tebow "might" make it work, if we are talking a 10/12 year career it's not going to happen. The prize/award for any D player is to crunch the QB, that is the ultimate high. So all we are talking about is time, how long before Tebow gets crunched. And he will get crunched, that is a 100% sure bet. Impossible for any QB to bang off of/into NFL defenders and not get crunched.....in todays NFL.

I think we all agree that him being a nice kid and seemingly so ....ah...unworldly/naive? (just can't see him in a Phillipine bar dealing with..."buy me drink babysan :D ?')....is kinda cute. His..'thank You Jesus, thank You Lord"..to the degree he takes it.....different. Here we are talking about him because of his uniqueness, so it's all good, just for how long.

youtube having a few Bobby Douglas videos.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:24 am

What Bear fan can forget Bobby Douglass? Besides the fact the Bears also sucked then.

'With Douglass starting, the Chicago Bears had only a 13-31-1 record.
In five seasons from 1971–1975, Douglass played in 47 games and amassed 2,040 rushing yards. During that span, he averaged 43.4 rushing yards per game played—the second highest rushing yards per game average over a five-season span for a QB. Randall Cunningham ranks first with 43.5 yds/g over a five-season span from 1986–1990).
However, Douglass had little success as a passer, going 507-for-1178 for 36 touchdowns and 64 interceptions with a quarterback passer rating of only 48.5 during his 11-season NFL career.'
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Vince » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:36 am

In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Pego » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:07 am

Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.

“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:11 am

Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.

“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.


I hope not. Very well put.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:20 am

Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


Bigots? How about time and place? Is an NFL sideline really the best place to..."thank you Lord, thank you Jesus"...to the degree we see with Tebow? What did God have against the opposing team? Then again, could the Denver Broncos become God's team now because of Tim Tebow?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby odelltrclan » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:24 am

Vince wrote:Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


Pego wrote: If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.


There are many other antics by players that many detest. The NFL is full of it. It has become the "look at me" league. Should we be considered bigots if we denounced such behavior? I don't think so. We are denouncing the behavior more so than the person. I think people generally are suggesting there is a more proper time and place for his behavior. Even Kurt Warner has suggested he tone his rhetoric a bit. Vince, would Kurt Warner be considered a bigot too?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:04 pm

I don't get the animosity towards Tebow. This is the person he has always shown himself to be. Do you expect him to change his show of thanks to his Maker because it 'bothers' others? I find that to be their issue, not his. How does his gesture prevent your pursuit of happiness? Ignore it; it is of no consequence to you. It is of great consequence to him. He would think it UNgrateful to NOT kneel and give thanks. I don't like it or not like it. It really doesn't affect me at all, unless I rile MYSELF up into a snit.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:20 pm

Marlow wrote:I don't get the animosity towards Tebow. This is the person he has always shown himself to be. Do you expect him to change his show of thanks to his Maker because it 'bothers' others? I find that to be their issue, not his. How does his gesture prevent your pursuit of happiness? Ignore it; it is of no consequence to you. It is of great consequence to him. He would think it UNgrateful to NOT kneel and give thanks. I don't like it or not like it. It really doesn't affect me at all, unless I rile MYSELF up into a snit.


It's not some real big deal what he does or doesn't do. He could do the chicken walk after a score....so what. We've all spent less than an hour of our life watching Tim Tebow. The thing is we are seeing someone....unique. Anytime that happens it will be talked about. An NFL QB there because he is a winner and can run into (as opposded to around) NFL defenses. He's not there because he can throw the ball............unique! Then to...give thanks to his God instead of that chicken walk.....different.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Vince » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:53 am

Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.

“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.


Jesus and his disciples prayed in public FYI. Tebow probably sees his extraordinary talent a gift from God and praying may be his way to bring God to him. Only a bigot would have a problem with that.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Daisy » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:01 am

odelltrclan wrote:Even Kurt Warner has suggested he tone his rhetoric a bit. Vince, would Kurt Warner be considered a bigot too?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Pego » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:54 am

Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.


Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:02 am

Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.

Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.

Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:17 am

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.

Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.

Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?


Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Pego » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:28 am

Marlow wrote:Tain't no skin off your nose is it?


No, it ain't. All I am saying that public displays of traits the society considers virtuous (prayer, patriotism...) smack to me of hypocrisy. Obviously, I am not alone, as many people of faith/patriotism detest it just as much. Pray at home, pray in the church, pray with Rick Perry's assembly for rain as much as you wish. Do it demonstratively and many people that might otherwise like you, will disapprove.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby lonewolf » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:42 am

'All this Tempest in a Tebow reminds me of the old anecdote about a preacher praising God for the spendid homestead a farmer had wrested from a wilderness.
The farmer's response, "Yep, but you should have seen how worthless it was when God had it all to himself."
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:04 pm

To each his own, having said that if a Satan worshiper was a NFL Q.B. would you rather he

A. keep it to himself :wink:
B. Wouldnt care, or criticize if he did a Satan worshiping signing and obligatory devil dance after every T.D. :twisted:
C. Don't care :roll:
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Daisy » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:08 pm

Squackee, those questions are all wrong. Should be:

A. keep it to himself :evil:
B. Wouldnt care, or criticize if he did a Satan worshiping signing and obligatory devil dance after every T.D. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
C. Don't care :evil:
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:18 pm

Daisy wrote:Squackee, those questions are all wrong. Should be:

B. Wouldnt care, or criticize if he did a Satan worshiping signing and obligatory devil dance after every T.D. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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mmmm...you seem to know alot about this Devil stuff, can I offically out you now as one of Lucifer's henchmen? :twisted:
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Daisy » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:25 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:mmmm...you seem to know alot about this Devil stuff, can I offically out you now as one of Lucifer's henchmen? :twisted:

Nope, I'm an atheist. How are atheists supposed to celebrate a touchdown? 8-)
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:41 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac.

I'm afraid that may say more about YOU than Tebow . . . :(
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:44 pm

Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:In the words of Al Davis... just win baby. Regarding the rest of you bigots on this board who have problems with someone praying, are you all in favor of 'don't ask don't tell' for the military because that's essentially what you want Tebow to follow.


If I am a bigot for detesting endless public displays of piety, I am in a pretty good company.

“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

I might have killed this thread with a biblical verse, but this sort of ad hominem could not go unanswered.


Amen Pego! Amen. 8-)
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:47 pm

Daisy wrote:Nope, I'm an atheist. How are atheists supposed to celebrate a touchdown? 8-)


Cold beer and a hot women.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:49 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.

Preach Conor, preach! 8-)
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby scottmitchell74 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:56 pm

Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac.


:shock: Wow, way to go. Tim Tebow is one of the most genuine and universallly loved (by people who know him in real life) pro athletes ever, and you still harbor that opinion? I'm with Marlow, sounds like a "you" problem.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:08 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:
Vince wrote:Only a bigot would have a problem with that.

Any further response would necessarily have to be equally offensive as your attack on my integrity, so I just quit talking to you, which I should have done long time ago.

Pego, you are most certainly not a bigot, but look at this from Tebow's perspective: he attributes his life and physical gifts to a Supreme Being and when he kneels, it is only to give thanks to his Maker for that which He has given him. I myself would be very uncomfortable doing it, but Tebow would be even MORE uncomfortable NOT doing it. To each his own, yes? Tain't no skin off your nose is it?


Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.


Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:13 pm

scottmitchell74 wrote:
Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac.


:shock: Wow, way to go. Tim Tebow is one of the most genuine and universallly loved (by people who know him in real life) pro athletes ever, and you still harbor that opinion? I'm with Marlow, sounds like a "you" problem.

Do you know Tebow in real life? :?
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:14 pm

Avante wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.


Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.

He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:33 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.

He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.[/quote]

None of us really know this young man. We do know he is a overly zealous Christman, is that so bad? We also know he needs work on his throwing. We know he is invovled with charities. I see no reason yet to dislike the young man. If he starts yelling, your all going to Hell, then I will put the Squack curse on him!
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:43 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Avante wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.


Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.

He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.


Exactly. And, thank god, is all I want to know.
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Re: Tim Tebow

Postby Avante » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:01 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Avante wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Having been involved in our local church since I was 6, Tebow reminds me more of a self centered, insecure egomaniac. God wants me have a touchdown. Yea, right.

Reminds me of Aimee Semple McPherson.


Obviously you don't know anything about Tim Tebow.

He knows that Tebow likes to flaunt his piety.


I don't think..."flaunting"....fits at all. You see him...flaunting :roll: I have no doubt if he were stranded on a deserted island he's doing the same things.
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