Chinese female world records


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Re: Chinese female world records

Postby kuha » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:37 am

catson52 wrote:Not central to the discussion perhaps, but the El G-Ngeny effect should not be totally discounted. What was Ngeny's best time in a non-El G 1500/mile race? Merv Lincoln was pulled to 3:55.9 behind Elliott at Dublin, what was his best effort without Herb in the race? Look at Graham Crouch's time in Christchurch in 1974, pulled along by Bayi. All these athletes, "latched on" to the leader, and produced superb results. This is not to say they were without talent.


Yes, BUT, we're talking about two pretty clearly separate things in terms of 1993:
a) individuals who achieved massive lifetime bests; and
b) a number of other athletes who achieved massive lifetime bests on consecutive days in multiple events.

What could Graham Crouch have done the day after the Christchurch race? And the day after that? And the day after that? THAT is the genuinely relevant question.
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Re: Chinese female world records

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:49 am

kuha wrote:
catson52 wrote:Not central to the discussion perhaps, but the El G-Ngeny effect should not be totally discounted. What was Ngeny's best time in a non-El G 1500/mile race? Merv Lincoln was pulled to 3:55.9 behind Elliott at Dublin, what was his best effort without Herb in the race? Look at Graham Crouch's time in Christchurch in 1974, pulled along by Bayi. All these athletes, "latched on" to the leader, and produced superb results. This is not to say they were without talent.


Yes, BUT, we're talking about two pretty clearly separate things in terms of 1993:
a) individuals who achieved massive lifetime bests; and
b) a number of other athletes who achieved massive lifetime bests on consecutive days in multiple events.

What could Graham Crouch have done the day after the Christchurch race? And the day after that? And the day after that? THAT is the genuinely relevant question.


Right. The equivalent would have been a 1500 in about 3:20 and the rest of the field under 3:30 and that back in 1974. Ridiculous.
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Re: Chinese female world records

Postby gh » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:51 am

Conor Dary wrote:
kuha wrote:All I'm saying is: let's see this footage and at least attempt to analyze it. I've never seen it and find it interesting that no seems able to actually produce it.


Yes, I too would like to see this footage. To count laps and also to see if the folks who ran outside China are in the race.


I'm 99% certain that footage was well analyzed at the time, since that was the first reaction.
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Re: Chinese female world records

Postby kuha » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:22 am

I invite anyone who has done so to contribute here, to point out any published commentary on the matter, or to make that original footage more readily available. Inquiring Minds Want to Know.
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Re: Chinese female world records

Postby Friar » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:11 pm

Certainly an interesting time. And maybe the best edition (De.'93) of T&FN ever. It was really unclear what China was capable of and to what lengths they were willing to go?
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