Sarah Palin


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Postby Flumpy » Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:37 am

lonewolf wrote: ANYONE on this board is more qualified to be President of the United States and would do less damage than Barach Hussein Obama.


Eldrick for President!!! :shock:
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Postby Pego » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:53 pm

Pego wrote:
gm wrote:Did a write-in for the fifth time in a row.

Neither "major" party does anything for me at all, no inspiration, just the same old crap wrapped in a different package.

I can't imagine wearing a shirt in public with ANY politician's name or picture on it. They are our employees, and for the most part they do a pretty lousy job.

But I still think we have the best worst system in the world.


Whom did you write in?


Gm, the Free Speech weekend is coming to the end and you, as I thought, chose not to answer my question. I know, you'll read this, so a couple of comments.
You have made it a routine to criticize/attack the political establishment, especially the politicians you consider corrupt, "liberal" or immoral. Yet, you never offer any alternatives. Let this immigrant from a communist country offer you a civics lesson. Participatory democracy only works when people participate. Especially informed, intelligent, educated people as yourself. Writing in some "candidate", who has not got a prayer to be elected is not participation. Sometimes (commonly) we have to pick a lesser evil. I have held my nose voting numerous times.
Under communism, we had to go and vote, it was compulsive, you'd put your ass on line if you didn't. You had no choice. You went, dropped the official ballot in the box and left. Here, it is your privilege. The major reason for my immigration here was the First Ammendment. I have not missed an election (any, rinky dink local ones) in 33 years since gaining the citizenship.
Well, this is my free speech allowed be the mods this great weekend. I do appreciate it.
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Postby gm » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:01 pm

Well, Pego, I respect the hell out of you for coming to this country for the reasons you stated. I completely disagree with you about the idea that voting for a "no-hoper" is not participation. That's the beauty of this country -- I can vote pretty much for whoever the hell I want, without fear that the authorities will come by the house and shoot me.

The wonderful First Amendment also allows me to tell you that it's really none of your damn business who I voted for.

I vote locally for the candidates who I think will best do the things we need on a local basis. They are pretty much non-partisan choices.

At the national level? LBJ was the last president who I think did what really needed to be done, and I was too young to vote back then. I liked Reagan and voted for him in my first two elections, which I am sure makes me a figure of ridicule to most here, but since then the top-tier candidates have been incredibly poor.

By the way, some of us work and travel this weekend, and weren't able to immediately answer message board pokes.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:53 pm

Notice she hasn't said "Drill, baby, drill" much these days...!

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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby SQUACKEE » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:35 am

Putting her politics aside, does anyone else find her presentation completely annoying, the squeaky voice, the you betcha. It may be shallow but IF i agreed with everything out of her mouth, which i dont, she is still "fingers on the chalkboard".
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:44 am

Her "appeal", on any level, completely eludes me.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby rasb » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:14 am

I would like to spend 1 night with Sarah. But only if she kept her mouth closed.....
Wait, let me rephrase that ---- only if she didn't speak :)
We could just sit, and watch her view of Russia. I assume she lives at the top of a 500 story highrise, and has telescopic vision.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby rasb » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:16 am

And I love to see any kind of debate on issues/policies/priorities of the USA, between Obama and anyone on this forum. Can I watch and listen, please?
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:52 am

How much money has Palin made from speaking engagements? That alone would seem to be a good reason for her to continue in politics. She has an audience and they're happy to throw money at her for the performance.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Flumpy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:06 am

SQUACKEE wrote:Putting her politics aside, does anyone else find her presentation completely annoying, the squeaky voice, the you betcha. It may be shallow but IF i agreed with everything out of her mouth, which i dont, she is still "fingers on the chalkboard".


During the Vice presidential debate she winked at the camera and gave a 'shout out' to some school children.

Any chance she had of me giving her the benefit of the doubt, ended right there and then.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Marlow » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:46 pm

As this forum is about to disappear for another year, I'd just like to say that if Sarah Palin is ever elected President, that will be the FINAL sign of the impending apocalypse, and I, for one, will welcome the end of the world. :twisted:
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:08 pm

You're just saying that because you want an excuse to live "Apocalypse Now".
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:41 pm

There is a Saturday Night Live "Sarah Palin 2012" video that originally aired on November 21, 2009. So far everywhere I've looked for it, the video has been removed do to copyright violations. Furthermore, NBC seems to have edited out that particular scene on their own website where fans can go and watch entire episodes. However, I did save it on my computer and I'm willing to email it to anyone who pm's me their email address.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Marlow » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:07 pm

Daisy wrote:You're just saying that because you want an excuse to live "Apocalypse Now".

And indeed it will be 'the horror, the horror' . . .
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby no one » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:36 am

read the previous yrs posts - I'm wondering, given the last several years if anyone's views have changed, strengthened ... weakened? Mine have strengthened regarding Palin being no more educated or savvy in the arena. 2012 looms large however I think Palin had Dug a substantial grave but padded her pockets quite handsomely. Somebody said once "don't believe your own press clippings" ... or something to that effect. Not sure that's happening here. I am still baffled
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Marlow » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:44 am

The only group that wants Palin nominated for the top of the of the GOP ticket more than the Republicans, are the Democrats . . . [rim-shot]
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby kuha » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:13 am

At this point, she's like one of hte Gabor sisters: remarkably little actual ability, and famous simply for being famous.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Flumpy » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:53 am

Considering we know have to suffer Michele Bachman, I long for the days when Sarah Palin was all we had to worry about.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Brian » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:31 am

Flumpy wrote:Considering we know have to suffer Michele Bachman, I long for the days when Sarah Palin was all we had to worry about.


Bachman is a candidate for one reason only: The GOP powers want her to do on this stage what she's been doing all along in her career, which is to be a hachet-man (hachet-woman?).

In order for any candidate to be elected, they must portray themselves as a moderate (approx. 80% of the voting public is in actuality either a left or right-leaning moderate)...ideally, while portraying their opponent as being a "dangerous" extremist.

Bachman portrays the extreme Right, thereby making any other GOP candidate look "good" by comparison to her extreme views.


That, and only that, is the reason she has been encouraged by the GOP heads. [And a sound strategy it is.]


And mind you, she either doesn't know this, or (more likely) is in a state of denial. She thinks she's going to be president...!
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Pego » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:41 am

Brian wrote: She thinks she's going to be president...!


I doubt it. If she thinks so, they have pills for that. FWIW, I think she just wants a large stage and microphone for her utter nonsense.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:44 am

Pego wrote:
Brian wrote: She thinks she's going to be president...!


I doubt it. If she thinks so, they have pills for that. FWIW, I think she just wants a large stage and microphone for her utter nonsense.


Sadly, I think you are right. I still hope Palin runs...
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Brian » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:01 am

Also, as hachet-person now on the national stage, Bachman gets a larger forum with which to attack everything about the present administration, thereby possibly paving the road a little for the eventual GOP candidate. [While that actually-electable future candidate can then stay above the fray, acting "presidential."]

This used to be the role of the vice-president. Think Agnew to Nixon.

Point is: Bachman has her purpose in all this, and it isn't to become president.


[Tell me again how Republicans are better at saving public money than Democrats... :) ]
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby jeremyp » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:09 pm

We'll have to change the title to: "Sarah Palin morphs into Michelle Bachman." Hmm? How does Bachman kill a Caribou? With a crucifix, right between the eyes!
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Re:

Postby lonewolf » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:40 pm

Marlow wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:There is a regular poster on this board, who shall remain nameless, who actually said to me in a pm that Palin was more qualified to be President than Obama and John Kerry. :!: :shock:

LONEWOLF, you rascal, you!! :D

Aha! Caught me reading the Free Speech board..
Nope, wasn't me although I unabashedly agree with that wise poster who shall remain nameless.
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Re: Re:

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:42 am

lonewolf wrote:Aha! Caught me reading the Free Speech board..
Nope, wasn't me although I unabashedly agree with that wise poster who shall remain nameless.

Lonewolf, even you don't believe that. Remember, we're talking qualifications, not ideology. These two Bill O'Reilly videos speak volumes about Palin's ignorance and lack of qualifications for POTUS, and demonstrate why it's an insult to Dan Quayle to compare Palin to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFJ-bJTIx-0

http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/10869/
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Re: Re:

Postby lonewolf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:22 am

jazzcyclist wrote:[Lonewolf, even you don't believe that. Remember, we're talking qualifications, not ideology. /

I am talking both qualification and idealogy and resulting damage.
I have never advocated that Palin was qualified to be President of the USA. I thought we were talking comparative incompetence.
In that regard, I would take my chances on the third person in the second column on any page of any phone book in America, providing they are native born, age 35 and not a politician, would be preferable to Obama.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:35 am

Wow. And we're talking about one of the most moderate, middle-of-the-road, always seeking compromise Prez's ever; a guy who is driving the left wing crazy for not being more forceful, ideologically pure, and uncompromising.

Where is the "center" in American politics these days? It's not where it used to be; that much is clear.
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Re: Re:

Postby bad hammy » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:41 am

lonewolf wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:[Lonewolf, even you don't believe that. Remember, we're talking qualifications, not ideology. /

I am talking both qualification and idealogy and resulting damage.
I have never advocated that Palin was qualified to be President of the USA. I thought we were talking comparative incompetence.
In that regard, I would take my chances on the third person in the second column on any page of any phone book in America, providing they are native born, age 35 and not a politician, would be preferable to Obama.

lonewolf,

It is clear that, while you profess reluctance at hanging out here in the Free Speech board, you are quite adept at negotiating it like a pro!
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby lonewolf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:20 am

Ya got me, hammy. I peeked. :oops:
And then it was like trying to eat one potato(e) chip. :)
I more or less bit my tounge and boycotted this forum during the years of Bush bashing. I am thick skinned but it is not entirely inpenetrable.
I have campaigned against this forum for years because it does nothing but annually destroy
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What purpose does it serve to ridicule/condemn others political or idealogical views on a track forum? Do people not realize others are genuinely sincere in their beliefs and are as offended as the poster would be if everyone responded in kind.
There have been fourteen Presidents in my lifetime. I cannot recall in detail the wins and losses of each administration. I can remember my assessment of the overall performance of each.
I know a lot of words. If I were to arrange them in sequence to adequately express my disdain for Obama and his administration I would probably be visited by the Secret Service before nightfall.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:46 am

kuha wrote:Wow. And we're talking about one of the most moderate, middle-of-the-road, always seeking compromise Prez's ever; a guy who is driving the left wing crazy for not being more forceful, ideologically pure, and uncompromising.

Where is the "center" in American politics these days? It's not where it used to be; that much is clear.


It is pretty nutty. His economic team has pretty much given everything the banks wanted and still they scream they are being put upon...

The health care plan is a copy of Romney's and used Republican ideas, including the mandate, from the 1990's, and it is socialism...

All pretty dumb.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:00 pm

kuha wrote:Where is the "center" in American politics these days? It's not where it used to be; that much is clear.

Recently I heard someone suggest that there needs to be a third party between the democrats and republicans. And that surprised me as I had assumed the third party would be to the the left of the current democrats.

There is no doubt that when looking at Obama's popularity figures in the polls, one has to realise that many of the unsatisfied lie to the left of the political spectrum.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:19 pm

Daisy wrote:Recently I heard someone suggest that there needs to be a third party between the democrats and republicans. And that surprised me as I had assumed the third party would be to the the left of the current democrats.


There is a third party in the middle: The Democratic Party, which includes Obama.

Then on the sort of left of center, the Progressive Wing of the Democrats, that for the most part is ignored by the above.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby lonewolf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:33 pm

I live in a conservative community in a conservative state. Thankfully, the few admitted Obama supporters that I knew in 1998 are now experiencing buyers remorse. The rest of us knew what we were getting but could not prevent it.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:44 pm

lonewolf wrote:I live in a conservative community in a conservative state. Thankfully, the few admitted Obama supporters that I knew in 1998 are now experiencing buyers remorse. The rest of us knew what we were getting but could not prevent it.


What exactly don't you like about Obama? Seriously.

I live in a very conservative Republican county, Du Page and I can tell from comments in our local Park District that they listen to Rush, Fox News and the smarter ones the IBD and the editorial page of WSJ. A few times I even have asked why they dislike Obama so much. They really don't have any specific things, except Obamacare even though most of them are on Medicare, but they do say things like Obama's whole cabinet is full of socialists and queers (literally).

W was awful, to me, because of his policies. Iraq, tax cuts for the super rich, taking a budget surplus and turning it into a deficit, not getting Bin Laden, etc.

But from the Republicans the hostilities towards Obama seems to be primarily because he is a Democrat.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby dukehjsteve » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:12 pm

I too am puzzled, really puzzled, at the degree of apparent hatred and venom towards Barack Obama.... so much that it frightens me . It all seems so personal towards him, and not just that he's a Democrat. What's the deal ? Lonewolf, or someone, please explain the reason for such extreme, hate-filled opinions.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:21 pm

dukehjsteve wrote:I too am puzzled, really puzzled, at the degree of apparent hatred and venom towards Barack Obama.... so much that it frightens me . It all seems so personal towards him, and not just that he's a Democrat. What's the deal ? Lonewolf, or someone, please explain the reason for such extreme, hate-filled opinions.


I'm on this page, for sure. The resistance does seem personal and it does seem pretty deeply emotional/visceral--that is, it entirely bypasses rational discussion and analysis. Obama is a moderate, in pretty much every way imaginable. Most of the hysteria against him that I've seen articulated is based on entirely imaginary staff--like the supposed "fact" that he's going to take everyone's guns away, or that he's a Muslim spy, or the equivalent. Any SOBER examination of what he's actually been saying and doing shows a moderate pragmatist struggling to accomodate the more moderate branches of the Democratic base and to build a larger consensus. That's it--really, that's IT. And, yet, THAT is perceived as the devil incarnate? Truly, I don't get it.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby gh » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:24 pm

The hatred is easy to understand when you look at the shocking number of Americans who still believe he wasn't born here and/or how many believe he's a Muslim.

We won't even get into the number of whom believe he's black and that alone scares the shit out of them.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby Pego » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:50 pm

During the '08 campaign I heard at my neighborhood barber that once elected, Obama is going to force white women to have abortions. A few months ago I learned about all those detention camps the administration is building for gun owners. There just isn't anything like your barbershop to learn new things.
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby gh » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:19 pm

and you still get your hair cut there?
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Re: Sarah Palin

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:22 pm

lonewolf wrote:I live in a conservative community in a conservative state. Thankfully, the few admitted Obama supporters that I knew in 1998 are now experiencing buyers remorse. The rest of us knew what we were getting but could not prevent it.

But let's be honest, the Muslim and Mau Mau smears started before he was even elected and have nothing at all to do with his policies. After 9/11, W's approval rating reached 90% as Democrats decided it was time to put politics aside and show solidaity with the President. I remember even Hollywood made the decision that all presidential jokes would be verboten at the Oscars. Republicans have never given Obama that sort of approval rating even after Osama bin Laden was killed. To my knowledge, Obama is the only President to ever have his birthplace/citizenship challenged, and by extension the honesty and integrity of his parents and grandparents. Here's how George Will summed it up:

Huckabee, now a Fox News host, was asked by Steve Malzberg, a talk radio host, this:

"Don't you think it's fair also to ask [Barack Obama] . . . how come we don't have a health record, we don't have a college record, we don't have a birth cer - why, Mr. Obama, did you spend millions of dollars in courts all over this country to defend against having to present a birth certificate. It's one thing to say, I've - you've seen it, goodbye. But why go to court and send lawyers to defend against having to show it? Don't you think we deserve to know more about this man?"

Huckabee should have replied, "I've seen paranoia, goodbye." Instead, he said: "I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya. . . ."

Huckabee thereupon careened off into the (he thinks) related subject of Obama having sent back to the British Embassy in Washington a bust of Winston Churchill that Obama's predecessor had displayed in the Oval Office: ". . . a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists."

The architects and administrators of the British Empire were imperialists? Perish the thought. A contemporary of William Jennings Bryan once said of the three-time Democratic presidential nominee, "One could drive a prairie schooner through any part of his argument and never scrape against a fact." But an absence of facts means there is no argument.

A spokesman for Huckabee dutifully lied, saying his employer "simply misspoke": "The governor meant to say the president grew up in Indonesia." Obama did not really grow up there - he spent just five of his first 18 years there and the other 13 years in Hawaii. But obviously Huckabee, with his dilation on the Mau Maus, was deliberately referring to Kenya. Unless Huckabee thinks the Mau Maus were Indonesians, which he might count as another "one thing that I do know."

Republicans should understand that when self-described conservatives such as Malzberg voice question-rants like the one above and Republicans do not recoil from them, the conservative party is indirectly injured.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04613.html
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