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We are fighting with our lives and the world is just watching," said Ali, a Tehran University student who did not want his full name used for safety reasons. "They see how the government is trying to silence us, how they are beating us -- but they don't come to our help. It's OK. We will succeed, even if we have to fight alone."
How can we possibly help these people? It could get real ugly.
Whether it's I'maDinnerJacket or the other dude, doesn't really matter. It's a dysfunctional kleptocracy that shields itself from criticism by basing the system on a pre-Medieval book composed by charlatans.
I really don't want to be harsh or sound like some anti-PC redneck, because I actually live in a nominally Muslim country and understand what the average Muslim is dealing with, but when a government puts ALL its eggs in that twisted basket like Iran has, there really is no happy ending.
SQUACKEE wrote:We are fighting with our lives and the world is just watching," said Ali, a Tehran University student who did not want his full name used for safety reasons. "They see how the government is trying to silence us, how they are beating us -- but they don't come to our help. It's OK. We will succeed, even if we have to fight alone."
How can we possibly help these people? It could get real ugly.
The worst thing that can happen to the protesters is that the U.S. gets involved or that Obama makes some billigerent or bellicose statement. Then the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad would say this is 1953 all over again and Moussavi is another Shah. Pat Buchanan wrote a great column on this yesterday.
Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
Yes your right Jazz thanks forgot about you telling me earlier.Again I still say they should ask for a recount don't trust the jews for a split second.
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dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
yep, exactly the same.
SQUACKEE YOU A DEM???????
I have to agree with SQUACKEE on this one. In Florida, what happened is that the US. Supreme Court, in a straight party line vote, denied the American citizens an honest and accurate vote count similar to what's going on with the Minnesota Senate race. I look at vote counting the way I look at instant replay in football. The most important thing is to get the right decision, not a fast decision. I don't think anyone ever accused Bush or anyone else of conspiring beforehand to dilberately miscount the votes in Florida, which is what Ahmadinejad is being accused of.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
Yes your right Jazz thanks forgot about you telling me earlier.Again I still say they should ask for a recount don't trust the jews for a split second.
Come on man! Jews had nothing to do with elections in Lebanon, and neither did Zionists. You're really exposing yourself now. Are you trying to get Garry to ban you?
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Jazz its amazing Arab insiders say they are more concerned with Iran's nuclear ambitions than Israel have they forgotten "Zionville" is the enemy!!!!!! This was said on I believe either Hardball or Countdown.
dal4018 wrote:Jazz its amazing Arab insiders say they are more concerned with Iran's nuclear ambitions than Israel have they forgotten "Zionville" is the enemy!!!!!! This was said on I believe either Hardball or Countdown.
Arab governments are more concerned with Iran, but the Arab street is more concerned with the Palestinians.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
Yes your right Jazz thanks forgot about you telling me earlier.Again I still say they should ask for a recount don't trust the jews for a split second.
Come on man! Jews had nothing to do with elections in Lebanon, and neither did Zionists. You're really exposing yourself now. Are you trying to get Garry to ban you?
dal4018 wrote:Jazz its amazing Arab insiders say they are more concerned with Iran's nuclear ambitions than Israel have they forgotten "Zionville" is the enemy!!!!!! This was said on I believe either Hardball or Countdown.
Arab governments are more concerned with Iran, but the Arab street is more concerned with the Palestinians.
jazzcyclist wrote:Come on man! Jews had nothing to do with elections in Lebanon, and neither did Zionists. You're really exposing yourself now. Are you trying to get Garry to ban you?
No sir I'am not.
A good rule of thumb is to never use the word "the" in front of the name of a racial, religious or ethnic group if you are also going to use a perjorative phrase or adjective such as "don't trust" along with it.
Also noted was a purge of some 50,000 alleged felons from the Florida voting rolls, which were nearly half African-American voters. The majority of these were not felons and should have been eligible to vote under Florida law.
I wonder if the Bush campaign had any knowledge or involvement with this. The other stuff just seems like run-of-the-mill dirty tricks that both parties engage in.
Iranian students had a comparable uprising in 1999, which is still celebrated by the expatriate community, but were brutally put down and hundreds/thousands are still political prisoners.
My sources, direct from the streets in Iran, say that an overwhelming majority of Iranians, of all ages, would like to oust the mullahs and live in an open, free society in harmony with the rest of the world.
Unfortunately, it is the hardline, medevialists who have the guns. Of course, that did not deter the overthrow of the Shah, so... stay tuned..
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
utter crap, Dwight
So you believe Bush won fare and square???????
My God, are there still people out there parroting this tired old discredited mantra? I deliberately avoid political threads and wish the mods would enforce their guidelines but, someimes, ya gotta speak up.
The 2000 elections were interminably conducted under intense scrutiny in accordance with election laws. Bush won. Thank God that Gore did not win. Get over it.
lonewolf wrote:Iranian students had a comparable uprising in 1999, which is still celebrated by the expatriate community, but were brutally put down and hundreds/thousands are still political prisoners. My sources, direct from the streets in Iran, say that an overwhelming majority of Iranians, of all ages, would like to oust the mullahs and live in an open, free society in harmony with the rest of the world. Unfortunately, it is the hardline, medevialists who have the guns. Of course, that did not deter the overthrow of the Shah, so... stay tuned..
Iranians may want a free society, but even the most liberal pro-Western Iranians support the continuation of Iran's nuclear program.
jazzcyclist wrote: but even the most liberal pro-Western Iranians support the continuation of Iran's nuclear program.
Because they think its only for energy or they know its for bombs and want nucs?
Probably both, but I think it's more of prestige and nationalism thing. Why should some countries in the region be allowed to have nukes, including their mortal enemy, and not others? Mohamed Elbaradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency put it this way:
In areas of longstanding conflict like the Middle East, South Asia and the Korean Peninsula, the pursuit of weapons of mass destruction can be expected as long as we fail to introduce alternatives that redress the security deficit. We must abandon the unworkable notion that it is morally reprehensible for some countries to pursue weapons of mass destruction yet morally acceptable for others to rely on them for security and indeed to continue to refine their capacities and postulate plans for their use.
Apparently, Mousavi has called for a giant street demonstration for tomorrow
in Tehran and he is planning to be there. The demonstrations look plenty big enough today, and there are lots of reports of gunfire.
Whether that is allowed to take place tomorrow, or not, and the amount of violence involved, should give us insight into future possibilities.
The Iranian Men's Soccer/Football team all wore green armbands (in support of Mousavi) during the first half of their game in South Korea today,
but not during the second half.
jazzcyclist wrote: but even the most liberal pro-Western Iranians support the continuation of Iran's nuclear program.
Because they think its only for energy or they know its for bombs and want nucs?
Probably both, but I think it's more of prestige and nationalism thing. Why should some countries in the region be allowed to have nukes, including their mortal enemy, and not others? Mohamed Elbaradei, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency put it this way:
In areas of longstanding conflict like the Middle East, South Asia and the Korean Peninsula, the pursuit of weapons of mass destruction can be expected as long as we fail to introduce alternatives that redress the security deficit. We must abandon the unworkable notion that it is morally reprehensible for some countries to pursue weapons of mass destruction yet morally acceptable for others to rely on them for security and indeed to continue to refine their capacities and postulate plans for their use.
I understand the lodgic behind this but only a madman wants more countries in the middle east with nucs.
dal4018 wrote:Everyone is talking about the sham electoral process in Iran but no one has mentioned the equally sham elections that took place in Palestine that robbed Hezbollah it was just like the sham Presidential elections that took place in this country in '00 that robbed Gore of the Presidency in Florida.
Yes your right Jazz thanks forgot about you telling me earlier.Again I still say they should ask for a recount don't trust the jews for a split second.
So far, all geopolitical comments you have made were uninformed nonsense. Now it's bigoted nonsense.
