I have never felt so lied to and betrayed.
Good day to you sir!
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No, im a radical moderate, fiscally conservative, social liberal with a touch of Karl and Groucho Marx. Oh and anyone who wants to kill my fellow citizens... i want to blow them up. 
That is all...good day to you good woman!
Good thing John McCain isn't the Democratic nominee.
The oral office? The truth, SQUACKEE, was that a typo or deliberate humor?
With me, who knows! .....deliberate. 
Squakee, You have a great sense of humor and a good pick for VP, Grocho Marx:.. Those are my principles and if you don't like them, well , I have others.
Almost feel sorry for McCain at this point. Two weeks to go with no major gaffe by the Obama crew (and judging by The Man playing it so safe in the last debate, none to come), it's now glaringly obvious Rove and the GOP intelligencia have given up. Barring a last minute miracle, it's Obama's. I almost feel sorry for McCain because, of course, HE isn't giving up like those above and some of those around him. The proof of their "abandoning ship" is in the handling of Palin now. She is doing what is good for her, not the McCain campaign. Both she and her husband (he appeared at at an outdoors store here in Minnesota to say hi) are playing up the likeability component while the spotlight is still on her--all in preparation for her future in national GOP politics, probably by party honcho plan (by Rove, if no other; he believes he is a starmaker). If in doubt, consider: Of the four candidates, she already has far and away the greatest likeability. But she also has the least respect as far as credibility in potentially running the country. So do the GOP planners schedule photo-ops with her meeting pentagon generals, ecomomists, or anyone else who could show she has--or is at least striving to acquire--a deeper perspective/substance on the issues in order to help the McCain campaign? Nope. They encourage her to go on Saturday Night Live. Now, there's nothing wrong (and a lot right, actually) with appearing on SNL. But such appearances do only one thing: help increase likeability. Great stuff for policy-wonk candidates like Obama, Biden and McCain--shows they are real people who don't take themselves so seriously they can't laugh at themselves, take a hit, and have fun. But for Palin, showing a perceived policy lightweight having "more fun" when she needs to be more serious works against her. Unless... You are planning to show her strengths now (good looks, communication skills, likeability) while you have the camera's attention and are planning on periodic pieces during the next 2.5 years that progressively show her getting her hands dirty with serious policy subjects (i.e, trips overseas, etc.). Having fun on SNL will not change the minds of undecided voters, most of whom have named Palin as the second reason--right after McCain's response to the economic crisis--as to why they hesitate to vote for McCain. Those who already love her don't matter in the last month, it is those still on the fence that require a campaign's full attention. At his Minnesota appearance, her husband had next to nothing to say to help the McCain campaign. He did have a lot to do showing the people of Northern Minnesota how much he (and by extension, his wife) were "just like you guys." It's called laying the groundwork in a future swing state. Outside of Tipper Gore--who had already achieved national notoriety with her work concerning labling record albums with explicit song lyrics--the spouse of a VICE presidential candidate rarely campaigns, especially alone, or even is encouraged to do so, since they may distort the message and/or cause embarrassing gaffes that hurt the candidates. But if the whole idea is to play John the Baptist and prepare the masses for the future Big Event, then hey, just get out there and be friendly, there's no concern about causing harm. So say a big aw, shucks hello to Todd Palin, folks, here to keep the good feelings for his wife going strong so you have a warmth in your heart for her either 2.5 or 6.5 years from now. Meanwhile, the rug is slowly being pulled out from under McCain. The navy man will soon find himself the only one left on the sinking ship. The GOP heads know all too well the stats concerning a Democratic Party victory when the economy is bad; the Wall Street mess built the coffin, not being able to trip up Obama in the debates was the last handfull of of nails. And maybe a GOP loss isn't so bad this time around, they reluctantly rationalize...let the other guys clean up the mess while you regroup: The party attack dogs undermine, coffers are replenished, and the next candidate is groomed. McCain deserves better. But he has no one to blame but himself. Palin was his choice, and while Obama chose Biden, someone strong in an area wherein he was perceived to be relatively weak (foreign policy) in order to both shore up that "weakness" and later be better at the job of being president, McCain chose his VP candidate to energize the base and help win the election, period. For that decision alone, it can be argued--as many in the Republican party are now doing (including Colin Powell)--McCain doesn't deserve to win. I've said it earlier: This is not the same guy that was running in 2000. For whatever reason, his responses to situations and campaign decisions are dramatically different. A pity.
Its far from over, but McCain really misjudged the willingness of those female Hillary supporters to move to his side solely because he chose a woman. He (wrongly) believed the media hype concerning the extent of cracks within the Democratic party, and failed to respect the ability of Obama and his campaign to win over nearly every demographic - including those Hillary supporters who were very angry immediately after the primaries.
Feel free to disagree (as did TrakFan). It's just my opinion.
Or he's quoting Senator Beauregard Claghorn aka Kenny Delmar. 
"The character inspired the creation of one of the most popular of the Warners' cartoon characters, Foghorn Leghorn, who re-worked most of the originals material and style." imdb: It's A Joke, Son! (1947) ...and now, back to our regular scheduled program... cman
I do see McCain apparently being uncomfortable with his own campaign. Or at least the results of it (for example, having to correct the lady who thought Obama was an Arab). I assume the people around him are the ones that have made him appear a different candidate to 2000. As for Palin, while she may be grooming herself for four years time, is it not more likely she is grooming herself for a television show? After all, she already has TV experience, and it would be more lucrative.
I don't disagree. Earlier in this thread you'll see my comments concerning their lack of effort to win over Independent voters. Althugh McCain's base may not have been excited, they wouldn't have simply given away a vote to an "anti-American" "socialist" that "pals around with terrorists", who "is willing to lose a war to win the presidnecy" on Nov 4th. My comments should be seen as an additional misjudgement by the McCain campaign. What's really scary and sad is that another elected official used all of those terms to describe his opponent.
Must be open season on Republicans on the forum. I know I should leave well enough alone but Brian's disseration comes across as a thinly disguised dismissal of both the quality and chances of the Republican ticket which I felt obliged to challenge.
I concede that McCain, a weak nominee selected by the MSM for that very reason, is a lousy speaker and debater and has run an unbelievably inept campaign but hope springs eternal that on November 4 people will vote for character, issues and principles, not oratory. Granted, I may be over estimating the perspicacity of the voters.
You may be right. I did mention "barring a miracle", so I am acknowledging the possiblility of a McCain win. But it would take a miracle, down this much with no solid plan to get back up there except either an opponent screw-up or an Right Wing epiphany from a majority of undecided voters--both of which, to me, at least, constitutes a minor miracle at this stage. Sorry if I offended you; I'm not really taking a shot here, it's just that the GOP ticket is at a disadvantage now so it seems like it. I'm just making observations on how (to me) things are shaping up now, with two weeks to go, as far as the journey itself. Glad you challenged the notion all may be lost. That's called faith. Something everyone should have.
I hear she will be co-hosting a reality show with Gabe: http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... hp?t=33417 Working title is "On the Road, Lock & Load." :]
Yes, i love Groucho, he played a scoundrel which is perfect for politics and i recently saw a scene from one of his movies that proves he his fiscally responsible. Groucho enters a hotel lobby with 10 suitcases. Tip time has arrived and he asks the 10 porters if they have change for a dime. When they shake their heads he says " Keep the luggage!" 
I don’t think its open season on the Republicans, but there is a lot of disappointment and anger from all sides concerning the tone of McCain’s campaign. A very popular Republican, Colin Powell, summed it up very well when he mentioned that their message has become “increasingly narrower” over the last couple of months. He specifically mentioned hearing certain things from senior members of his party concerning many of the issues that have pushed him and others away from this candidate, and his the party.
Have you considered that many people who put character, issues and principles first, may end up choosing the candidate who just happens to have the superior oratory skills? Remember, not everyone prioritizes the same issues or has the same principles. Personally, I think that McCain's problem was that he wasn't able to secure his base in the primary the way Obama was, and instead of running to the middle in the general election, he's had to run to the right. It seems like the base in both parties expect candidates to prove that you're one of them in the primary, and then they'll forgive you for anything you say in the general election as just hollow rhetoric that's necessary to get votes from the middle. Obama resisted pressure from Democrats to pick Hillary and chose a running mate that would help him appeal to the middle, but McCain succumbed to pressure from Republicans in order to appease his base. The ironic thing is that I think the McCain of 2000 vintage could have beaten Obama, but unfortunately, that McCain could never get the Republican nomination. Last edited by jazzcyclist on Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
did you actually say anything?
ditto and McCain rushing back to DC.
Yes. He said it all.
He could still win, but your reply confirms the issue/problem with his campaign
The McCain of 2000 was the true Maverick. Now he's turned into a pander bear.
During the 1988 Demo primaries, Bruce Babbitt appeared on SNL in a skit. He stands in an express check-out line of the supermarket allowing up to six items with seven in his cart. A confrontation follows, leading to his arrest. Hilarious!
You might be able to locate it. It looks like they have clips from several decades: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/
One (conservative) critic's take on the choice of Palin:
http://www.thestarpress.com/article/200 ... 04/0/RSS01
A paid McCain/Palin consultant (who is also a feminist Dem) says Palin is a brainiac: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... -brainiac/
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Please don't capitulate on behalf of a considerable slice of the populace that doesn't agree with your assessment.