The VP Gaffe Over & Under


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Postby TrakFan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:49 am

paulthefan wrote:If in the last few weeks the GOP is able to "make Bill Ayers his running mate" we could see Obama in a severe tail spin. Just a remote possibility and something to ponder as we go into the final 3 weeks.


I think that would be much more effective if the McCain campaign had also focused on defining who HE was in the early part of the campaign. As I mentioneded earlier, both campaigns have done an effective job of defining the other candidate. However, the strategy you mention doesnt take into account that people still need a reason to choose the supposed "good guy". Other than the fact that many voters are intelligent enough to check facts, the supposed "bad guy" has done an effective job of taking out his own "good guy" insurance early in the campaign.

I'm still scratching my head at this and other McCain Campaign strategies that have failed to attract those Independent voters. This strategy excites the GOP base, and work for those who would lean that way anyway. But, it has been shown (during this Election) to REALLY turn off TRUE Independent voters. If there is any group that has a disdain for the traditional partisan bickering/name-calling/not getting anything done due to distraction, its the Independents.
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Postby racewalker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:48 am

McCain may come out of this whole thing as a figure out of a Greek tragedy, reminiscent of the old saying "Whom the gods would destroy, they first call to greatness." His gross negativity, questionable choices and campain tactics that feel so desperate may very well negate his prior image of a thoughtful man of integrity. Sad.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:22 am

racewalker wrote:McCain may come out of this whole thing as a figure out of a Greek tragedy, reminiscent of the old saying "Whom the gods would destroy, they first call to greatness." His gross negativity, questionable choices and campain tactics that feel so desperate may very well negate his prior image of a thoughtful man of integrity. Sad.

I still give McCain credit for refusing to play the Reverend Wright card, which Hillary played from the bottom of the deck. And last Friday, he adamantly corrected his supporters who tried to smear Obama with the Arab/Muslim/terrorist label, as opposed to Hillary with her "as for as I know" comment. As a matter of fact, Hillary has stood on stage with people and watched people smear Obama and stood by and said nothing. Now that things are looking good for Obama, the Clintons have suddenly gotten off their behinds and are hitting the campaign trail to make sure that they get credit for helping the winning team.
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Postby Mennisco » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:14 am

Is Marina of "Hot for Words" Russian? Slavic? A relatively close neighbour of Palin['s sic?]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8rWViCixQ

Maybe she could help us understand the words wacky, independence, and party.....plus a little history on Alaska...
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Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:45 am

jazzcyclist wrote:And the most unfortunate thing about all the Arab/Muslim rumors about Obama is not that people are trying to cost Obama the election, it's that in 2008, people still feel comfortabe using the name of a ethnic or religious group as a perjorative. And I'm not blaming one party because it happened in both the democratic primary and the general election. And I also blame Obama and McCain for not telling their supporters that there's nothing wrong with being an Arab or a Muslim. And Hillary is a disgrace with her "as far as I know" comment. Because I'm Black, I don't get all of the emails that my White friends get smearing Obama with these Arab/Muslim rumors. But they've showed me a few of them and it's sickening that people who will say, "I don't have a racist bone in my body", will send that crap. Just think how people would react if John McCain was being smeared as being a Jew.

This is what I'm talking about! I couldn't have said it better.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/ ... nnSTCVideo
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Postby SQUACKEE » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:11 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:And the most unfortunate thing about all the Arab/Muslim rumors about Obama is not that people are trying to cost Obama the election, it's that in 2008, people still feel comfortabe using the name of a ethnic or religious group as a perjorative. And I'm not blaming one party because it happened in both the democratic primary and the general election. And I also blame Obama and McCain for not telling their supporters that there's nothing wrong with being an Arab or a Muslim. And Hillary is a disgrace with her "as far as I know" comment. Because I'm Black, I don't get all of the emails that my White friends get smearing Obama with these Arab/Muslim rumors. But they've showed me a few of them and it's sickening that people who will say, "I don't have a racist bone in my body", will send that crap. Just think how people would react if John McCain was being smeared as being a Jew.

This is what I'm talking about! I couldn't have said it better.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/ ... nnSTCVideo


I would have no problem voting for a Muslim President if he /she shared my values.
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Postby Mennisco » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:20 am

SQUACKEE wrote:I would have no problem voting for a Muslim President if he /she shared my values.


What, you show your face in public? :P

Where's the Mosque Lady when you need her? Dead in Denmark, most likely.

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Postby paulthefan » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:12 am

jazzcyclist wrote:Now that things are looking good for Obama, the Clintons have suddenly gotten off their behinds and are hitting the campaign trail to make sure that they get credit for helping the winning team.


Should we have expected otherwise after watching them for the past 16 years. Credit to Obama for holding his tongue countless times over the past 8 months while the wiley couple worked their magic.
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Postby rasb » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:24 pm

Turn out the lights - the party is over...
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Postby tandfman » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:33 pm

It ain't over 'till it's over.
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Postby paulthefan » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:05 pm

After answering Bill Sch. question Obama secured 99% of the public school teacher vote that is for sure.


Both McCain and Obama did well in the last debate. Two tough competitors, if they were track athletes, Id call McCain a javelin thrower and Obama either a race-walker or a marathoner. Very different temperaments.
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Postby gm » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:12 pm

paulthefan wrote:After answering Bill Sch. question Obama secured 99% of the public school teacher vote that is for sure.


When did the other 1% change sides? :lol:
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:59 pm

I thought it was interesting that when Bob Scheiffer asked them to compare VP candidates, Obama decided to take the pitch. I'm sure many of his supporters thought that was an 80 mph fastball right across the middle of the plate, belt high, and were expecting him to knock it out of the park.
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Postby TrakFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:19 am

jazzcyclist wrote:I thought it was interesting that when Bob Scheiffer asked them to compare VP candidates, Obama decided to take the pitch. I'm sure many of his supporters thought that was an 80 mph fastball right across the middle of the plate, belt high, and were expecting him to knock it out of the park.


His response, or lack of a critical response toward his opponent's running mate was very smart. He's the big dog (Presidential nominee), and doesn't need to belittle his position by starting a tit for tat with a little dog (VP nominee). And Palin would have LOVED for him to say something critical since it would give her more ammo to excite the base on the trail. Most importantly, it was smart to be non-critical since women make up the majority of the electorate, and they tend to vote more often than men. No need to unnecessarily tick some of them off. I'm sure his gracious response -- although she didn't deserve it based on what she's been saying about him -- won over some of those undecided female voters.
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Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:45 am

I received this in an e-mail today (wide distribution list). It illustrates the degree to which some people feel the need to demonize the opposition. I'm sure there are anti-McCain diatribes as equally objectionable:

the content was so stupid, I couldn't even bear to look at it any more!


I would put the author in MattM's category.
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Postby tandfman » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:12 am

Much more scary, and reprehensible, than that.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:34 am

TrakFan wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:I thought it was interesting that when Bob Scheiffer asked them to compare VP candidates, Obama decided to take the pitch. I'm sure many of his supporters thought that was an 80 mph fastball right across the middle of the plate, belt high, and were expecting him to knock it out of the park.


His response, or lack of a critical response toward his opponent's running mate was very smart. He's the big dog (Presidential nominee), and doesn't need to belittle his position by starting a tit for tat with a little dog (VP nominee). And Palin would have LOVED for him to say something critical since it would give her more ammo to excite the base on the trail. Most importantly, it was smart to be non-critical since women make up the majority of the electorate, and they tend to vote more often than men. No need to unnecessarily tick some of them off. I'm sure his gracious response -- although she didn't deserve it based on what she's been saying about him -- won over some of those undecided female voters.

You make a good point. Obama and Biden obviously made a decision to treat Palin with kid gloves. It makes you wonder how a female candidate would have treated Palin if she had been in Biden's position for the VP debate, or Obama's position when Schieffer posed that question last night.
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Postby Daisy » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:43 am

Marlow wrote:I received this in an e-mail today (wide distribution list). ...........I would put the author in MattM's category.


So what is the source? From an individual (such as Ann Coulter?) or from a group?
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Postby Mennisco » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:15 am

Captain Flyswatter's all over the place today....

:lol:
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Postby TrakFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:26 am

Mennisco wrote:Captain Flyswatter's all over the place today....

:lol:


Yes, you were a bad boy earlier today. But, it was caught early enouth to to be handled with a scalpel - instead of an ax :wink:
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:48 am

This will make your sad. There are plenty of villains involved in these smear tactics, but this lady seems like more of a victim. I guess it's easy to prey on the elderly and the uneducated.

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... -quinnell/
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Postby TrakFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:23 am

I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!
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Postby tandfman » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:25 am

Meanwhile, if you're plumber's name happens to be Joe, I hope your toilet isn't stuffed up because he's probably too busy today talking to journos, bloggers, and campaign aides. :)
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Postby paulthefan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:10 am

Daisy wrote:
Marlow wrote:I received this in an e-mail today (wide distribution list). ...........I would put the author in MattM's category.


So what is the source? From an individual (such as Ann Coulter?) or from a group?


Ann Coulter is far too intelligent to either write such dribble or respond to you, therefore I will step in. That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.
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Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:19 am

paulthefan wrote:That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

Oh, no - I actually recognized the source, whom I know to be conservative, but he's just a private citizen.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:20 am

paulthefan wrote:Ann Coulter is far too intelligent to either write such dribble or respond to you, therefore I will step in. That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

The folks at the Naional Review, not neessarily a liberal bastion, would beg to differ. Read what they said about her when they fired her.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mm ... FmZTYzZGQ=
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:25 am

Marlow wrote:
paulthefan wrote:That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

Oh, no - I actually recognized the source, whom I know to be conservative, but he's just a private citizen.


Good try, paul. Maybe you can try to spin this little gem from a southern California women's Republican group newsletter:

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http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor ... 67d4a.html
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Postby tandfman » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:34 am

TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!

It turns out that the guy they were talking about isn't a licensed plumber, and his name isn't Joe. I guess you can't believe anything these days. :roll:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... spotlight/
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Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:38 am

bad hammy wrote:
Marlow wrote:
paulthefan wrote:That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

Oh, no - I actually recognized the source, whom I know to be conservative, but he's just a private citizen.


Good try, paul. Maybe you can try to spin this little gem from a southern California women's Republican group newsletter:

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http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor ... 67d4a.html


I always suspected that Republicans are racist and now we have proof. :lol:
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Postby paulthefan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:50 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
paulthefan wrote:Ann Coulter is far too intelligent to either write such dribble or respond to you, therefore I will step in. That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

The folks at the Naional Review, not neessarily a liberal bastion, would beg to differ. Read what they said about her when they fired her.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mm ... FmZTYzZGQ=



You should read it before posting misinformation jazzc:

Of course, we would explain our decision to Ann, but the reality is that she's called the shots from the get-go. It was Ann who decided to sever her ties with National Review — not the other way around.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:00 pm

paulthefan wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:
paulthefan wrote:Ann Coulter is far too intelligent to either write such dribble or respond to you, therefore I will step in. That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

The folks at the Naional Review, not neessarily a liberal bastion, would beg to differ. Read what they said about her when they fired her.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mm ... FmZTYzZGQ=



You should read it before posting misinformation jazzc:

Of course, we would explain our decision to Ann, but the reality is that she's called the shots from the get-go. It was Ann who decided to sever her ties with National Review — not the other way around.

I don't post anything without reading it first and what misinformation are you talking about? Are you accusing Goldberg of misinformation? :?
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:46 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:
bad hammy wrote:
Marlow wrote:
paulthefan wrote:That Marlow message sounds so over the top it probably comes from the Dem side as a tool to incite exactly the reaction it is getting here.

Oh, no - I actually recognized the source, whom I know to be conservative, but he's just a private citizen.


Good try, paul. Maybe you can try to spin this little gem from a southern California women's Republican group newsletter:

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http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor ... 67d4a.html


I always suspected that Republicans are racist and now we have proof. :lol:

Probably just the distaff ones in southern California . . .
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Postby TrakFan » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:00 pm

tandfman wrote:
TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!

It turns out that the guy they were talking about isn't a licensed plumber, and his name isn't Joe. I guess you can't believe anything these days. :roll:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... spotlight/


And he hasnt been paying his tax bills? I'm going to reconsider my vote!

"America's Overnight Sensation Joe the Plumber Owes $1,200 in Taxes
Ohio Has a Lien on Him for Nearly $1,200 in Taxes "

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/stor ... 360&page=1
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Postby gh » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 pm

TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!


Ooops, Joe springs a bit of a leak!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 345D24.DTL
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:49 pm

gh wrote:
TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!


Ooops, Joe springs a bit of a leak!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 345D24.DTL

Uh, this may be the moderator gaffe over and under. A few of the previous posts have brought this info to light.
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Postby Mennisco » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:56 pm

TrakFan wrote:
Mennisco wrote:Captain Flyswatter's all over the place today....

:lol:


Yes, you were a bad boy earlier today. But, it was caught early enouth to to be handled with a scalpel - instead of an ax :wink:


Nobody can aim that well.
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Postby JRM » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:28 pm

gh wrote:
TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!


Ooops, Joe springs a bit of a leak!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 345D24.DTL


He also apparently owes back-taxes (apologizes if it was in the article).... and his name is apparently Sam, not Joe.
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Postby malmo » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:32 pm

gh wrote:
TrakFan wrote:I've changed my mind...I'm voting for Joe The Plumber!!!


Ooops, Joe springs a bit of a leak!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 345D24.DTL


He owes like a whole $1000 to the State of Ohio? Like perhaps had they sent the notices to his current address rather than like his old address, like they might have gotten paid? Like what the heck do the facts matter to a lynch mob, right?

Any word or Charlie Rangels and Al Frankens "leaks"?

What was that committee that Rangel heads?
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:43 pm

Here we go again. I guess some of us just can't resist stepping over the line. :(
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Postby malmo » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:49 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Here we go again. I guess some of us just can't resist stepping over the line. :(


With the race-baiting above that line was long ago crossed. This thread is another political thread and a patently partisan one from top to bottom.

Facts about Joe-the-Witch-burn-the-witch

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

If a delinquency notice goes unheeded, the Department of Taxation issues a billing notice, Kohlstrand said. If that is ignored, a more formal assessment notice is sent. Failing to appeal an assessment or losing an appeal puts the debt into the hands of the state attorney general for collection. The attorney general typically sends a collection notice and simultaneously files a lien.

``The taxpayers may not necessarily know about the lien,'' Kohlstrand said, although they would receive other notices.

"In Wurzelbacher's case, the lien indicated that the notice was sent to a previous address in Toledo."


Ray Ann Estep, section chief for revenue-recovery services for the Ohio attorney general, said Wurzelbacher's lien was filed six months after the Department of Taxation certified the debt for collection.

``Unfortunately, sometimes people don't resolve their debts as quickly as we would like them to,'' she sai

Don't let the facts get in the way of another witch hunt.
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