RIP: Pete Seeger, 94


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RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby tandfman » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:12 pm

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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby gh » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:03 am

wow… Sunday afternoon the Beauteous Babs and I were driving down the road and the radio played a version of Where Have All The Flowers gone that I don't recall ever hearing before, by Johnny Rivers (!). We both instantly tabbed it as something we knew by the Kingston Trio, but then I mentioned it had been written by Pete Seeger and said, "he must be 90 by now, if he's still alive."

Remind me not to say that again.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby kuha » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:45 am

I went to a children's concert he gave, ca. 1962 or so, and I've never forgotten it. A remarkable life and career.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby KDFINE » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:14 am

94 and active to the very end. I don't know if it happened, but on January 17th he was supposed to join Tom Paxton in Paxton's concert at Symphony Space in Manhattan. A life well lived.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby jeremyp » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:16 am

When I was in college in New Hampshire I heard Seeger was going to do an impromptu performance at his daughter's college nearby. He performed for 2 hours to about 40-50 people Ina small room in a local inn. I'll never I forget it. In my Freshman year The Weavers performed at the college but I didn't go because I was fresh from England and had no clue about who they were. Lyrics meant something in folk music.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby Dixon » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:12 am

NETFLIX has a cool documentary about that Greenwich Village scene back in the day, Pete Seeger a major player. A must for any fans of Seeger/folk.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby Walt Murphy » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:21 pm

KDFINE wrote:94 and active to the very end. I don't know if it happened, but on January 17th he was supposed to join Tom Paxton in Paxton's concert at Symphony Space in Manhattan. A life well lived.


Paxton and Seeger in 1964 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba1_1299372519

Paxton on Seegerhttp://www.tompaxton.com/pete-seeger/

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/jan/28/pete-seeger-five-great-performances includes links to five performances by Seeger
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby jhc68 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXnJVkEX8O4
Seeger at his most influential: Waist Deep in the Big Muddy.
He got more media play after being censored by the network on the Smother's Brothers show than for any other performance.
My mom loved the Weavers and as a result I've heard Seeger literally since earliest childhood.
Remarkable personality... he clearly wanted to be on stage and influence the audience but was also eager to push others to the forefront. One of a kind
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby BillVol » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:54 pm

http://blogs.metropulse.com/the_daily_p ... and-w.html

http://highlandercenter.org/

The civil rights anthem "We Shall Overcome" has roots with Seeger and in Tennessee, from what I understand. From what I can tell, that song more or less evolved, but it appears to have been completed at the Highlander School in Monteagle, not far from the beautiful U. of the South campus. MLK, Rosa Parks, other well known civil rights activists visited Highlander. The school is now located outside of Knoxville.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:13 pm

When I was growing up I listened to folk music more than pop music until the mid-60s. Peter Seeger, et al., were a key reason (the other is the pop music got much better in the second half of the 60s for me).

He was born a few days after my mom and died the same date (i.e., day of year), but a couple of years later; he was a favorite of hers and gave my kids a book of songs and stories of his to our kids.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby user4 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:24 am

Pete Seeger; A true believer in the communist ideal and a genuine anti-capitalist that only amassed millions of dollars in royalty fees from various songs written by others. A towering moral giant of the times he was able to recognize Uncle Joe Stalin as a killer even as early as 2007.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby BillVol » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:50 am

user4 wrote:Pete Seeger; A true believer in the communist ideal and a genuine anti-capitalist that only amassed millions of dollars in royalty fees from various songs written by others. A towering moral giant of the times he was able to recognize Uncle Joe Stalin as a killer even as early as 2007.


Good one!
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby jeremyp » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:52 am

And then there's something closer to the truth.
But in fact, Mr. Seeger, 87, made such statements years ago, at least as early as his 1993 book, “Where Have All the Flowers Gone?” In the book, he said in a 1995 interview with The New York Times Magazine, he had apologized “for following the party line so slavishly, for not seeing that Stalin was a supremely cruel misleader.
” NY Times

Seeger declined royalties, just as he insisted that royalties be paid to others when he found out that “Wimoweh” wasn’t a traditional song, and again when researchers unearthed a previously unknown co-author of “We Shall Overcome.” Who does that? We called Pete and he said, “Sure, I’ll be there.” A half hour later the phone rang. Pete wanted to know if it would be possible to reimburse him for gas! When told we intended to pay him, Pete had three demands: mail the check to his wife Toshi, don’t tell him the amount, and “make sure it’s not too much.”
http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=17589
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby user4 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:01 pm

jeremyp wrote:
Seeger declined royalties, just as he insisted that royalties be paid to others when he found out that “Wimoweh” wasn’t a traditional song, a....


Wow, that great news must be the reason why the widow of the author of the original is living in a shanty town in South Africa . Im sure she could gives heartfelt thanks to Pete Seeger for his strict adherence to communism. All the animals are equal, some are more equal than others.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby kuha » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:09 pm

user4 wrote:Pete Seeger for his strict adherence to communism.


The rest of us are living in 2014. How is 1955 treating you?
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby user4 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:15 pm

kuha wrote:
user4 wrote:Pete Seeger for his strict adherence to communism.


The rest of us are living in 2014. How is 1955 treating you?


I was born in 1964 . Thanks for asking . I guess if Pete Seeger as a millionaire could break out of the spell of Stalin's totalitarian statism by 2007 there may be hope for all of us in 2014. Keep hope alive.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby lonewolf » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:22 pm

I had never heard of Pete Seeger until he died so I had/have no knowledge of his political leanings or economic circumstances.. but I am aggravated by the hypocracy of wealthy celebrities/politicians/who rail against the "rich".
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby Pego » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:32 pm

lonewolf wrote:I had never heard of Pete Seeger until he died so I had/have no knowledge of his political leanings or economic circumstances.. but I am aggravated by the hypocracy of wealthy celebrities/politicians/who rail against the "rich".


Fair enough. Are you equally aggravated by hypocrisy of "family values" politicians when their moral failings are exposed?
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby kuha » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:13 pm

user4 wrote:
kuha wrote:
user4 wrote:Pete Seeger for his strict adherence to communism.

The rest of us are living in 2014. How is 1955 treating you?


I was born in 1964 . Thanks for asking . I guess if Pete Seeger as a millionaire could break out of the spell of Stalin's totalitarian statism by 2007 there may be hope for all of us in 2014. Keep hope alive.


He was a card-carrying communist in the late 30s and for most of the 40s (when this was not an uncommon thing in leftist circles in the US), then by his own words "drifted away" from the party in the late 40s and early 50s--before Khruschev's denunciation of Stalin's many crimes. After that point, Seeger was an active liberal/socialist--again a category that was far more common then than now. He refused to testify to the HUAC committee--a stance of great integrity--and was blacklisted for many years thereafter. I have no idea what your 2007 reference is, and no idea if he was a millionaire or not; I certainly don't get the sense that he ever lived like one (whatever stereotype that might be).

As I noted above, to slam him for (actually) being a Communist 70 years ago seems to me to be a 1955 thing, and not particularly interesting or relevant today.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby gh » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:14 pm

Seeger to the Un-American Affairs morons in '55:

<<"I decline to discuss, under compulsion, where I have sung, and who has sung my songs, and who else has sung with me, and the people I have known. I love my country very dearly, and I greatly resent this implication that some of the places that I have sung and some of the people that I have known, and some of my opinions, whether they are religious or philosophical, or I might be a vegetarian, make me any less of an American. I will tell you about my songs, but I am not interested in telling you who wrote them, and I will tell you about my songs, and I am not interested in who listened to them.">>
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby user4 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:34 pm

kuha wrote:
user4 wrote:
kuha wrote:
user4 wrote:Pete Seeger for his strict adherence to communism.

The rest of us are living in 2014. How is 1955 treating you?


I was born in 1964 . Thanks for asking . I guess if Pete Seeger as a millionaire could break out of the spell of Stalin's totalitarian statism by 2007 there may be hope for all of us in 2014. Keep hope alive.


He was a card-carrying communist in the late 30s and for most of the 40s (when this was not an uncommon thing in leftist circles in the US), then by his own words "drifted away" from the party in the late 40s and early 50s--before Khruschev's denunciation of Stalin's many crimes. After that point, Seeger was an active liberal/socialist--again a category that was far more common then than now. He refused to testify to the HUAC committee--a stance of great integrity--and was blacklisted for many years thereafter. I have no idea what your 2007 reference is, and no idea if he was a millionaire or not; I certainly don't get the sense that he ever lived like one (whatever stereotype that might be).

As I noted above, to slam him for (actually) being a Communist 70 years ago seems to me to be a 1955 thing, and not particularly interesting or relevant today.


Some folk out there might think that the near perfect and complete rhetorical and ideological devotion to the totalitarian confiscation of wealth by a man who simultaneously was acquiring vast wealth would be interesting to some and even perhaps relevant to us shaping a proper hagiography. We are here to serve.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby lonewolf » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:37 pm

Pego wrote:
lonewolf wrote:I had never heard of Pete Seeger until he died so I had/have no knowledge of his political leanings or economic circumstances.. but I am aggravated by the hypocracy of wealthy celebrities/politicians/who rail against the "rich".


Fair enough. Are you equally aggravated by hypocrisy of "family values" politicians when their moral failings are exposed?

Yes.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby kuha » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:45 pm

user4 wrote:Some folk out there might think that the near perfect and complete rhetorical and ideological devotion to the totalitarian confiscation of wealth by a man who simultaneously was acquiring vast wealth would be interesting to some and even perhaps relevant to us shaping a proper hagiography. We are here to serve.


Maybe its not too late for you to volunteer for that HUAC committee. You will love it.
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Re: RIP: Pete Seeger, 94

Postby jeremyp » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:48 pm

kuha wrote:
user4 wrote:Some folk out there might think that the near perfect and complete rhetorical and ideological devotion to the totalitarian confiscation of wealth by a man who simultaneously was acquiring vast wealth would be interesting to some and even perhaps relevant to us shaping a proper hagiography. We are here to serve.


Maybe its not too late for you to volunteer for that HUAC committee. You will love it.

:D :lol:
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