WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing


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WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby gh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:27 am

link to long story posted on front page.

May have been big holes in the program leading into London...
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:00 am

well, that was a well executed hatchet job on jamaica, lol.

the problem i have with the article is that it focuses on the well known problems leading up the the olympics and ignores the significant improvements since then. why not look at the numbers leading up to the recently concluded world championships? also, it is not a surprise that wada will be auditing jamaica -- they didn't really have much choice once that sports illustrated article was written. what is surprising is that jadco is seeking to delay the audit.

random observations: herb elliott is incompetent and should be fired. he doesn't even have the proper narrative -- yes, the journalist obviously included the parts of the interview that are unfavorable to ellliott. but why did he make personal attacks on shirley without being able to rebut her story? and the subsequent evasiveness when pressed for the facts . . .

if safp's estimate was anywhere close to being true, then what safp's manager did is baffling. its a good thing if she can show that she was tested 18 times in one year. why keep it a secret once she has given a number?

bolt's team, as usual, is better. he doesn't act as if the doping question is out of line (even if he is irritated by it) and he acts as if he is so unperturbed by the testing and that is happens so frequently, that he doesn't really keep track of it at all.

finally, the iaaf needs to be more proactive in defending the sport. why not disclose the actual number of ooc tests bolt and company had leading up to the olympics?
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby toyracer » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:20 am

I really hope that someone in JADCO will competently present the testing figures plus emphasize the impact of a government underfunded Financial Year and its effects on a Calendar Year. This topic has already been covered extensively here in another thread, but it is very relevant and important in the whole scheme of things.

maroon, your observations are right on point.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:52 am

toyracer wrote:I really hope that someone in JADCO will competently present the testing figures plus emphasize the impact of a government underfunded Financial Year and its effects on a Calendar Year.
You can't stop testing your own athletes for a longer period of time, no matter what the reason is, especially not before OGs. And if they didn't have money for tests at the beginning of the year i wouldn't call that underfunding, i would call that a breakdown. When did they plan the budget for 2012, it should have been obvious right from the start that there would be a problem and did they make that public then?
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby don1 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:36 am

I am actually looking forward to WADA coming to Jamaica to do their investigation. This issue needs to be put to rest once and for all, rather than assertions being cast on all athletes from one country.

It's not enough to say if they are doing very well, they must be cheating. Actually, it's irresponsible.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:36 am

It's pretty clear that Jamaica had more interest in saving face than seeking help from the relevant groups so that they could test out of competition. That WADA wasn't even aware that the Jamaican testing apparatus had no money is cause for sanctions by itself.

Fire the incompetents currently working there.
Hire Dick Pound.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:40 am

gh wrote:link to long story posted on front page.

May have been big holes in the program leading into London...


UK Telegraph report a 6 month hole in testing.

I've been a Jamaican athletics fan but this is disgraceful and a bloody joke if true. It can only make you question their performances.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:33 am

so, what has happened since this article was published? like i said, a hatchet job.

Howman said there are "no current issues" with Jamaica but Wada will visit the country and maintain checks.

Howman said: "We have had several responses from Jamaica including a personal response from the prime minister. She is very interested in anti-doping issues and it shows their commitment to deal with this, and we will visit again for further discussions.

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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby JWiz » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:48 pm

As incompetent as Elliot is, he makes a good point. What exactly did they audit when they said Jamaica's testing was acceptable? Now that the SI article came out, they're looking just as useless and sensationalizing this whole fiasco to cover up for their own shortcomings. "Extraordinary" audit, Ban Jamaica from the Olympics :roll:

Something stinks to high heaven and it's not just JADCOs lax testing.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby toyracer » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:13 pm

norunner wrote:
toyracer wrote:I really hope that someone in JADCO will competently present the testing figures plus emphasize the impact of a government underfunded Financial Year and its effects on a Calendar Year.
You can't stop testing your own athletes for a longer period of time, no matter what the reason is, especially not before OGs. And if they didn't have money for tests at the beginning of the year i wouldn't call that underfunding, i would call that a breakdown. When did they plan the budget for 2012, it should have been obvious right from the start that there would be a problem and did they make that public then?


The budget for Financial Year 2011 - 2012 was presented in Parliament in April 2011. It was known from then that the budget for JADCO's 2011-2012 Financial Year would be only US$62,000. What further impacted the operations of JADCO during the early 2012 Calendar year is that he government presented Financial Year 2012 - 2013 one month late, so financial year 2011 - 2012 was in fact thirteen months. The result is that JADCO was severely underfunded in the first half the 2012 Calendar Year.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby gh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:28 pm

Not sure why SI keeps getting dragged into this: the cat was out of the proverbial bag the minute that Shirley wrote her letter to The Gleaner.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:02 pm

toyracer wrote:The budget for Financial Year 2011 - 2012 was presented in Parliament in April 2011. It was known from then that the budget for JADCO's 2011-2012 Financial Year would be only US$62,000. What further impacted the operations of JADCO during the early 2012 Calendar year is that he government presented Financial Year 2012 - 2013 one month late, so financial year 2011 - 2012 was in fact thirteen months. The result is that JADCO was severely underfunded in the first half the 2012 Calendar Year.
How do you run an anti-doping agency with 62000 USD per year? That's 5000 a month for salaries, travel expenses, testing costs, equipement and so on.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby shearer39 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:18 pm

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You fund an agency with only US$62,000 when 70 cents out of every dollar you earn goes towards paying off debt that is 150 per cent of GDP. That's how. There is no money to fix roads and perform the most basic of social services. And then with a rapidly depreciating currency the challenges can become extremely enormous.

There is also something that is being overlooked here. IAAF did do testing during that period in Jamaica.

The other thing is there is nothing extraordinary about his audit because the Prime Minister wrote a letter to the IAAF and WADA in early August inviting them to come take a look. WADA replied and said they were sending a team in October and asked for the necessary arrangements to be made. It is against this background that this AP story bothers me, a lot.

It almost seems as if someone is out to get Jamaica because it has succeeded these past few years. Yes, there have been a number of AAFs and that is great cause for concern but everybody is behaving as if Jamaica only started winning medals in 2008. We sent 12 people to London in 1948 and won a gold medal. We sent a similar number to Helsinki in 52 and won two gold medals and a silver. Look at the ratios now compared to then and tell me if two or three additional gold medals more than 60 years later is anything alarming.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:01 pm

shearer39 wrote:You fund an agency with only US$62,000 when 70 cents out of every dollar you earn goes towards paying off debt that is 150 per cent of GDP. That's how. There is no money to fix roads and perform the most basic of social services. And then with a rapidly depreciating currency the challenges can become extremely enormous.

There is also something that is being overlooked here. IAAF did do testing during that period in Jamaica.

The other thing is there is nothing extraordinary about his audit because the Prime Minister wrote a letter to the IAAF and WADA in early August inviting them to come take a look. WADA replied and said they were sending a team in October and asked for the necessary arrangements to be made. It is against this background that this AP story bothers me, a lot.

It almost seems as if someone is out to get Jamaica because it has succeeded these past few years. Yes, there have been a number of AAFs and that is great cause for concern but everybody is behaving as if Jamaica only started winning medals in 2008. We sent 12 people to London in 1948 and won a gold medal. We sent a similar number to Helsinki in 52 and won two gold medals and a silver. Look at the ratios now compared to then and tell me if two or three additional gold medals more than 60 years later is anything alarming.
You cannot claim your athletes are clean if you don't do regular testing and you certainly can't leave that up to the IAAF and WADA because they are responsible for a lot of countries. Of course lack of testing doesn't mean athletes are cheating but it does show you are not taking anti-doping measures serious.
As for statistics, by selecting the right numbers you can proof almost anything, for example:
The number of jamaican male among the top 40 in the 80s:
81: 1
82: 0
83: 1
84: 2
85: 1
86: 0
87: 2
88: 2
89: 2
90: 3

In 1982 there were only 2 jamaicans in the top 100, the fastest jamaican that year ran a 10.32.
Compare that to 2012: 11 among the top 40, 20 among the top 100.
Doesn't mean anyone's cheating, but it does show a huge change compared to the past. And with so many world class athletes you need a comprehensive testing program.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby gh » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:07 pm

new story now on front page: IAAF says it's not concerned about WADA's visit, expresses confidence in the amount of testing done on Jamaicans.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:11 pm

Wait, why can't JADCO host them this year?
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:52 pm

gh wrote:new story now on front page: IAAF says it's not concerned about WADA's visit, expresses confidence in the amount of testing done on Jamaicans.


they must be reading this thread. hello iaaf. lol. but that is exactly what was needed -- thanks. no more quotes from dr. elliott please.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:45 pm

Before the haters get a little bit too excited by the possible WADA visit to Jamaica, the IAAF has said "repeatedly" that it is totally satisfied with the drug testing program in Jamaica.

Chris Tucker from the IAAF said today that the IAAF conducted 126 drug tests of Jamaican athletes last year in their registered testing program. He said on a per capita basis, Jamaica had the highest percentage of drug testing done from any nation on earth including surpassing the United States.

Jamaican athletes are tested reguarly by WADA, IOC, JADCO and the IAAF.

More than 95% of Jamaican athletes testing positive in the past few years tested positive in Jamaica. Drug samples are not tested in Jamaica. They are only collected there and sent to the IAAF/WADA lab in Montreal and thus, no way Jamaica can "cover up " positive tests as some folks have insinuated in the past.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby shivfan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:34 pm

Cue the typical over-reactions to this story....Why does this messageboard never surprise me?
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"Prime Minister and Minster of Sport, Portia Simpson Miller says that the Government welcomes the World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) visit to the island, adding that the organisation was invited from early August. According to a release from the Office of the Prime Minister (OPM) late Monday, Simpson Miller extended this invitation on August 5, in a letter to IAAF President, Lamine Diak, which was copied to the President of WADA, John Fahey."

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Gov ... --OPM-says

'“Such a visit is welcomed, as Jamaica seeks to maintain its unwavering commitment to integrity in sport. We are happy for all the technical support WADA and the IAAF have provided and continue to provide in order that our systems will become first rate,” the Prime Minister said.'

All for the best....

IMHO, WADA should be the ones running drug-testing agencies world-wide, not individual governments. There is a vast difference between the financial resources of a USA and a UK vis-a-vis a Kenya and a Jamaica.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby Blues » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:47 pm

jamboy wrote:Before the haters get a little bit too excited by the possible WADA visit to Jamaica, the IAAF has said "repeatedly" that it is totally satisfied with the drug testing program in Jamaica.

Chris Tucker from the IAAF said today that the IAAF conducted 126 drug tests of Jamaican athletes last year in their registered testing program. He said on a per capita basis, Jamaica had the highest percentage of drug testing done from any nation on earth including surpassing the United States.

Jamaican athletes are tested reguarly by WADA, IOC, JADCO and the IAAF.


If I'm labeled a hater for saying this so be it, but the vast majority of drug testing of US athletes and athletes in many other nations is done by the national anti-doping organizations, not by the IAAF. So saying that Jamaica had a higher per capita drug testing rate (of its registered testing pool athletes) by the IAAF than "any nation on earth" doesn't mean very much if we don't know how many total times the athletes were tested (all testing agencies combined), and if we don't know how many of those tests were unannounced out-of-competition tests, and also how many of those out-of-comp tests were done during the most common periods for PED cycling as opposed to times when an athlete isn't likely to test positive... (For example, although the chances for a positive test are almost zero, a sample collected 12 hours and 1 second before a competition is considered an "out-of-competition test", as is a sample collected 1 second after the end of a competition, so obviously not all out-of-competition tests have the same efficiency when it comes to detecting possible PED use..)

Last year USADA alone tested many of the most elite US athletes more than 10 times each (For example, 21 for Ritzenheim, 18 for Jeter, 17 for Lagat and Rupp, 16 for Oliver and Richards-Ross, 15 for Dix, 14 for Felix, Gay, Lolo Jones, Spearmon, and Mike Rodgers, 13 for Gatlin and Ryan Bailey, 11 for LaShawn Merritt, 10 for Aries Merritt, etc...) IAAF, WADA, and others tested them additional times as well... So saying that the Jamaican athletes in the top 20 in their event were tested a total of 126 times by IAAF, (averaging about 6 times each, in and out of competition tests combined), may not necessarily mean as much as it appears to mean...
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby shivfan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:53 pm

gh wrote:new story now on front page: IAAF says it's not concerned about WADA's visit, expresses confidence in the amount of testing done on Jamaicans.


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/athl ... --spt.html

'The sport's world governing body said it was not concerned about the WADA visit or the testing of Jamaican athletes, including six times Olympic champion and double sprint world record holder Usain Bolt who has never failed a doping test. "It is abundantly clear that the testing of Jamaican athletes before London was extensive and thorough - and continues to be so today," International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) spokesman Chris Turner said in an email to Reuters. Turner said in 2012 Jamaica had 19 athletes in the IAAF registered testing pool (RTP) who were tested 126 times, an average of 6.63 tests for each athlete. By comparison, 43 U.S. athletes in the 2012 pool were tested 222 times, an average of 5.16. "Incidentally, Usain Bolt is one of the most tested athletes in the RTP and under the jurisdiction of the IAAF was tested over a dozen times in and out of competition in 2012." Turner said. Including all tests under the IAAF's jurisdiction, 37 Jamaican athletes were tested out of competition by the IAAF in 2012, Turner said, "a robust and comprehensive programme which concentrated on training camps and accounted for every top international athlete from that country".'

Kinda puts things in perspective, especially in relation to the original story....
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby Blues » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:45 pm

shivfan wrote:
gh wrote:new story now on front page: IAAF says it's not concerned about WADA's visit, expresses confidence in the amount of testing done on Jamaicans.


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/athl ... --spt.html

'The sport's world governing body said it was not concerned about the WADA visit or the testing of Jamaican athletes, including six times Olympic champion and double sprint world record holder Usain Bolt who has never failed a doping test. "It is abundantly clear that the testing of Jamaican athletes before London was extensive and thorough - and continues to be so today," International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) spokesman Chris Turner said in an email to Reuters. Turner said in 2012 Jamaica had 19 athletes in the IAAF registered testing pool (RTP) who were tested 126 times, an average of 6.63 tests for each athlete. By comparison, 43 U.S. athletes in the 2012 pool were tested 222 times, an average of 5.16. "Incidentally, Usain Bolt is one of the most tested athletes in the RTP and under the jurisdiction of the IAAF was tested over a dozen times in and out of competition in 2012." Turner said. Including all tests under the IAAF's jurisdiction, 37 Jamaican athletes were tested out of competition by the IAAF in 2012, Turner said, "a robust and comprehensive programme which concentrated on training camps and accounted for every top international athlete from that country".'

Kinda puts things in perspective, especially in relation to the original story....


As I previously posted though, it's primarily all about how frequently the athletes were tested by all testing agencies combined (not just the IAAF), as well as the number of unannounced out of competition tests along with the timing of those tests. If those statistics are ever released, it might be easier to try to put things in perspective when it comes to comparing the relative anti-doping efforts and/or efficacy in various nations.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:56 am

That IAAF statement is a very clever one. It doesn't say the IAAF is satisfied with the jamaican testing, it doesn't even mention a single test carried out by JADCO. All it really says is that the IAAF is satisfied with it's own testing of jamaican athletes. Contrary to that the WADA seems to indicate a problem with JADCO testing during a specific timeframe.
And jamboy, since you are so certain that everything is fine (as usual), maybe you can explain how you run an anti-doping agency on a budget of 62000 dollars?
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:05 am

shivfan wrote:Cue the typical over-reactions to this story....Why does this messageboard never surprise me?
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what over-reactions on the board? the story by an otherwise reputable journalistic entity was itself hyperbole. a few of us (including you now -- thanks for the link) pointed that out. to be fair, i think the reaction to this story has been mostly fair. the reactions to the asafa powell stimulant positive, however . . .
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby dustoff » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:25 am

Do you guys really trust the IAAF over WADA on this matter? The IAAF has no incentive to bust more athletes. Not long ago, there were reports of various officials within the IAAF being involved in cover-ups of athletes that tested positive (an Italian athlete IIRC). I don't really see how the IAAF's comments put anything at ease. It is no different than with Lance Armstrong where UCI was okay with him (at points) and USADA/WADA claimed shenanigans.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:57 am

blues -- i think shivfan's point is that things are/were not as dire as the original article made it seem. in fact, it was very easy to come away from the article with the impression that no jamaican athlete (including bolt) was tested at all ooc in the lead-up to the olympics.

also, we really need to acknowledge that jadco has limited funding. they shouldn't totally ignore bolt and the other athletes in the iaaf pool, but their focus should be on the "kemar bailey coles" and other athletes on the come up. jadco will never have the budget to test every elite athlete multiple times ooc so they will always be making decisions about how to allocate their limited resources.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby maroon » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:13 am

dustoff wrote:Do you guys really trust the IAAF over WADA on this matter? The IAAF has no incentive to bust more athletes. Not long ago, there were reports of various officials within the IAAF being involved in cover-ups of athletes that tested positive (an Italian athlete IIRC). I don't really see how the IAAF's comments put anything at ease. It is no different than with Lance Armstrong where UCI was okay with him (at points) and USADA/WADA claimed shenanigans.


i guess i spoke too soon. lol. my recollection is that the case you are talking about was abnormal results based on the blood passport program. they didn't have enough evidence to ban the athlete, a race walker, but he subsequently failed a test. his suspicious blood results is what alerted wada to target test him, ultimately resulting in the positive test that you now cite as evidence of a cover up.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:21 am

Which part of
1. The IAAF is satisfied with Jamaica’s drug testing program
2. The IAAF is satisfied that VCB’s test and treats it as minor.


don't you guys understand? This massive witchhunt of Jamaica and Jamaican athletes has to stop at some point. WADA visiting Jamaica is not going to find any “State sponsored” steriod labs as some posters have suggested in the past. They will find “nothing” out of the ordinary. Ms. Shirley who wrote an article (she was paid for it btw), was just a former incompetent employee of JADCO that was fired from her job and is seeking revenge on her employers.
Jamaica’s supremacy in the sprints will continue regardless of the current witchhunt.

Chris Tucker from the IAAF said today that the IAAF conducted 126 drug tests of Jamaican athletes last year in their registered testing program. He said on a per capita basis, Jamaica had the highest percentage of drug testing done from any nation on earth including surpassing the United States.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby JumboElliott » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:24 am

Is Herb Elliott a medical doctor?
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:47 am

JumboElliott wrote:Is Herb Elliott a medical doctor?



I believe so.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:48 am

jamboy wrote:Which part of
1. The IAAF is satisfied with Jamaica’s drug testing program
2. The IAAF is satisfied that VCB’s test and treats it as minor.


don't you guys understand? This massive witchhunt of Jamaica and Jamaican athletes has to stop at some point. WADA visiting Jamaica is not going to find any “State sponsored” steriod labs as some posters have suggested in the past. They will find “nothing” out of the ordinary. Ms. Shirley who wrote an article (she was paid for it btw), was just a former incompetent employee of JADCO that was fired from her job and is seeking revenge on her employers.
Jamaica’s supremacy in the sprints will continue regardless of the current witchhunt.

Chris Tucker from the IAAF said today that the IAAF conducted 126 drug tests of Jamaican athletes last year in their registered testing program. He said on a per capita basis, Jamaica had the highest percentage of drug testing done from any nation on earth including surpassing the United States.
Which part of 2012 do you not understand? If the IAAF is satisfied with the current jamaican testing program doesn't mean they were satisfied 2012. And 126 tests by the IAAF only means the IAAF did it's part, it does not in any way change the suspicion that JADCO did not test their athletes before the OGs in London.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby gh » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:55 am

Left unexplained at this point is when the IAAF tests were done. It says they concentranted on training camps. If that means the camps in Britain in the weeks before London, and the other IAAF tests (no matter how many there were) all came in the context of summer competitions, that then leaves the door open for the possibility of a long period during the off season when virtually no testing was done. And it's off-season where the biggest risk of abuse is found.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:15 am

Again, testing in Jamaica is carried out by multiple agencies at different times. JADCO, WADA, IOC and IAAF. Each entity sets up its own testing schedule.

To satisfy those who still believe “hanky panky” went on in Jamaica, all of the above entities need to reveal all of the testing done and their testing schedules for Jamaican athletes during all of the 2012 season. Hopefully if they do, this would end this massive ongoing witchhunt which I guarantee you will will lead to nothing.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby norunner » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:29 am

It's like a broken record. I wonder, if we play jamboy backwards, will we hear secret messages like "Usain was built in Area 51" ? 8-)
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby Blues » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:56 am

jamboy wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Is Herb Elliott a medical doctor?



I believe so.


Dr. Elliott has been the official Jamaican team doctor in the past, including at the Beijing Olympics.

Biography

Was born in Kingston, Jamaica. Son of Norman and Aida Elliot. He studied in Kingston College, where began in Athletics as a 10 years old, Philander-Smith College, Université de Bruxelles and University of the West Indies.

Vice President of Jamaica Sport Medicine Association, member of panel of physicians of JAAA, President of CACAC Medical Committee, member of IAAF and NACAC Medical Committee. In various capacities, as Jamaica’s Team Manager and or Team Physician, he has gone to several international competitions, from 1979.

Awarded Order of Distinction in the rank of Commander in 1997, the IAAF 75th Anniversary Award in 1997; Pan American Health Organization awarded for his efforts to promote “Tobacco Free Sports”. He was given the IOC Medal for his contribution to Boys Championships in Jamaica.
He is married to his wife Rita, and they both have a daughter, Stephanie.


Education:
Kingston College High School; Philander-Smith College: Bachelor of Science degree in Natural Science; Columbia University: Master in Chemistry; Université de Bruxelles: Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine; Doctor of Phylosophy in Bio Chemistry; University of the West Indies: Diploma in Child Health and Master in Public Health.

Organizations:
Vice President of the Jamaica Sports Medicine Association. President of CACAC Medical Committee. Member of IAAF and NACAC Medical Committee. Member Panel of Physicians: Athletics, Boxing, Football, Netball, Special Olympic Association. IAAF Doping Control Certificate.

Awards:
1979: Carrera Sports Foundation; 1987: IAAF 75th Anniversary; 1996: KC Old Boy Association; 1997: Commander of the Order of Distinction; PAHO: promotion of “Smoke-free sports”; IOC: medal for contribution to ISSA Boy’s champs.
Publications: Oral Dehydration: A new treatment of Diarrheal Disease; Injury and illness in HS: T&F participants in Jamaica.


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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:56 am

norunner wrote:It's like a broken record. I wonder, if we play jamboy backwards, will we hear secret messages like "Usain was built in Area 51" ? 8-)



In Jamaica, we have our own version of Area 51 where we build “super trackstars” :)
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby toyracer » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:23 am

norunner wrote:
toyracer wrote:The budget for Financial Year 2011 - 2012 was presented in Parliament in April 2011. It was known from then that the budget for JADCO's 2011-2012 Financial Year would be only US$62,000. What further impacted the operations of JADCO during the early 2012 Calendar year is that he government presented Financial Year 2012 - 2013 one month late, so financial year 2011 - 2012 was in fact thirteen months. The result is that JADCO was severely underfunded in the first half the 2012 Calendar Year.
How do you run an anti-doping agency with 62000 USD per year? That's 5000 a month for salaries, travel expenses, testing costs, equipement and so on.


Answer: you can't run it with US$62,000 for a year, much less the thirteen months that was the 2011-2012 Financial Year (May 2011 - May 2012) as a result of a late Budget presented in Parliament by the government. And it wasn't just the lack of funds in an extended Financial year; JADCO was faced with the situation of having test kits with expiry dates that had passed; they were unusable for testing purposes. It was a perfect storm of no funds and expired test kits that resulted in the lack of testing in the months before the London games.

For the 2012-2013 Financial Year (June 2012 - April 2013) the government presented a significantly larger budget for JADCO: US$550,000. The effects of this could be seen readily; test figures jumped dramatically in the months following the late start of the new Financial Year. When the increased Financial Year 2012-2013 money kicked in there was a corresponding increase in tests, both in-competition and out-of-competition and that carried for the entire Financial Year. It is equally important to note that Financial Year 2013-2014 has seen another rise in budget for JADCO, this time to US$630,000 and test figures released by JADCO indicate that testing is taking place at an again increased rate.

In the greater scheme of things the fuss is being made about a situation that no longer exists, a situation that occurred three Financial Years ago.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby jamboy » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:37 am

Blues,


Jamaica is a third world nation that lacks the financial resources to have a very comprehensive drug testing program that would satisfy YOU and thus, with the limited resources they have, they do the best they can. And therefore, that is why the IAAF,WADA and the IOC have their own drug testing program for Jamaica.

You cannot compare what is done in a 1st world with massive resources like the US and then, try to compare it and say that Jamaica(again a third world country with extremely limited resources) should do exactly the same or more. That is ludicrous. We do the best we can. The IAAF, WADA and the IOC do their part as well.
The IAAF and the IOC have billions of dollars in TV rights money in their coffers. If they so desire, they can setup up their own drug testing labs in Jamaica and test 24/7. Guaranteed however, they will not find anything more significant that what they find now.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby Pego » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:41 am

jamboy wrote:Which part of
2. The IAAF is satisfied that VCB’s test and treats it as minor.
don't you guys understand?


I will understand once I know what was the positive substance, one way or the other. Not before.
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Re: WADA launching probe into Jamaican testing

Postby Blues » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:52 am

jamboy wrote:Blues,


Jamaica is a third world nation that lacks the financial resources to have a very comprehensive drug testing program that would satisfy YOU and thus, with the limited resources they have, they do the best they can. And therefore, that is why the IAAF,WADA and the IOC have their own drug testing program for Jamaica.

You cannot compare what is done in a 1st world with massive resources like the US and then, try to compare it and say that Jamaica(again a third world country with extremely limited resources) should do exactly the same or more. That is ludicrous. We do the best we can. The IAAF, WADA and the IOC do their part as well.
The IAAF and the IOC have billions of dollars in TV rights money in their coffers. If they so desire, they can setup up their own drug testing labs in Jamaica and test 24/7. Guaranteed however, they will not find anything more significant that what they find now.


I understand that, but when push comes to shove, it still means that Jamaican athletes were most likely tested far less frequently than athletes in many other nations, especially out of competition, at least in 2012 and earlier. When you're producing some of the best athletes on the planet, that's bound to raise some eyebrows or be cause for concern, regardless of the reasons behind it, and regardless of whether every Jamaican athlete is innocent of any wrongdoing or not.

And only a madman would make your "guarantee", since it's impossible to know what every athlete is or is not doing, unless you have confidence that IAAF, IOC, WADA, etc. testing labs in Jamaica would be rendered ineffective for some reason... (wink)
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