Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO


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Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Rye Catcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:19 pm

I am perplexed about how the experienced pilot, (10,000 hours) who was flying the aircraft as part of his upgrade training to the 777 could get so far behind the power curve, low and slow, to the point that recovery was not possible. I saw some video that appears to show the aircraft kicking up a water wake before it contacts the rocks. The pilot got down to 102kts when he should have been at 137kts. Unforgivable.

What is even more troubling is having 3 other pilots on the flight deck who did not speak up when they had to know things were not right. I believe Asian culture, which has great respect for those who are more senior and are not taught to speak up are a secondary cause of this crash. American pilots are taught to speak up when they see something wrong.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:23 pm

I believe Asian culture, which has great respect for those who are more senior and are not taught to speak up

I have not read the details but wasn't this the co-pilot landing the plane, so there should have been a more senior voice in the cockpit?

I agree it is strange that he would have so little power. While he has not flown many 777's, I read that he has flown jumbo jets. Are these jets quite different in their flight characteristics?
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby jamal00005 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:28 pm

Daisy wrote:
I believe Asian culture, which has great respect for those who are more senior and are not taught to speak up

I have not read the details but wasn't this the co-pilot landing the plane, so there should have been a more senior voice in the cockpit?

I agree it is strange that he would have so little power. While he has not flown many 777's, I read that he has flown jumbo jets. Are these jets quite different in their flight characteristics?

I think so....the 777 is a bit knew and I guess the technology would be a bit more advanced than that of a 747 though it should have been a bit easier .I know that I'm treading on where i shouldn't but he was just a bit too slow in his descent from what I gathered and maybe it was just a mistake .Is he going to face jail time ?
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Rye Catcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:31 pm

The pilot landing the airplane was the co-pilot and had lots of hours in the 747 and had landed at SFO many times. He may have been senior to the 777 Captain in employment time and hours flown. He was no rookie. The captain's head is on the block also.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:41 pm

Rye Catcher wrote:He may have been senior to the 777 Captain in employment time and hours flown

I see, that might well have caused a problem with respect to the captain feeling like a back seat driver.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby uakari » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:09 pm

isn't it a bit too early for you to make such overly sweeping generalizations about what caused this???????????????
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Rye Catcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:16 pm

uakari wrote:isn't it a bit too early for you to make such overly sweeping generalizations about what caused this???????????????


Nothing points to any aircraft problems. The weather was perfect. We already have enough facts to say, 100% pilot error.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby uakari » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:20 pm

i'm referring to your reference to "asian culture". right now, we don't know what happened in the cockpit. unless you are a psychic...
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Rye Catcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:25 pm

uakari wrote:i'm referring to your reference to "asian culture". right now, we don't know what happened in the cockpit. unless you are a psychic...


When the cockpit tapes show no one speaking up, I will rest my case.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby uakari » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:31 pm

or maybe the cockpit tape will show them all chomping down on sushi and that's why they couldn't say anything?????
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Daisy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:33 pm

Have you read Malcolm Gladwell's book 'Outliers'? He has a chapter on this issue.

Here is an essay inspired by his book:
http://www.publicspeakingtoolkit.com/et ... ashes.html
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby Rye Catcher » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:49 pm

Daisy wrote:Have you read Malcolm Gladwell's book 'Outliers'? He has a chapter on this issue.

Here is an essay inspired by his book:
http://www.publicspeakingtoolkit.com/et ... ashes.html


Excellent and so true. I have been involved with that type of thing in my Air Force days as a navigator in the Douglas C-133A. I was not shy or quiet when I spoke up and as a result, I am still here.
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Re: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO

Postby gh » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:53 pm

oh, the burden of being a member of that truly superior white race....
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