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from Martina Navratallover

Postby mal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:37 pm

Yes I spelled it phonetically.

The gist of the article in the BBC is that she believes US males are soft, and have it too easy. (tennis players)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/23107044
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Marlow » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:00 pm

mal wrote:The gist of the article in the BBC is that she believes US males are soft

Oh dear, coming from HER, that takes on a whole new meaning . . .
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby mal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:23 pm

:mrgreen:
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby batonless relay » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:48 am

Marlow wrote:
mal wrote:The gist of the article in the BBC is that she believes US males are soft

Oh dear, coming from HER, that takes on a whole new meaning . . .

That's unfair, Marlow. Navratilova was a hell of tennis player BEFORE she completely upended women's tennis by training like an ...athlete! Completely transformed her body and I think for the better. I might have missed it but I didn't see in the article where she actually used the word "soft"; that's why "gist" was used.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Pego » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:00 am

This theme begs a question.
"Is it truly a US decline, or have other countries of the world emerged?"
This has happened in other sports. USA dominated basketball, swimming for example, but it is not nearly as dominant anymore.

As far as Martina is concerned, in pre-communist Czechoslovakia, tennis was a sport of the elites. Under communism it became attractive across the society's spectrum, all of a sudden there were tennis courts all over the place, not only at private clubs.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby tandfman » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:51 am

mal wrote:Yes I spelled it phonetically.

No, you didn't.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby dukehjsteve » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:41 am

Martina, of all people, should not care if a man is soft. lol
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Marlow » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:35 am

batonless relay wrote:That's unfair, Marlow. Navratilova was a hell of tennis player BEFORE she completely upended women's tennis by training like an ...athlete! Completely transformed her body and I think for the better. I might have missed it but I didn't see in the article where she actually used the word "soft"; that's why "gist" was used.

You mis-perceive: I loved her balls-to-the-wall brand of tennis.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby mal » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:40 pm

tandfman wrote:
mal wrote:Yes I spelled it phonetically.

No, you didn't.


:mrgreen:
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Marlow » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:11 pm

mal wrote:Yes I spelled it phonetically.

I've heard it 2 ways

nav-RAT-a-lo-va

NAV-ra-ta-lo-va

I'm guessing the first is the preferred.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby mump boy » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:12 am

Why are you spelling it phonetically (or not) anyway ?
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby tandfman » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:25 am

Marlow wrote:
mal wrote:Yes I spelled it phonetically.

I've heard it 2 ways

nav-RAT-a-lo-va

NAV-ra-ta-lo-va

I'm guessing the first is the preferred.

Why would anyone pronounce the third syllable as if the vowel were the letter "a"? Her name is Navratilova.
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Postby Marlow » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:51 am

tandfman wrote:Why would anyone pronounce the third syllable as if the vowel were the letter "a"? Her name is Navratilova.

because it's essentially a 'schwa', a place-keeping vowel.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby gh » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:35 pm

Marlow wrote:
mal wrote:Yes I spelled it phonetically.

I've heard it 2 ways

nav-RAT-a-lo-va

NAV-ra-ta-lo-va

I'm guessing the first is the preferred.


first syllable is always is always the stressed one in Czech.
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Postby Pego » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:54 pm

Is stress the same as accent? If yes, the long vowels (the accented ones) are the ones with emphasis. It is Navrátilová, so the second and the fifth syllable is long.

Marlow wrote:because it's essentially a 'schwa', a place-keeping vowel


I dont know what that means, but you pronounce it as a short i in English, plus the i softens the sound of t before it. The only way I can depict it is "tj".´
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Marlow » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:12 pm

Pego wrote:Is stress the same as accent? If yes, the long vowels (the accented ones) are the ones with emphasis. It is Navrátilová, so the second and the fifth syllable is long.
Marlow wrote:because it's essentially a 'schwa', a place-keeping vowel

I dont know what that means, but you pronounce it as a short i in English, plus the i softens the sound of t before it. The only way I can depict it is "tj".´

So Nav-RAH-tji-lo-VAH ?
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Pego » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:15 pm

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:Is stress the same as accent? If yes, the long vowels (the accented ones) are the ones with emphasis. It is Navrátilová, so the second and the fifth syllable is long.
Marlow wrote:because it's essentially a 'schwa', a place-keeping vowel

I dont know what that means, but you pronounce it as a short i in English, plus the i softens the sound of t before it. The only way I can depict it is "tj".´

So Nav-RAH-tji-lo-VAH ?


So far, this is the best :wink: .
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby mal » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:23 am

mump boy wrote:Why are you spelling it phonetically (or not) anyway ?


Probably to tease out those with no sense of humor. :lol:
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Postby mump boy » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:45 pm

mal wrote:
mump boy wrote:Why are you spelling it phonetically (or not) anyway ?


Probably to tease out those with no sense of humor. :lol:


Hilarious
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Postby lonewolf » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:32 pm

I have a long time friend in Dallas who lived next door to Martina and Nancy Lieberman when they were "housemates" and played basketball with/against them on their driveway.
He says she pronounces her name nav-ra-til-ova., with no emphasis on any syllable
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Postby Pego » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:41 am

lonewolf wrote:I have a long time friend in Dallas who lived next door to Martina and Nancy Lieberman when they were "housemates" and played basketball with/against them on their driveway.
He says she pronounces her name nav-ra-til-ova., with no emphasis on any syllable


This is actually a fairly common phenomenon of immigrants adjusting their names' pronunciation to fit English speakers. Even I have done so 8-) .
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Postby uakari » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:29 pm

dukehjsteve wrote:Martina, of all people, should not care if a man is soft. lol


wow.

nowhere in the article she uses the word "soft" and i guess it's so funny because she's a lesbian?

is this a HS locker room or what, except filled with all these old geezers.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby mump boy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:18 pm

uakari wrote:
dukehjsteve wrote:Martina, of all people, should not care if a man is soft. lol


wow.

nowhere in the article she uses the word "soft" and i guess it's so funny because she's a lesbian?

is this a HS locker room or what, except filled with all these old geezers.


This ^^
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby bambam » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:40 pm

Pego wrote:
lonewolf wrote:I have a long time friend in Dallas who lived next door to Martina and Nancy Lieberman when they were "housemates" and played basketball with/against them on their driveway.
He says she pronounces her name nav-ra-til-ova., with no emphasis on any syllable


This is actually a fairly common phenomenon of immigrants adjusting their names' pronunciation to fit English speakers. Even I have done so 8-) .


So is it

Peg-o

or

Pe-go
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby Pego » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:23 pm

bambam wrote:
Pego wrote:
lonewolf wrote:I have a long time friend in Dallas who lived next door to Martina and Nancy Lieberman when they were "housemates" and played basketball with/against them on their driveway.
He says she pronounces her name nav-ra-til-ova., with no emphasis on any syllable


This is actually a fairly common phenomenon of immigrants adjusting their names' pronunciation to fit English speakers. Even I have done so 8-) .


So is it

Peg-o

or

Pe-go


:D
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby tandfman » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:38 pm

Pego wrote:
lonewolf wrote:I have a long time friend in Dallas who lived next door to Martina and Nancy Lieberman when they were "housemates" and played basketball with/against them on their driveway.
He says she pronounces her name nav-ra-til-ova., with no emphasis on any syllable

This is actually a fairly common phenomenon of immigrants adjusting their names' pronunciation to fit English speakers. Even I have done so 8-) .

I've known athletes and others who did this when they were in English-speaking countries or speaking to English-speaking audiences.
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Re: from Martina Navratallover

Postby gh » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:27 pm

taking the train from Oslo to Bergen, and the conductor comes on and says, "the next stop will be burr-gin" and my wife says, I told you your pronunciation was wrong," and then he segues into "hoody hoody hidey [bad Norge imitation], bair-gen"
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