how good was David Beckham?


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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:17 am

I think Marlow is correct here. There is no doubt that posh was we'll known in the UK but I have never seen her on the radar screen here until they moved to LA. And then always as Beckham's wife.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:16 pm

Both sides are correct in their conviction.Has there been a sillier argument in the history of this board?
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:33 pm

In the US he did not even make her, she is not a particular entity at all. I can recognize her with him but not on her own, and I would guess that is true for most that can recognize her with him. Now maybe she 'made' him there and then as a result he was big here and so she had an indirect role, but to indicate that she made him here in any direct way is about as far off as many characterizations of 'non-standard' lifestyles by the religiously conservative subset in the US.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:28 pm

I agree this is possibly most stupid argument in the history of this board !!

There is no 'David Beckham' to to become famous in US without her creating the brand in the UK first.

Nobody is arguing that she is more famous than him in the US now but without her in the first place he wouldn't exist at all

He didn't arrive fully formed on american shores, he was a non descript, not very attractive, well known to sports fans but not to the wider public, shy footballer with a funny voice before getting engaged to her,

She turned this

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gua ... .--008.jpg

into this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/pictur ... ml?image=3

within 1 year

And you wouldn't believe the front page headlines a footballer wearing a sarong created !! (as was intended)

They didn't move to LA till '07 he had been world famous for 10 years before then and it wasn't because of his football skills. By the time you'd heard of him, his fame had eclipsed hers, of course but that doesn't mean it wasn't her who created it in the first place. If he'd married someone not in the public eye he would not be in the position he is now. He is a willing construct of his wife and more importantly Simon Fuller and the seed of it all comes from his marriage.

Why any of you think you have the inside track on British celebrity culture is beyond me, i promise you Flump and i know more about it than all of you put together
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby gh » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:01 pm

mump boy wrote:I...
Why any of you think you have the inside track on British celebrity culture is beyond me, i promise you Flump and i know more about it than all of you put together


that may well be, but on the other side of the coin is your apparent lack of understanding of who is hip on this side of the pond.

(and if "celebrity culture" isn't a self-cancelling phrase, I don't know what is!)
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:03 pm

mump boy wrote:Nobody is arguing that she is more famous than him in the US now but without her in the first place he wouldn't exist at all

Not quite true, as you were citing all her record sales in the US. I agree she transformed him into to something that LA finds chic.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby bambam » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:23 pm

Maybe we should start a new thread about what was the stupidest argument ever on this board?
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:44 pm

bambam wrote:Maybe we should start a new thread about what was the stupidest argument ever on this board?

:D the only thing stupider than talking about stupid stuff is talking about talking about stupid stuff!!!!
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:13 pm

gh wrote:
mump boy wrote:I...
Why any of you think you have the inside track on British celebrity culture is beyond me, i promise you Flump and i know more about it than all of you put together


that may well be, but on the other side of the coin is your apparent lack of understanding of who is hip on this side of the pond.

(and if "celebrity culture" isn't a self-cancelling phrase, I don't know what is!)


I totally understand who is hip either side of the pond, what you lot are refusing to understand is why

He was a run of the mill, not particularly famous footballer before he met her, it was her fame and pr instincts (alongside Simon Fuller, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fuller who turned the Spice Girls into a worldwide phenomenon and also created American Idol) that made him into something that could be sold world wide including the US

You lot came late to the party and are now trying to tell me how it was organised !!
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:15 pm

Daisy wrote: I agree she transformed him into to something that LA finds chic.


So you agree with Flump and me then, because that was the initial statement from Flump that so many have taken umbrage with.

This getting too stupid even for me now !! i'm out

But i'll leave you with this

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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:57 pm

mump boy wrote:I totally understand who is hip either side of the pond

Because you've spent so much time here? We don't pretend to 'get' British pop culture, and if your understanding of us is reading TMZ or some such, you're not even close. If you spend at least 6 months a year here, then I retract my skepticism. Otherwise, no way.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:53 am

I'm pretty sure you haven't known what was 'hip' (hip ??) anywhere since 1983 :P
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:47 am

mump boy wrote:I'm pretty sure you haven't known what was 'hip' (hip ??) anywhere since 1983 :P

Undoubtedly! But I sure do know America a whole lot better than a non-native! :D
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Flumpy » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:57 pm

I do find it hilarious how a bunch of middle aged (Mostly) male sports fans are absolutely insistent that a woman is of no importance in the situatio,n simply they don't happen to have heard of her.

To the demographic into which she introduced her husband she is about as famous as can be and has been for well over a decade. She brought her husband into that sphere, hence his worldwide fame, which only partially came through his sporting prowess.

Irrespective of who you happened to hear of first, without this particular popstar wife David Beckham would just be Jamie Rednapp.

http://marieclaire.media.ipcdigital.co. ... ver-LP.jpg

Poor Vicky B destined to be sidelined like so many great women before her. Written out of history by the patriachy, threatened by her major accomplishments.

She's the modern day Rosalind Franklin.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:57 pm

And then there's that equally important chicken and egg quandary. :)
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:35 pm

Flumpy wrote:Poor Vicky B destined to be sidelined like so many great women before her.

TAFNY!!! :lol:
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:12 pm

Flumpy wrote:She's the modern day Rosalind Franklin.

:roll:
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Brian » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:54 pm

Kimmel had a good one last week (while the forum was locked.

During the monologue, Kimmel reported that soccer star David Beckham was retiring from the sport and was now going to devote all his time to trying to make his wife smile for the first time.

[Background picture of VB with her trademark serious tight-lipped look.]
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:51 am

In some circles VB is The Woman of The Decade :P

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... wards.html
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Flumpy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:10 am

Mump, look at the 4th pic down :lol:
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:34 am

Flumpy wrote:Mump, look at the 4th pic down :lol:


I know it was on his Facebook
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:37 pm

mump boy wrote:In some circles VB is The Woman of The Decade :P

Next thing you'll be telling us is that 'some circles' think that Daniel Radcliffe is man of the year!
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:32 pm

Daisy wrote:
mump boy wrote:In some circles VB is The Woman of The Decade :P

Next thing you'll be telling us is that 'some circles' think that Daniel Radcliffe is man of the year!


In some circles he probably is.
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Flumpy » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:20 pm

Magic circles :lol:
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:21 am

Another example of 'icons' going unnoticed in the US.

Ms. Minogue may be a darling of designers, but as the lack of any recognition from fellow diners at the St. Regis suggested, she is far better known by the global paparazzi than by the American public.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/fashi ... g-who.html
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby mump boy » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:20 pm

Daisy wrote:Another example of 'icons' going unnoticed in the US.

Ms. Minogue may be a darling of designers, but as the lack of any recognition from fellow diners at the St. Regis suggested, she is far better known by the global paparazzi than by the American public.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/fashi ... g-who.html


68 million record sales worldwide !! who needs US ? :P
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Re: how good was David Beckham?

Postby Daisy » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

mump boy wrote:68 million record sales worldwide !! who needs US ? :P

But just goes to show how such stats don't mean a thing with respect to recognition on a more general level. Especially among soccer fans.
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