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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:02 pm

no one wrote:dozens of victims lay in the street, some unconscious, some grievously injured, including some whose limbs had been torn off by the blast. Boston Globe

has it been confirmed/verified that people had limbs torn off?


Yes, on CBS they talked to a doctor. And lots of similar reports of witnesses. Horrible stuff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/us/wi ... on.html?hp
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby JRM » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:06 pm

JumboElliott wrote:John Miller from CBS is saying that they have a Saudi national in custody.


Boston PD is still denying this at present. CBS likely got it from the Post....
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bijanc » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:10 pm

On CNN And. Cooper reported a few people were taken in for ?ing, including a wounded Saudi who is hospitalized under heavy guard.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby BillVol » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:10 pm

Photo of Bill Iffrig goes viral. His son, Mark, said, ""He's a hell of a runner. He's run a lot and he's fast."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/78-year-old-runner-knocked-down-boston-blast

As for the question asking if anyone has lost a limb, there is at least one terrible picture on the internet confirming this.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Daisy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:20 pm

BillVol wrote:As for the question asking if anyone has lost a limb, there is at least one terrible picture on the internet confirming this.


This quote was in one of the NYTimes interviews:
“There was, at one point, a man with no legs — an image I never want to see again.”
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Bob Duncan » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:39 pm

I know that this wasn't as "bad" as 9/11 in terms of body counts, but damn. We can only pray that the survivors recover, as many are in critical condition. It sure as hell hits close to home for so many of us. Maybe the federal government will wake up and call this a terrorist attack. :evil:
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:13 pm

The terrorist label will get there - it is just a sign that they want to get somewhere with the investigation. Different than, but some similarities to the Atlanta OG bombings.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:53 pm

vencio2 wrote:if the clock was at around 4.10 for the explosion, then at any other major marathon there would have presumably been potential for much greater carnage as this would really be when the masses were finishing. Boston has a much more restrictive entry policy (minimum qualifiying times for all age groups?) and that's why the course (and the spectators) seem much more sparse than would be expected. it makes you wonder if whoever did this got their research wrong and didnt realize that they would only be hitting the tail-enders.


Sadly the monster who did this might thing that it's more likely to be american's who are tail enders.
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Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bobguild76 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:13 pm

What a sad, horrific, tragic day. My son & I watched the race on streaming feed, and then went on a day hike, all the while re-living the races. Then we returned home ... and AUGH!!!!!! It is difficult to express the shock and outrage in words. Or the sense of loss for those who died or were injured, and for those who were at the blast scenes.

I hope they find the despicable cowards who planted the explosives. Whether a sporting event, some other public setting, or a random act of terror, it is beyond the pale. It will take time to gather the evidence and track down the killers, but the authorities won't stop until that happens.

Here's hoping for an awesome, terror-free London marathon next week, and the best Boston Marathon ever next year. That will be an appropriate in-your-face to those who seek to drag us down to their level through such reprehensible acts.

PS - After spending the last two years in South Africa and listening to marvelous BBC coverage of marathons & the Olympics, I was completely underwhelmed with the streaming feed commentary. The marathon requires commentary that matches the race ... clear, thorough, subtle, insightful, understated, focused, and with the endurance to last the entire race without becoming boring.

Tell us about the competitors and their cv's. When it comes to the East Africans, tell us about them. They're more than a bunch of carbon copy, hard to pronounce names. Merga and Gebre are both Ethiopian, but have fantastically different racing styles. Give us a synopsis of memorable Boston marathons and personalities. Show more of the chase pack in the early stages, and the close chasers when a late break is made. Oh well, I may be asking for the sky, but it can be done!
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby shivfan » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:54 pm

vencio2 wrote:if the clock was at around 4.10 for the explosion, then at any other major marathon there would have presumably been potential for much greater carnage as this would really be when the masses were finishing. Boston has a much more restrictive entry policy (minimum qualifiying times for all age groups?) and that's why the course (and the spectators) seem much more sparse than would be expected. it makes you wonder if whoever did this got their research wrong and didnt realize that they would only be hitting the tail-enders.

That's why I think this is the work of an amateur, and not the pros who have an international reputation for maximising casualties....

Terrible, terrible news for everyone who suffered from this, and my heart goes out to them...but if this bomber had benefitted from better organisation, it could've been so much worse.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby ldnbloke » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:52 am

It still beggars belief that there's no sanctity preserved for anything. And for us ( the hardcore fans) it hits harder. Not right...
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:13 am

shivfan wrote:That's why I think this is the work of an amateur, and not the pros who have an international reputation for maximising casualties....

Terrible, terrible news for everyone who suffered from this, and my heart goes out to them...but if this bomber had benefitted from better organisation, it could've been so much worse.


I agree. My guess is domestic terrorism. There are many ways it could have been much much worse. Still really terrible what did happen, of course.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:45 am

The hard (impossible) part is trying to make sense of it. I am reminded of the cinematic line:

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby jeremyp » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:52 am

The fact that it was Patriot's day and that Oklahoma City and Waco were on Patriot's day might mean a home grown terrorist attack. Might!
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bijanc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:53 am

It was likely done to make those involved feel no place is safe, though no one has claimed credit. It's a vigilance peace, one which will make our lives, particularly those you know who run such races in Cincy, DC, NYC, St. Louis, London, and Chic., think about one more thing. Same goes f/ the spectators. I just visited Cincy on an individual media tour, and a few people I met have either run in the Flying Pig (they call it "The Pig"), or are training f/ it by working up to half marathons. One p.r. person I dined w/ my first night there, who is prob. in her 50's, has run NYC and Chic. Then last weekend, I saw a pretty woman in a downtown DC hotel on crutches w/ one foot in a boot up to her shin. I asked the nature of her injury, how she travels through airport security w/ cructhes, and how long she'd be off the foot (she broke a foot bone). She told me she'd injured it training f/ the St. Louis marathon.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:17 am

jeremyp wrote:The fact that it was Patriot's day and that Oklahoma City and Waco were on Patriot's day might mean a home grown terrorist attack. Might!

The nonsensicality of it is what the bomber thinks he's gaining in the attack. All it did was resteel the resolve to fight this kind of cowardice.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Halfmiler2 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:26 am

jeremyp wrote:The fact that it was Patriot's day and that Oklahoma City and Waco were on Patriot's day might mean a home grown terrorist attack. Might!


You could just as easily suggest that a foreign terrorist would target the middle of the pack which is largely American as opposed to the top finishers which were largely not American. I suggest letting the investigators do their work and see what they find. And pray for the victims and their families.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bijanc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:31 am

"...The nonsensicality of it is what the bomber thinks he's gaining in the attack. All it did was resteel the resolve to fight this kind of cowardice..."

The bomber thinks he just struck fear & apprehension in the hearts of Bostonians, U.S. residents in general, big city marathoners and their promoters/sponsors/hosts, and gave law enforcement and intel bureaus something about which to think. Maybe even TSA authorities.

His incident dominates U.S. news today.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Pego » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:34 am

jeremyp wrote:The fact that it was Patriot's day and that Oklahoma City and Waco were on Patriot's day might mean a home grown terrorist attack. Might!


A tax day, too. I am betting on one of the anti-government fanatics.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bijanc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:43 am

So many Yanks and domestic groups detest abortion, gun control, some fed judge or D.A. who locked them or their brethren up, or just our sense of security. Rather than express this displeasure @ the ballot box, some resort to exploding devices around toddlers and eight-year-olds.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Marlow » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:51 am

bijanc wrote:The bomber thinks he just struck fear & apprehension in the hearts of Bostonians, U.S. residents in general, big city marathoners and their promoters/sponsors/hosts, and gave law enforcement and intel bureaus something about which to think. Maybe even TSA authorities. His incident dominates U.S. news today.

Homeland Security is essentially on Orange Alert 24/7 since 9/11. There will certainly be 'heightened vigilance' for a few days and then we'll settle back into our normal readiness(it isn't paranoia if they're really after you and they really are), which has been and shall continue to be very effective (this incident and ones like it in the past and future notwithstanding). I grew up ducking under my school desk for A-Bomb alarms and drills. This is just the natural (sic) evolution of the existential dread we must all endure in 'modern times'. Saying the 'Serenity Prayer' is all you can really do.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby DrJay » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:54 am

So the eight year-old's story emerges. Was waiting for his Daddy to finish the marathon. As a father, that breaks my heart.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:23 am

DrJay wrote:So the eight year-old's story emerges. Was waiting for his Daddy to finish the marathon. As a father, that breaks my heart.


What can you say? Numbs you all over...
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby user4 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:40 am

Even for those that are not fathers it is devastating.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby jeremyp » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:40 am

Halfmiler2 wrote:
jeremyp wrote:The fact that it was Patriot's day and that Oklahoma City and Waco were on Patriot's day might mean a home grown terrorist attack. Might!


You could just as easily suggest that a foreign terrorist would target the middle of the pack which is largely American as opposed to the top finishers which were largely not American. I suggest letting the investigators do their work and see what they find. And pray for the victims and their families.

Which is why I used the word: Might! 2x.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby jeremyp » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:48 am

Now they are saying they were pressure cooker bombs similar to those used in Afghanistan and Pakistan and, most ominously, in the failed Times Square bombs, which was made by a Pakistani.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:35 am

I heard on the radio that the photo of Bill Iffrig on the ground in front of the police is going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:42 am

I just talked to the woman in my office who ran yesterday. She said she was told by multiple people that she must have finished about 7-8 minutes before the bombs but thought it longer but was too disoriented to really determine when it was. She was about 300m past the finish line when they went off, at which point she moved further to the finishing area and went to her hotel.

Here is the data from her race. You can see that she finished at 2:23:33 with an official (chip) time of 4:01:57 and a gross time of 4:03:33. Thus her start time was at 10:00 (and it took 96 seconds to cross the start). The bomb has repeatedly been stated as having gone off at 2:45 or 2:50. The cover of Sports Illustrated (at least shown on CNN) has Bill Iffig (age 79) on the ground right by the finish with type put on the picture that says 4:15:13 2:50pm , so his wave went off at about 10:25. The clock time is for a wave that went off at 10:40, I think, and does not tell you where people were.

This means that the clock people are seeing is not a scratch time started at 10:00am. They had several (two) clocks going at a time, e.g., Wave 2 and Wave 3:

5K 10:47:20AM 0:25:45
10K 11:13:10AM 0:51:35
15K 11:39:11AM 1:17:35
20K 12:06:09PM 1:44:33
HALF 12:12:01PM 1:50:25
25K 12:33:52PM 2:12:17
30K 01:04:51PM 2:43:15
35K 01:37:49PM 3:16:14
40K 02:10:21PM 3:48:45
Finish Net 02:23:33PM 4:01:57

place (total) 16361
time total (net) 4:01:57
time total (gun) 4:03:33

from above
26mi235 wrote:I gave the particulars on my friend/colleague above which was based on clock-times linked to her race times. For her, 4:01:57, the clock times was 2:23 or so, 20+ minutes before the blast. However, she had a 3:2x seed time and might have had less of a wait reflected in the chip time.

As for the runners, I got a time stamp for her at 42,130m (65 meters from the end). Thus, they should have timing on the runners until close to the end, even if they did not get anything official over there. Just linking some runners to the right finishing time (clock, should allow them to deconstruct the pieces and put them back together again.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:02 pm

polevaultpower wrote:I heard on the radio that the photo of Bill Iffrig on the ground in front of the police is going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.


Yes. Probably the first time since the 70's that Boston was on the cover.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby user4 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:17 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:I heard on the radio that the photo of Bill Iffrig on the ground in front of the police is going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.


Yes. Probably the first time since the 70's that Boston was on the cover.


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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Blues » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:34 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
DrJay wrote:So the eight year-old's story emerges. Was waiting for his Daddy to finish the marathon. As a father, that breaks my heart.


What can you say? Numbs you all over...


The story is tragic regardless of the details, but according to the story in the link below, the boy's father, although a runner, didn't run the marathon but was there with his family to watch friends who ran the marathon... The little boy's mother also suffered a brain injury from the explosion, and his 6 year old sister reportedly lost a leg.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... lasts?lite
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bijanc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:54 pm

Frank Shorter on CNN after 4:52 commercial break.

Greater Cincinnati: 134 participants in Boston:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2013 ... ieved-hurt

Martha's Vineyard, two marathoners safe:

http://www.mvtimes.com/2013/04/15/islan ... ury-15166/
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby dj » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:36 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:I heard on the radio that the photo of Bill Iffrig on the ground in front of the police is going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.


Yes. Probably the first time since the 70's that Boston was on the cover.



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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bambam » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:00 pm

Could not figure out this summer in London why I could never find a trash can on the street to throw a Coke bottle or lunch bag. Had to do it at the media center or back at my hotel. Now I understand. London had already removed trash cans after previous terror attacks. Never even dawned on me that this was the reason, which kinda ticked me off at the time, but now I know why.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:06 pm

bambam wrote:Could not figure out this summer in London why I could never find a trash can on the street to throw a Coke bottle or lunch bag. Had to do it at the media center or back at my hotel. Now I understand. London had already removed trash cans after previous terror attacks. Never even dawned on me that this was the reason, which kinda ticked me off at the time, but now I know why.


When I lived in England in the 90's one of my pet peeves was the complete lack of garbage bins anywhere in London and any train station in the country. I knew why and another reason to despise the IRA and their various offshoots.

When visitors came over they were equally puzzled and annoyed, until I explained why.

PS. Another wonderful IRA gift was being on the Underground and finding out your station was out because of a terrorist threat.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby marknhj » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:24 pm

bambam wrote:Could not figure out this summer in London why I could never find a trash can on the street to throw a Coke bottle or lunch bag. Had to do it at the media center or back at my hotel. Now I understand. London had already removed trash cans after previous terror attacks. Never even dawned on me that this was the reason, which kinda ticked me off at the time, but now I know why.


I had the same annoyed feeling while walking from Victoria to Buckingham Palace to watch the women's marathon. Umbrella in one hand, Starbucks trash in the other, soaking wet and thinking less than charitable thoughts about my fellow countrymen. It took me about an hour to remember why there were no rubbish bins in London.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:46 pm

We had our local USATF Association meeting last night, and our MUT chair told us about their recent race. They gave each participant some kind of foldable, reusable cup. At each aid station, there were no paper cups. You could use your water bottle or the cup they had provided each runner (this was all made clear in advance). At the end of the race I think people had to bring their own utensils and bowls for the food, or something like that. The race had over 600 entrants and at the end of the day they only had 4 bags of garbage.

Perhaps the events at Boston will inspire more races to be more green.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Tuariki » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:12 pm

user4 wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:I heard on the radio that the photo of Bill Iffrig on the ground in front of the police is going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.


Yes. Probably the first time since the 70's that Boston was on the cover.


Bill Rodgers, greatest marathoner ever. :)

Not even close to Abebe Bikila.
And IMO Shorter is the best USA marathoner
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Tuariki » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:18 pm

When Clinton came to NZ in 1999 all trash cans and letter boxes along his route were removed. All man hole covers were welded shut. Sadly, with yesterday's tragic events this may be a portent of security measures to come.
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Re: Explosion at Boston finish?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:47 am

BillVol wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:This was Club Northwest runner, Bill Iffrig,78-years-old. You can see him at the bottom of this picture: https://twitter.com/BGlobeSports/status ... 81/photo/1

Reports are that he suffered only a scraped knee and is OK.


78 years old and runs a 4 hr marathon. Wow.

If you're 78 and you run a 4-hour marathon, you're a bad m*****f*****. The scary thing is that he's almost an hour off the age-group world record, which is held by Ed Whitlock, who was actually 80 when he ran 3:15:54. :shock:
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