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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bambam » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:33 am

Tuariki wrote:Not even close to Abebe Bikila.
And IMO Shorter is the best USA marathoner


Agree
Agree
But there was something about Boston Billy

Growing up in Framingham, I well remember in 1963 going downtown to watch the runners go thru on Patriots Day and the two leaders were Bikila and Mamo Wolde - they didn't win - that went to Aurele Vandendriessche of Belgium. I think Bikila finished 4th
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:54 am

Wow, looks like they found the guy.

    A law enforcement official briefed on the investigation says a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings is about to be arrested.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ap-so ... hp?ref=fpa
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:13 am

Apparently they have arrested someone.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/324583755350147072

That didn't take long.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby aaronk » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:16 am

Conor Dary wrote:Apparently they have arrested someone.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/324583755350147072

That didn't take long.


It's said a Lord & Taylor's store camera I'D'd him.
But in this day and age of 1000's of people having cellphone cameras and the like...it's becoming almost impossible for a criminal to escape detection......especially when it's broad daylight, and there's 1000's of people around!!

Proves how utterly stupid.....not to mention insane and evil!!....would-be criminals are nowadays!!
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby gh » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:19 am

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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:43 am

Not much new info other than this brief blurb:
BOSTON (AP) — A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was taken into custody Wednesday.... The suspect was expected at a Boston courthouse under heavy security, the official said.

A news briefing was scheduled later Wednesday.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby batonless relay » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:45 am

even CNN is hedging. Different sources are saying different things and NBC and CBS says no suspect is in custody.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby dukehjsteve » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:50 am

Don't be too hasy to jump to conclusions that "they got him".... remember in " Jaws" when they had the wrong shark.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby bambam » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:50 am

aaronk wrote:It's said a Lord & Taylor's store camera I'D'd him.
But in this day and age of 1000's of people having cellphone cameras and the like...it's becoming almost impossible for a criminal to escape detection......especially when it's broad daylight, and there's 1000's of people around!!

Proves how utterly stupid.....not to mention insane and evil!!....would-be criminals are nowadays!!


As has been said, you can't cure stupid. Fortunately, most of these guys have the IQ of an ashtray.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:59 am

CNN now

(CNN) -- [Breaking news update at 2:44 p.m. Wednesday]

Investigators in Washington and Boston denied Wednesday that an arrest had been made in the bombing of the Boston Marathon. They had earlier said there was "substantial" progress in the case.

[Breaking news update at 2:36 p.m. Wednesday]

There is conflicting information as to whether someone has been arrested in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings. A federal law enforcement source told CNN's Fran Townsend that someone was arrested. But later, two senior administration officials and another federal official told Townsend that there had been a misunderstanding among officials and that no one has been arrested.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby jeremyp » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:02 am

The Fat Lady has not sung, CNN to the contrary. Rush is having a field day. Stay tuned! Didn't CNN do this before?
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby gh » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:06 am

The Boston link that's at the top of the front page is from the AP and it updates automatically as AP moves new stuff.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby gh » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:13 pm

lead to Andy Borowitz's offering for the New Yorker this afternoon.

<<No Information Found on CNN
BOSTON (The Borowitz Report)—Authorities who have spent the last forty-eight hours combing CNN in the hopes of finding any information whatsoever have called off their search, they confirmed today…>>
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish

Postby user4 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:25 pm

bambam wrote:
aaronk wrote:It's said a Lord & Taylor's store camera I'D'd him.
But in this day and age of 1000's of people having cellphone cameras and the like...it's becoming almost impossible for a criminal to escape detection......especially when it's broad daylight, and there's 1000's of people around!!

Proves how utterly stupid.....not to mention insane and evil!!....would-be criminals are nowadays!!


As has been said, you can't cure stupid. Fortunately, most of these guys have the IQ of an ashtray.


Fortunately perhaps but recall a certain Ted K had an IQ larger than both of us put together. Im not sure IQ correlates negatively (or positively) with self-centered maniacal wickedness.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:26 pm

People were not using cell phone cameras to photograph the guy because he was not an 'item' of interest and he did not set it off and run. Conversely, the camera at L&T is on continually.

Apparently one clue on one guy (the same?) is that he was also seen reacting differently to the bomb -- everyone else was surprised, so that make someone stick out.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby tandfman » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 am

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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:07 am

tandfman wrote:Noted without comment:

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bo ... tment.html


Some people are pretty clueless. My sister has a cart down at Faneuil Hall and sells shirts and similar items and pulled all of the Marathon stuff out Monday. It seemed to be in bad taste to try to keep selling.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:43 pm

The latest: FBI: Two Suspects Pinpointed In Boston Marathon Bombings (VIDEO)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/us/bo ... ms.html?hp

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-inve ... -in-boston

But as noted yesterday, who knows.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby mcgato » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:11 pm

Bob Duncan wrote:Link to smokinggun crap
Check the video that the FBI released and check the smokinggun article. Tell me that they are wearing the same clothes. Let's all just stop posting links to the crazies out there.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:26 pm

mcgato wrote:
Bob Duncan wrote:Link to smokinggun crap
Check the video that the FBI released and check the smokinggun article. Tell me that they are wearing the same clothes. Let's all just stop posting links to the crazies out there.


Those two guys were being pointed out as "suspects" by various media outlets yesterday.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [arrest made?]

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:27 pm

Conor Dary wrote:The latest: FBI: Two Suspects Pinpointed In Boston Marathon Bombings (VIDEO)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/us/bo ... ms.html?hp

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-inve ... -in-boston

But as noted yesterday, who knows.


The guy in the white hat appears pretty involved. It would take a pretty amazing set of coincidences for him not to be part of it.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby EPelle » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:32 am

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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby Pego » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:00 am

The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:42 am

Of Chechen origin.

Releasing the photos was the key.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby Master Po » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:00 am

Pego wrote:The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.


Assuming for a moment that these two turn out to be the murderers in this/these incidents, we'll probably never have any sort of explanation of their motives that would make a whole lot of sense. What I have read on NY Times, Boston Globe and CNN Web sites today says they moved to the USA several years ago, perhaps as early as 2002 (one source states that year, others say "more than five years"). One of these guys is 19, the other 26. If they have been here since 2002, that means the younger was ~8-9 yo when they arrived, the other ~15-16yo. Both HS graduates, both involved in their schools, both in sports; the younger reported as being a college student this year; the older had been one in the past few years. Granting all the difficulties of making one's way into a new culture that immigrants face, much of what is being reported in the news about them -- assuming it turns out to be accurate -- is pretty typical immigrant stories. Actually, better that some, if they had succeeded in graduating HS and going on to college. So that leaves me where I always am at such moments -- what prompts a person or persons to decide that such a course of action is a good idea? Who the hell knows. So sad, for everyone killed, injured, and in every other way harmed by these people, and sad also -- in a slightly different way -- for anyone related to these men, who now have to live with that.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby jeremyp » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:01 am

My suspicion is that the older brother was the "leader" and the younger kid followed along. It's quite common in these duos for one to be the aggressive one and the other to be the patsy, or weaker one. Getting out from the influence of an older, stronger personality (and in this case sibling) is difficult. The Columbine guys and the Washington snipers come to mind.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby jeremyp » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:02 am

I also read that the older one's favorite movie was "Borat." I'm sure Marlow will agree that anyone with this kind of taste has to be dangerous. :D
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby DrJay » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:12 am

Tragic all around, but as they watch the CNN feed with 10 or 15 cops standing around in every scene and hundreds of others pulling overtime, is anyone else thinking, man, Dunkin' Donuts must be doing a ton of business this week?
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:25 am

DrJay wrote:Tragic all around, but as they watch the CNN feed with 10 or 15 cops standing around in every scene and hundreds of others pulling overtime, is anyone else thinking, man, Dunkin' Donuts must be doing a ton of business this week?



Apparently the city asked DD to stay open. Boston cops love donuts. Everyone else is closed in the town.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:54 pm

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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:49 pm

Well it looks like it is over.

I suppose that boat will be on ebay soon. :roll:
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby JRM » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:52 pm

They caught him. Suspect in custody.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:04 pm

Amazing they caught him alive.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:11 pm

Pego wrote:The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.

What I don't understand is how attacking the U.S. could further their cause. SHouldn't they be trying to kill Russians?
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby Tuariki » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:44 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Pego wrote:The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.

What I don't understand is how attacking the U.S. could further their cause. SHouldn't they be trying to kill Russians?

These people all believe that the USA is the great Satan, not Russia.

When I was Minister of Immigration for NZ in the late 1990s I tried to bring in lie detector tests as an interview option when considering the grant of residence status for those being considered under the refugee asylum options. For example, depending on your origin and/or background I would ask asylum seekers questions such as:
1. Were you orgasmically happy watching the events of 911? or perhaps
2. Do you believe in honour killing?
3. Were you ecstatic when Lord Mountbatten was blown to smithereens by the IRA?

If they set the bells off on answering, then the decision on their application is easy - you can go back to your sh** hole. My theory was that on the balance of probabilities their answers convinced me I did not want such people in NZ. Unfortunately the woolly lefty liberal civil servants that dominate every Government Department in NZ were able to roadblock this idea until such time as I was no longer Minster.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby Pego » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:02 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Pego wrote:The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.

What I don't understand is how attacking the U.S. could further their cause. SHouldn't they be trying to kill Russians?


Nothing that I heard so far makes much sense.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:45 pm

We will have to see what links there are with the older brother; there is some indication of foreign links.
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [suspects on video?]

Postby Blues » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:58 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Pego wrote:The reports say that they might be brothers from Russian Caucasus. If they turn out to be Chechnyan terrorists, I would be totally clueless, never having expected anything of this sort. While Chechnyan terrorists are Muslims, their cause is a lot more nationalistic than religious.

What I don't understand is how attacking the U.S. could further their cause. SHouldn't they be trying to kill Russians?


Earlier today there was much speculation in the media regarding a possibility of ties to the Islamic Jihad Union, along with some discussion regarding the 6 or 7 months the older brother spent away in Russia last year. If they WERE involved with the IJU, attacks on the US might not seem so out of place.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/national ... n-20130419
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Re: Explosions at Boston finish [1 suspect shot; manhunt on]

Postby BillVol » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:22 pm

Thank God the other guy is in custody.

I am proud of and admire our law enforcement people and think these guys did a good job. But a few questions...

1. The FBI interviewed the older brother just two years ago after being warned by a foreign government about his extremism. But when they came up with photos/video of the two brothers, they were not able to identify him. With today's sophisticated technology. I wonder why. Maybe they didn't take a picture of him. Did no FBI agent remember him? This sort of reminds me of the 9/11 hijackers, who had all kinds of clues about these people but did not follow up.

2. After the shootout last night, how was the younger brother able to escape????? Hundreds of officers everywhere! Police cruisers! Probably helicopters! K-9s! The guy was shot and as it turns out is in serious condition! But he got away! They asked the Mass. state police head how he got away. "On foot." And he managed to elude capture for several hours!

3. During the search today, they had already searched the house with the boat and I think actually searched the boat. I thought I heard that he was in the shed behind the house and then got into the boat. Is this right? It took a tip from the boat owner to tell the police where this guy was. What happened here?
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