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Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:54 pm

A year away. This week Sports Illustrated has a story about the city and the area and venues and such. There's an abbreviated online version of the story:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-olymp ... -year-out/

No good info there about how often and how much it snows. But they've been stockpiling chemically treated snow for three years!! Bizarre.

The most expensive OG in history. First OG with all venues purpose-built for the OG. First Winter Olympics to have an Olympic "Park". Definitely a different, out-of-the-way location for the Games. I suspect the OG in many, if not most, other cities, have inspired tourists to visit in subsequent years. Somehow I don't see many foreigners saying, "Honey, let's go to Sochi next year!" I checked Travelocity....Denver to NY to Moscow to Sochi, 24 hrs travel time, $1000 to $2000. Hard to imagine that in five years the venues won't be underused/not used and falling into disrepair, a la Athens and Beijing.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:57 pm

Seems like a pretty temperate climate for the Winter OG, actually described as "sub-tropical", so a trivia question:

Which Winter Olympics were held closest to the equator? I'll post the top ten (or eight or whatnot) tomorrow, left them in my desk at work.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Per Andersen » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:18 pm

DrJay wrote:Seems like a pretty temperate climate for the Winter OG, actually described as "sub-tropical", so a trivia question:

Which Winter Olympics were held closest to the equator? I'll post the top ten (or eight or whatnot) tomorrow, left them in my desk at work.

Got to be Nagano and then Squaw Valley followed by Salt Lake and Cortina D'Ampezzo.

Sure temperate climate but the ski stadium is about 40km from Sochi up in the mountains. Tons of snow but it will be extremely challenging with waxing. The skis might glide well and then after a couple of minutes not so well, drastic changes in temperatures.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 am

I got:

Nagano 36.65 N
Pyeongchang 37.43 (2018)
Squaw Valley 39.18
Salt Lake City 40.75
Sapporo 43.06
Sarajevo 43.51
Sochi 43.61
Lake Placid 44.28
Torino 45.01
Grenoble 45.10
Albertville 45.66
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Per Andersen » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:30 am

DrJay wrote:I got:

Nagano 36.65 N
Pyeongchang 37.43 (2018)
Squaw Valley 39.18
Salt Lake City 40.75
Sapporo 43.06
Sarajevo 43.51
Sochi 43.61
Lake Placid 44.28
Torino 45.01
Grenoble 45.10
Albertville 45.66

Sure, I wasn't thinking past Sochi. I see I was way off on Cortina '56 :oops:
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Friar » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:15 pm

Obviously Van. was a much better venue for visitors than Calgary but a Pacific city isn't wintry enough. If you can walk around in a sweater it's too warm.

Norway was great. I have the feeling Sochi will be no Lillihammer.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:44 pm

Per Andersen wrote:Sure, I wasn't thinking past Sochi. I see I was way off on Cortina '56 :oops:

46.53 N
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby bambam » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:53 pm

Friar wrote:Obviously Van. was a much better venue for visitors than Calgary but a Pacific city isn't wintry enough. If you can walk around in a sweater it's too warm.

Norway was great. I have the feeling Sochi will be no Lillihammer.


For one thing - nothing will ever be Lillehammer - the greatest ever Olympics, winter or summer, IMHO. Leigh Montville, former Boston Globe columnist, wrote of Lillehammer in Sports Illustrated, "The XVII Winter Olympics did not exist. Norway did not exist. These were the fairy-tale Games, drawn from the imagination, staged in the pages of a children's book. They could not exist. Reality cannot be this good"

Second, Vancouver was way too warm for an Winter city, I thought. I worked there for USOC and never had to wear the heavy stuff they gave us to wear, although I never went up to Whistler.

Finally, Sochi is an absurd choice for a Winter Olympics - temps in the 60s in the city in February! And $51 billion is ridiculous to spend for a Winter Olympics. $41 billion (Beijing 2008) was ridiculous for the Summer Olympics, but the Winter Olympics has about 1/3rd the number of events and about 1/3rd the number of competitors, so the Beijing equivalent would be $14 billion or so. Sochi is coming in at close to 4 times that much per athlete.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:10 pm

bambam wrote: Leigh Montville, former Boston Globe columnist, wrote of Lillehammer in Sports Illustrated, "The XVII Winter Olympics did not exist...."


Funny, I have no memory of those Games so I just googled the dates (Feb 12-27.) I was climbing in NZ then, for five weeks, in the mountains much of the time, and when not, my friends in Mt. Cook Village had no TV. The Games really did not exist for me. Too bad, sounded wonderful.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby gh » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 pm

Friar wrote:Obviously Van. was a much better venue for visitors than Calgary but a Pacific city isn't wintry enough. If you can walk around in a sweater it's too warm.

Norway was great. I have the feeling Sochi will be no Lillihammer.


There are no shortage of winter days in Vancouver where you would need a lot more than a sweater.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby DrJay » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:27 pm

Wow. Of the 52 (two tied for bronze 1948) medals awarded in the history of the men's Olympic downhill, 39 are accounted for by just three countries: Austria 17 (6 G, 4 S, 7 B), Switzerland 12 (3, 5, 4), and France 10 (5, 3, 2). Others are Norway (4), the US (3), and Italy, Germany, and Canada (2 each).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ol ... ine_skiing
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Per Andersen » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:02 pm

gh wrote:


There are no shortage of winter days in Vancouver where you would need a lot more than a sweater.

True, but the Games were held too late in the winter. Mid to late Feb is often early spring in Vancouver. But it could have been much worse. It could easily have been fog and rain an mid 40's temp for a solid week during the Alpine events. They were barely able to save it the way it was.

I would love to see Squaw Valley make another run for it. Squaw Valley/Reno would be good.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Powell » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:18 am

bambam wrote:Finally, Sochi is an absurd choice for a Winter Olympics - temps in the 60s in the city in February!


But the only sports that will actually be in Sochi are the indoor ones... And the Caucasus mountains do have proper winters.
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Re: Sochi 2014

Postby Powell » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:24 am

DrJay wrote:I suspect the OG in many, if not most, other cities, have inspired tourists to visit in subsequent years. Somehow I don't see many foreigners saying, "Honey, let's go to Sochi next year!" I checked Travelocity....Denver to NY to Moscow to Sochi, 24 hrs travel time, $1000 to $2000.


If you're talking about Americans, then I guess not. For Europeans, though, the trip is much more feasible.
And it's not just about Sochi. If the Games are successful, they can improve Russia's image abroad and increase the inflow of tourists into the country as a whole.
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