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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby mamo » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:07 pm

I guess, back in the day, there were two Floridas: the familiar one that extended west to the Apalachicola River, and a West Florida that extended all the way to the Mississippi.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:13 pm

No, there's just a single chunk of real estate all labeled as Florida.

the Mississippi is not the correct answer for the Western border.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:11 am

OK, just to nudge things along, since trying to visualize this from previous clues perhaps not easy.

The Eastern border was of course the Atlantic for the main portion of Florida. At about 30º (between St. Augustine and Jacksonville of today) the border makes a left and does so for x miles before going north again, forming a border with Carolina. So, more specifically, what was the East/West border of Florida and Carolina?
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby Master Po » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:46 am

gh wrote:OK, just to nudge things along, since trying to visualize this from previous clues perhaps not easy.

The Eastern border was of course the Atlantic for the main portion of Florida. At about 30º (between St. Augustine and Jacksonville of today) the border makes a left and does so for x miles before going north again, forming a border with Carolina. So, more specifically, what was the East/West border of Florida and Carolina?


OK, having guessed some of the Great Lakes' names without knowing much of anything, I'll make a guess here. It's not utterly uninformed, but is probably wrong nonetheless. Haven't see the map gh is referring to, but I recall seeing other early maps of North America in which "Florida" and "Carolina" were identified -- this area of course pre-Georgia and crossing over what is now Georgia. I can't think what's actually there on the ground to mark the boundary (seems like all lowland forests and swamps to me...), but it occurs to me that the boundary gh is referring to follows part of the route Hernando de Soto took in 15--whatever it was, when he was doing whatever he was doing (looking for a good indoor meet, probably). Maybe that route formed part of this boundary?
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:54 am

creative thinking! But no, don't think the de Soto routings had anything to do with it.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby lonewolf » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:51 pm

Howze bout Tombigee River/Mobile Bay as west limit of Florida?
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:07 pm

I don't think anybody realizes how large (massive) "Florida" was at the time.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:08 pm

I hasten to add that I was among those who didn't realize, which was the whole purpose of my turning it into a trivia ("trivia"?) question after I saw the map.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby lonewolf » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:47 pm

Since the map predates the Louisiand Purchse and the border is not the Mississippi
River, the next logical geographic barrier is the Rio Grande River.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:22 pm

Rio Grande is correct for the West.

Now what about the North and the East that isn't ocean-bound?
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby lonewolf » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:16 pm

For the eastern border of Florida. I recall from researching geneology of my Choctaw/Creek ancestors that there was a broad band of seaboard above Florida in present day Georgia,the Carolinas and Virginia. I do not know what this coastal Tidewater strip was called but the common notation was that the tribes were displaced south and west from Carolina in the late 1600s.

My gggggrandfather "married" a daughter of Chief Buie(Bowie) and all of their seven children married within the somewhat co-mingled tribe. I believe Buie was aCreek chief but my grandfather, born in Mississippi in 1870s considered himself Choctaw.

For the northern border, I believe everything north of the Ohio River was either Canada or New France.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:41 am

OK, let me wrap this puppy up. Wolf is pretty close with his Ohio River guess for the north,although it's actually south of that. I see no logical reason for the line, which looks to be about 38.5 N (40N is now the border that separates Nebraska/Kansas, Iowa/Missouri, etc). Doesn't follow any body of water. The Eastern border is the Appalachians.

Here's the map, which I find utterly fascinating.


http://wsm.wsu.edu/s/index.php?id=1005#.UPLVN6X5GkA
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby Master Po » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:57 am

Thanks for this thread, gh. Interesting stuff.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:19 am

Interesting how accurate the map is considering it was nearly impossible to determine longitude at that time.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby lonewolf » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:25 am

The map is amazingly recognizable.. the northern border of Florida is not well definined, just kinda wiggles west.
Interesting the map shows Apache country to be north of New Mexico, which it was before they migrated south.. but has the Caddo accurately located in present Louisiana and East Texas. .. map also predates southward migration of Comanche from Wyoming to the South Central plains, which they dominated from late 1700s to late 1800s.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby Pego » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Master Po wrote:Thanks for this thread, gh. Interesting stuff.


Yes, this thread rules.
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:08 pm

it's a pity that the resolution afforded on the onscreen version doesn't make for reading of some of the smaller notations.

using a jeweler's loupe, I find gems like this, running along the top right, near the northeastern border: "the road the French take to go to Carolina." For a good portion of it, it follows the Acansea River. (I could turn this into more trivia, but I won't)

with googling, I discover that Acansea was what the French called the Ohio, and is from the word that led to the formation of both Kansas and Arkansas.

<<The spelling of the term [Arkansas] represents a French plural, Arcansas, of a name applied to the Quapaw people who lived on the Arkansas River; their name was also written in early times as Akancea, Acansea, Acansa (Dickinson, 1995). This was not the name used by the Quapaws themselves, however. The term /akansa/ was applied to them by Algonquian speakers; this consists of /a-/, an Algonquian prefix found in the names of ethnic groups, plus /kká:ze, a Siouan term refering to members of the Dhegiha branch of the Siouan family. This stem is also the origin for the name of the Kansa tribe and of the state of Kansas; thus the placenames Arkansas and Kansas indirectly have the same origin. [William Bright, "Native American Placenames of the United States," 2004]>>
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby tandfman » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:17 am

Allez Dos de Rasoir!!!!
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby gh » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:39 am

I need to shave my back?!
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Re: vintage geography trivia

Postby tandfman » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:28 am

Go Razorbacks!
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