i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...


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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:45 am

aaronk wrote:
SQUACKEE wrote:
Anthony Treacher wrote:In Sweden it is not illegal to provide sex for money. It is however illegal here to buy sex. Even morally the person providing sex for money is considered here as "the exploited." The person buying sex is "the exploiter." So what exactly has SFH done that is wrong?


If part of her sacred wedding vows to her husband was to blow guys for cash and on occasion to make a little extra cash, have anal intercourse with a sweaty business man from Cleveland, then she has done nothing wrong.


Garry Hill, would you please explain to me WHY......

the above comment by SQUACKEE was allowed to be posted...and then REMAIN posted.....

and the comments by Conor Dary (about the movie "Belle de Jour")....
and MY comment on Conor's about two movies about "escorts" I'd seen......
and another's (Can't recall his/her name!) comment to me, saying Jennifer Anniston would be good to play Suzy in a movie....

why OUR comments were DELETED??




Just a guess....opportunity?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:52 am

Dutra5 wrote:

Just a guess....opportunity?


What does that mean?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:52 am

Tuariki wrote:Much ado about nothing. Here in little old NZ selling favors is quite legal; and quite a bit cheaper.

Just so I'm getting this straight . . . in New Zealand, it's NO BIG DEAL (your 'much ado about nothing') that a wife and mother has sex for money with strangers. Oh, really. I think you are gravely mistaken.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:00 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:

Just a guess....opportunity?


What does that mean?


I don't pretend to know what GH's schedule looks like from day to day but it's quite possible he has not been online since early this morning.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:01 pm

Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Much ado about nothing. Here in little old NZ selling favors is quite legal; and quite a bit cheaper.

Just so I'm getting this straight . . . in New Zealand, it's NO BIG DEAL (your 'much ado about nothing') that a wife and mother has sex for money with strangers. Oh, really. I think you are gravely mistaken.


Maybe this is exactly how his family able to afford a trip to Las Vegas next week. :? :D
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:09 pm

odelltrclan wrote:Maybe this is exactly how his family able to afford a trip to Las Vegas next week. :? :D

Are you thinking about the 7-year-old daughter and how this is going to play out for her in the near- and long-term?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:24 pm

Marlow wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:Maybe this is exactly how his family able to afford a trip to Las Vegas next week. :? :D

Are you thinking about the 7-year-old daughter and how this is going to play out for her in the near- and long-term?


I am talking about Tauriki's trip, not Suzi's. Tauriki mentioned he was coming to Vegas. If he is willing to allow his wife extra-curricular activities to contribute to the family budget (and judging by his posts he may very well be) I guess that is his prerogative. :shock: It goes against the norm but that is their choice.

Just so you know, I am in agreement with you on your moral issues. I just don't see much of a need to discuss it here. Too many people in these circles are put off on any mention of morality and what is right and wrong. Its her life, let her decide her destination.

I do feel sorry for her daughter and her husband (if he is an unwilling participant). I can only imagine the backlash they are going to hear and receive over the years. But she has made her choices and she (and they) must take the consequences that follow. Just as it applies to all of us. We all fight our demons as best we can, but, unlike us, for someone like her, the whole world knows.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby TN1965 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:48 pm

uakari wrote:oh my freaking mackerel,

WHO CARES?

i'm just shocked anyone would pay that much for sex. reminds me of gov. spitzer's scandal. now he's a respected tv commentator... we need to stop sensationalizing everything.

unless women, children and men are being forced into prostitution, i don't give a rat's ass. she did it voluntarily and she did it for money. people do all sorts of things for money. yawn.


I am afraid SFH will not be as lucky as Spitzer in rehabilitating her image. I hope I am wrong, but our society has a double standard regarding sexual morality.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:55 pm

odelltrclan wrote:I am talking about Tauriki's trip, not Suzi's.

Mia apologia!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:55 pm

Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Much ado about nothing. Here in little old NZ selling favors is quite legal; and quite a bit cheaper.

Just so I'm getting this straight . . . in New Zealand, it's NO BIG DEAL (your 'much ado about nothing') that a wife and mother has sex for money with strangers. Oh, really. I think you are gravely mistaken.

Come on Marlow - get your head out of the sand and look around you.

At least in New Zealand we are somewhat more "honest" than say those Americans who hide behind a pseudo religious Christian facade of hypocrisy when it comes to sexual mores.

Which country in the world has the most members of sites such as Adult Friend Finder with literally millions of couples looking for out of relationship connections? The USA by a country mile.

I have lost count of the USA based hypocrites who,from the pulpits of their money making self enrichment churches, preach the evils of sex outside of marriage, who are then discovered to be serial practitioners of the very evil they preach against. Ditto the outspoken politicians on the same subject - whether it be a new Jersey Governor, a New Your Governor a weeny little Congressman or whatever. A bit like the Catholic Church and priests with their choir boys.

What Suzy Favor did was her business - and of course her family's. She sure as hell didn't hurt any of her clients - except in the pocket. If she has hurt her husband then that is a matter between them. If the media reports are correct that he has known about Las Vegas business activities for quite some time then presumably whatever hurt he felt was being compensated by the money being earned. But whatever the situation, whatever the reason, it is none of the business of the moralists preaching on this message board.

It is said if you live in a glass house don't throw stones. Based on statistical probabilities I imagine that more than one or two of the moralists on this message board live or have lived in a glass house.

Having had the privilege of being able to compete internationally what Suzy Favor did was not a lot different than what went on in hotels and games villages. The only real difference was $600.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:11 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
Marlow wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:Maybe this is exactly how his family able to afford a trip to Las Vegas next week. :? :D

Are you thinking about the 7-year-old daughter and how this is going to play out for her in the near- and long-term?


I am talking about Tauriki's trip, not Suzi's. Tauriki mentioned he was coming to Vegas. If he is willing to allow his wife extra-curricular activities to contribute to the family budget (and judging by his posts he may very well be) I guess that is his prerogative. :shock: It goes against the norm but that is their choice.

Just so you know, I am in agreement with you on your moral issues. I just don't see much of a need to discuss it here. Too many people in these circles are put off on any mention of morality and what is right and wrong. Its her life, let her decide her destination.

I do feel sorry for her daughter and her husband (if he is an unwilling participant). I can only imagine the backlash they are going to hear and receive over the years. But she has made her choices and she (and they) must take the consequences that follow. Just as it applies to all of us. We all fight our demons as best we can, but, unlike us, for someone like her, the whole world knows.

To Odelltrclan
First, as much as my wife of 39 years would love to think she could command a $600 an hour price tag it is unlikely we would be able to pay for the trip on the back of any such earnings.

Rather I put it down to hard word and successful business that literally involves all the adult members of my family.

Your unfortunate preachings behind the cloak of anonymity have all the hallmarks of those upright pillars of society and religious scions from the 1980s such as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Bakker. And those of the past 2 years such as Vaughn Reeves, Stephen Green, Albert Odulele, Allan Cundick, David Yonggi Cho, Jason Russell, Kong Hee, and Jack Schaap.

Those who preach loudest often tend to be the worst offenders. Remember, it takes 2 to tango. How much more fun it would be to have the names published of those who handed over $600.

One thing you are right about though - "its her life, let decide her destination".
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:15 pm

Tuariki wrote:
Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Much ado about nothing. Here in little old NZ selling favors is quite legal; and quite a bit cheaper.

Just so I'm getting this straight . . . in New Zealand, it's NO BIG DEAL (your 'much ado about nothing') that a wife and mother has sex for money with strangers. Oh, really. I think you are gravely mistaken.

Come on Marlow - get your head out of the sand and look around you.

You didn't answer the question: New Zealanders have no issue with their moms and wives being prostitutes, right? Think real hard . . .
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:16 pm

[quote="Tuariki"][

mmmm I am so confused, what Suzy did was honest and no big deal, but she said it was a horrible mistake and feels terrible about the people she hurt and is seeking help from professionals.... maybe she is lying?... I just cant connect these dots, I am so confused!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:18 pm

TN1965 wrote:I am afraid SFH will not be as lucky as Spitzer in rehabilitating her image. I hope I am wrong, but our society has a double standard regarding sexual morality.

True that.

A classic double standard. Arnold Schwarzenegger was able to parlay the hundreds of women he bedded (and out-of bedded) into a badge of wink-wink honor when he first ran for Governor. Of course he eventually went one bed too far.

I am not sure if Monica was able to rehabilitate her image but she sure as hell was able to rehabilitate her bank account with a mouthful of dollars.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:32 pm

Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:
Marlow wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Much ado about nothing. Here in little old NZ selling favors is quite legal; and quite a bit cheaper.

Just so I'm getting this straight . . . in New Zealand, it's NO BIG DEAL (your 'much ado about nothing') that a wife and mother has sex for money with strangers. Oh, really. I think you are gravely mistaken.

Come on Marlow - get your head out of the sand and look around you.

You didn't answer the question: New Zealanders have no issue with their moms and wives being prostitutes, right? Think real hard . . .

I don't have to think hard, in fact even think, on this subject.
You are the one in your self righteous moralizing who is making that connection, that assumption.

What I am saying is that most New Zealanders, like most of the rest of the developed world, are not going to sit around in self righteous moralistic judgment of someone like Suzy Favor.

New Zealand has legalised prostitution because of recognition that:
1. Only the woman selling the service were breaking the law
2. It was men who created the demand for such service be available
3. Many of the clients inhabited the highest realms of New Zealand society - politicians, judges, priests and the like (just like the USA).

I love the USA, I am grateful for all the opportunities that the USA gave me. However, I get tired of the many double moral standards the the USA operates under; prostitution being just one of them. Water boarding torture is OK if the USA government does it in a country other than the USA; holding people for years in Guantanamo with trial or charges is OK because they are not in the USA (even though the Government tells Cuba it is part of the USA).

It makes me angry because the USA is better than that.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:34 pm

Tuariki wrote:Your unfortunate preachings behind the cloak of anonymity have all the hallmarks of those upright pillars of society and religious scions from the 1980s such as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Bakker. And those of the past 2 years such as Vaughn Reeves, Stephen Green, Albert Odulele, Allan Cundick, David Yonggi Cho, Jason Russell, Kong Hee, and Jack Schaap.

Those who preach loudest often tend to be the worst offenders. Remember, it takes 2 to tango. How much more fun it would be to have the names published of those who handed over $600.

One thing you are right about though - "its her life, let decide her destination".


Let me be clear Tuariki, because you are the one preaching here, not me. Those who like to condemn others for holding a certain morality that others are not ashamed to admit they don't hold often fail to see their own intolerance exhibited in their rantings. I have not denounced SFH or her actions, nor have I denounced anyone who supports what she chooses to do. I simple agreed that personally, I share the views of Marlow on the matter. It is hard to see how people cannot grasp that. How is that preaching, especially what you have done in this discussion in the reverse?

The discussions of you coming here on your wife's earnings were meant in jest. Perhaps you failed to see the humor. I mean do we really expect a wife of your's at her age to command such money?

So your so open about your views on this, and seemingly aghast at how others might feel differently, openly criticizing their mere mention of reflection on these events, let me ask you this question? You don't really have to answer it, but maybe ponder it.

How would you feel about introducing your daughters or grand daughters to this profession you seem to feel has no negative connotations? Would you recommend a career of such as this to them right along with many others they have to choose from? If not, why not?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 pm

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mmmm I am so confused, what Suzy did was honest and no big deal, but she said it was a horrible mistake and feels terrible about the people she hurt and is seeking help from professionals.... maybe she is lying?... I just cant connect these dots, I am so confused!

My guess is that Suzy only thinks it was a horrible mistake because she was outed by the media.
This is a normal reaction for people who partake in an activity many in society consider immoral but are then outed by the media. For example, I believe (without any evidence to back me up) that the only thing Arnie regretted was that he was outed. I don't believe for a minute he was sorry for what he did. I don't believe Tiger Woods was sorry for what he did. They were only sorry for being outed and the financial impact it would have on them.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:42 pm

Tuariki wrote:I don't have to think hard, in fact even think, on this subject.
You are the one in your self righteous moralizing who is making that connection, that assumption.

I guess that about sums it up then! :lol:
Please show me where I 'self-righteously moralized'. It was Suzy who said how bad it was. Are you saying she's the sadly deluded self-righteous moralizer?
You seem to be getting rather lit up about all this. Why do you suppose that is?
Tell me clearly: what do NZers think of a mom/wife who has sex for money with strangers? Simple question.

Tuariki wrote:My guess is that Suzy only thinks it was a horrible mistake because she was outed by the media.

Guess again. Why would she care if it's no big deal to her? What does she care about a bunch of self-righteous moralizers?!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:49 pm

odelltrclan wrote:The discussions of you coming here on your wife's earnings were meant in jest. Perhaps you failed to see the humor. I mean do we really expect a wife of your's at her age to command such money?

Whether in jest or not, I fail to see the humour in you implying/suggesting to everyone on this message board that my wife is a prostitute.

odelltrclan wrote:How would you feel about introducing your daughters or grand daughters to this profession you seem to feel has no negative connotations? Would you recommend a career of such as this to them right along with many others they have to choose from? If not, why not?

Likewise, I would never stoop so low as to ask someone on a public international message board if they would be willing to introduce their daughters or grand daughters to prostitution.

For the record, if they asked for my advice and/or opinion I would strongly counsel them against it.

I have represented many young girls in legal proceedings here in New Zealand who were accused of unlawful prostitution. While our laws are IMO a lot more advanced than those of the USA we also still have some way to go. We have our own double standards. Prostitution is only legal in NZ if you are a citizen or the holder of the US equivalent of a green card. I have managed to sort things out for all of my clients because I was able to prove that the authorities themselves broke the law in trying to prove my clients were breaking the law. And as Justice Young in the High Court said, the police had no evidence, only a well founded suspicion.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:56 pm

Tuariki wrote:I fail to see the humour in you implying/suggesting to everyone on this message board that my wife is a prostitute.
Likewise, I would never stoop so low as to ask someone on a public international message board if they would be willing to introduce their daughters or grand daughters to prostitution.

Why?! You are already on record that prostitution is 'much ado about NOTHING'. Are you perchance self-righteously moralizing that there might be something wrong with prostitution??!! :shock:
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:02 pm

where prostitution is between two consenting adults it is much ado about nothing.'
Where it is a situation of a female being forced to engage in such activities then the participants and the organisers should be prosecuted to full extent of the law in those countries that actually have properly punitive laws against such acts.

Unfortunately in many depraved countries such acts are considered to be within the norms of standard civilized behaviour. You know, those countries where if a man wants it and the girls is 10 and Dad accepts the price then it is OK.
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