i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...


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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:34 pm

Tuariki wrote:Your unfortunate preachings behind the cloak of anonymity have all the hallmarks of those upright pillars of society and religious scions from the 1980s such as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Bakker. And those of the past 2 years such as Vaughn Reeves, Stephen Green, Albert Odulele, Allan Cundick, David Yonggi Cho, Jason Russell, Kong Hee, and Jack Schaap.

Those who preach loudest often tend to be the worst offenders. Remember, it takes 2 to tango. How much more fun it would be to have the names published of those who handed over $600.

One thing you are right about though - "its her life, let decide her destination".


Let me be clear Tuariki, because you are the one preaching here, not me. Those who like to condemn others for holding a certain morality that others are not ashamed to admit they don't hold often fail to see their own intolerance exhibited in their rantings. I have not denounced SFH or her actions, nor have I denounced anyone who supports what she chooses to do. I simple agreed that personally, I share the views of Marlow on the matter. It is hard to see how people cannot grasp that. How is that preaching, especially what you have done in this discussion in the reverse?

The discussions of you coming here on your wife's earnings were meant in jest. Perhaps you failed to see the humor. I mean do we really expect a wife of your's at her age to command such money?

So your so open about your views on this, and seemingly aghast at how others might feel differently, openly criticizing their mere mention of reflection on these events, let me ask you this question? You don't really have to answer it, but maybe ponder it.

How would you feel about introducing your daughters or grand daughters to this profession you seem to feel has no negative connotations? Would you recommend a career of such as this to them right along with many others they have to choose from? If not, why not?
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:
Tuariki wrote:[

mmmm I am so confused, what Suzy did was honest and no big deal, but she said it was a horrible mistake and feels terrible about the people she hurt and is seeking help from professionals.... maybe she is lying?... I just cant connect these dots, I am so confused!

My guess is that Suzy only thinks it was a horrible mistake because she was outed by the media.
This is a normal reaction for people who partake in an activity many in society consider immoral but are then outed by the media. For example, I believe (without any evidence to back me up) that the only thing Arnie regretted was that he was outed. I don't believe for a minute he was sorry for what he did. I don't believe Tiger Woods was sorry for what he did. They were only sorry for being outed and the financial impact it would have on them.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:42 pm

Tuariki wrote:I don't have to think hard, in fact even think, on this subject.
You are the one in your self righteous moralizing who is making that connection, that assumption.

I guess that about sums it up then! :lol:
Please show me where I 'self-righteously moralized'. It was Suzy who said how bad it was. Are you saying she's the sadly deluded self-righteous moralizer?
You seem to be getting rather lit up about all this. Why do you suppose that is?
Tell me clearly: what do NZers think of a mom/wife who has sex for money with strangers? Simple question.

Tuariki wrote:My guess is that Suzy only thinks it was a horrible mistake because she was outed by the media.

Guess again. Why would she care if it's no big deal to her? What does she care about a bunch of self-righteous moralizers?!
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:49 pm

odelltrclan wrote:The discussions of you coming here on your wife's earnings were meant in jest. Perhaps you failed to see the humor. I mean do we really expect a wife of your's at her age to command such money?

Whether in jest or not, I fail to see the humour in you implying/suggesting to everyone on this message board that my wife is a prostitute.

odelltrclan wrote:How would you feel about introducing your daughters or grand daughters to this profession you seem to feel has no negative connotations? Would you recommend a career of such as this to them right along with many others they have to choose from? If not, why not?

Likewise, I would never stoop so low as to ask someone on a public international message board if they would be willing to introduce their daughters or grand daughters to prostitution.

For the record, if they asked for my advice and/or opinion I would strongly counsel them against it.

I have represented many young girls in legal proceedings here in New Zealand who were accused of unlawful prostitution. While our laws are IMO a lot more advanced than those of the USA we also still have some way to go. We have our own double standards. Prostitution is only legal in NZ if you are a citizen or the holder of the US equivalent of a green card. I have managed to sort things out for all of my clients because I was able to prove that the authorities themselves broke the law in trying to prove my clients were breaking the law. And as Justice Young in the High Court said, the police had no evidence, only a well founded suspicion.
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:56 pm

Tuariki wrote:I fail to see the humour in you implying/suggesting to everyone on this message board that my wife is a prostitute.
Likewise, I would never stoop so low as to ask someone on a public international message board if they would be willing to introduce their daughters or grand daughters to prostitution.

Why?! You are already on record that prostitution is 'much ado about NOTHING'. Are you perchance self-righteously moralizing that there might be something wrong with prostitution??!! :shock:
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Re: i guess this wins as shocking story of the year...

Postby Tuariki » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:02 pm

where prostitution is between two consenting adults it is much ado about nothing.'
Where it is a situation of a female being forced to engage in such activities then the participants and the organisers should be prosecuted to full extent of the law in those countries that actually have properly punitive laws against such acts.

Unfortunately in many depraved countries such acts are considered to be within the norms of standard civilized behaviour. You know, those countries where if a man wants it and the girls is 10 and Dad accepts the price then it is OK.
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