Lard Of The Rings


A place for the discussion of all things not closely related to the sport and its competitive side. (as always, locked for the duration of major international championship)

Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:15 am

that was the large headline on the front of my entertainment section today (even though the online version says "Chore Of The Rings").

oh my!

<<...First came the original trilogy, a popular success and critically acclaimed. Then, some years later, a second trilogy began, a prequel to the original, and the first installment of this second trilogy turned out to be awful. We saw this pattern play out once, with "Star Wars," and now, alas, it begins again, with "The Hobbit," a movie that is exactly one Jar Jar Binks away from being as bad as "The Phantom Menace."...>>

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/movies/article/Th ... z2F2W4SQWP

(this from my favorite movie reviewer, but despite his protestations, sounds like a movie that true Rings fans will gobble up)
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:22 am

When I was teen I read the trilogy first and loved it. Than I read The Hobbit - not so much.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby tandfman » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:08 am

The NY Times had a field day with this one, too.

In “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey,” Peter Jackson’s adaptation of J. R. R. Tolkien’s first Middle-earth fantasy novel, Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) sets out with the wizard Gandalf (Ian McKellen) and a posse of dwarfs to battle a fearsome dragon. [Spoiler alert] they do not kill the dragon, although [spoiler alert] they eventually will, within the next 18 months or so, because [spoiler alert] this “Hobbit,” which is [migraine alert] 170 minutes, is the first installment in [film critic suicide-watch alert] a trilogy.


http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/mo ... ckson.html
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Daisy » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:21 am

The Hobbit is being spun into a trilogy? Where is all this material coming from? Is Jackson incorporating the stories from the Silmarillion too?
Daisy
 
Posts: 13153
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:25 am

A Hobbit TRILOGY? :shock:
Oh, Peter, why hast thou $uccumbed to the minion$ of Evil?
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:35 am

we discussed this earlier this year. As I said then, rather than lamenting that the original should have been longer, I say celebrate the fact that Jackson was able to create such a runaway success of remarkable length the first time around (and I still can't fathom how he sold a studio on that), and that has allowed him to do The Hobbit at what could be considered a "proper" length.

I'd love to envision LOTR done as a TV series, taking an hour on each chapter of the trilogy, running for years!

No, this new one doesn't incorporate The Silmarillion but Jackson has continued to take liberties with introducing new characters and also insert real people from LOTR into the Hobbit who were never there in the book.

(I guess I can make an exception for Evangeline Lilly :mrgreen: )
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:08 pm

gh wrote:but Jackson has continued to take liberties with introducing new characters and also insert real people from LOTR into the Hobbit who were never there in the book.

Tolkein did the same thing. After the success of the the Ring Trilogy, he rewrote The Hobbit with precursory elements of the subsequent books!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:03 pm

"rewrote" is a bit strong.

Check out the myriad details in this (and we think tracknuts don't have lives!)

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/08 ... -too-much/
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby tandfman » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:56 pm

gh wrote:(and we think tracknuts don't have lives!)

No, gh. We KNOW trackhuts don't have lives. However I, for one, have never thought we were the only ones. :D
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:11 pm

gh wrote:"rewrote" is a bit strong.
Check out the myriad details in this (and we think tracknuts don't have lives!)
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/08 ... -too-much/

From your link:
Tolkien did, around 1960, undertake to revise The Hobbit substantially to bring the narrative more in line with The Lord of the Rings.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:24 pm

read on, Macduff (wow! never thought I have such a perfect opening for a pun as bad as that!).

Several grafs later, the same piece notes <<...It should be remembered, after all, that in 1960, Tolkien abandoned the attempt to rewrite The Hobbit, partly because it was impractical, and partly because a friend who read what he had written told him that it was wonderful but, “it’s not The Hobbit.” He settled for minor revisions to the text (e.g., the mention of mithril) for the 1965 edition.>>
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby BruceFlorman » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:09 am

BruceFlorman
 
Posts: 1305
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Back home again in Indiana

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:31 am

gh wrote:read on, Macduff (wow! never thought I have such a perfect opening for a pun as bad as that!).

Dang! Hoist on me own petard!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:20 am

Between the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings the level of seriousness and violence etc increases. Within each book it does the same. Having defined and set out the setting and characters and drama on the more massive scale first, makes it hard to go back to an innocent start and develop it to a level of violence etc well below that of LOTR.

I find it an interesting idea, one I doubt I would have had otherwise, that gh brought up about having it as a TV series with a 'chapter a day' allowing the fuller and longer development of the story.
26mi235
 
Posts: 16320
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Madison, WI

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Anthony Treacher » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:59 am

You know. I have not read one word of the L*rd of the Rings. Don't feel like it. Goes for Harry Potter and all. Am I completely alone in this?
Anthony Treacher
 
Posts: 57
Joined: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:48 am
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby lonewolf » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:44 pm

Anthony Treacher wrote:You know. I have not read one word of the L*rd of the Rings. Don't feel like it. Goes for Harry Potter and all. Am I completely alone in this?

No, there are at least two of us.
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8814
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby tandfman » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:07 pm

lonewolf wrote:
Anthony Treacher wrote:You know. I have not read one word of the L*rd of the Rings. Don't feel like it. Goes for Harry Potter and all. Am I completely alone in this?

No, there are at least two of us.

Three, and counting.
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby tandfman » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:08 pm

A tweet today from Ken Jennings, super Jeopardy champ:

The days before Christmas seem to drag on forever if you're a little kid or anyone watching The Hobbit
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby dukehjsteve » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:43 pm

When I first saw the Post title, I thought it was going to be about fat weight ( SP- DT- HT ) men.
dukehjsteve
 
Posts: 6056
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Fishers, IN

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Tuariki » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:32 pm

tandfman wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
Anthony Treacher wrote:You know. I have not read one word of the L*rd of the Rings. Don't feel like it. Goes for Harry Potter and all. Am I completely alone in this?

No, there are at least two of us.

Three, and counting.

And then there was four
Tuariki
 
Posts: 1292
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:39 pm
Location: Rohe o Te Whanau a Apanui

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby mump boy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:07 am

Marlow wrote:When I was teen I read the trilogy first and loved it. Than I read The Hobbit - not so much.


I only managed to read The Hobbit last week but it's rubbish and how they manage to stretch it to 3 films i'll never know !!
mump boy
 
Posts: 5636
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: saaaaaarf london

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Tuariki » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:44 am

mump boy wrote:
Marlow wrote:When I was teen I read the trilogy first and loved it. Than I read The Hobbit - not so much.


I only managed to read The Hobbit last week but it's rubbish and how they manage to stretch it to 3 films i'll never know !!

Then you need to go to the movie mump. And then, at least, you will know.
Tuariki
 
Posts: 1292
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:39 pm
Location: Rohe o Te Whanau a Apanui

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby JRM » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:49 pm

Saw the film tonight. I couldn't help but be reminded, everytime the dwarves went into free-fall and crash-landed on each other (which seemed quite often) of "Time Bandits"....

The best part was the 10-minute preview of the new Star Trek. Although, I must say, I was confused as to why the Enterprise was hiding underwater. "So the natives couldn't see it and their society contaminated, in violation of the Prime Directive!". Yes I understand. But if they're a spear-throwing society, as depicted, they probably won't see a starship in orbit above their planet, either... but they actually might see it rising out of the ocean.

Oh well, to be answered in May, I assume. But I digress...
JRM
 
Posts: 2625
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: Woodland Hills, CA

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby scottmitchell74 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:31 am

Went to Denny's to eat Hobbit Food, then saw the movie. My girls loved it. That's good enough for me. For my part, I liked it. It is what it is, a slightly more childish view of Middle Earth. The Hobbit was, after all, written for Tolkien's kid.
scottmitchell74
 
Posts: 1001
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:49 am
Location: Abilene, TX

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:50 am

Finally went to see it last night and had to force myself not to fall asleep in the first hour. It seems to have been made for the kiddies, but then the last hour is far too scary for young'ns. I may actually have to boycott the next two. It just proves that even a cinematic genius like Peter Jackson has to have SOME material to work with.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby jeremyp » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:38 am

Saw it yesterday and found myself enchanted again, in spite of nothing new. Same old wonderful CGI, almost same old characters, same old unintelligible Gollum-who looked meaner-and most of all same old British accents. Too little of Cate, and a tad too many OrciTrolly monstrosities. I hope the Ents reappear and maybe more giant spiders!
jeremyp
 
Posts: 4542
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Florida

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby DrJay » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:54 pm

Just got home from seeing it. My date thought it should be called "The Hobbit-like" since so much of it was made up for the movie and did not appear in the book. The chase/battle scenes reminded me of the worst Indiana Jones movie, with dwarves falling dozens to a hundred feet or more and barely getting a bruise. Giving the trolls quaint British accents and having them joke about seasoning the dwarves as they cook them? Way too silly. Something like "The Hobbit Meets Monthy Python's Holy Grail." Slow and tedious. The riddle scene with Gollum was the one redeeming part.
DrJay
 
Posts: 5485
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Woodland Park, CO

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby shivfan » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:13 am

I read the Hobbit first, as a child, and enjoyed it, because it was more of a child's book than Lord of the Rings....

I saw the movie last week, and enjoyed it too....
shivfan
 
Posts: 2588
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:30 am
Location: Just outside London

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby lapsus » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:12 am

Watched it yesterday. It was the first movie I enjoyed watching in 3D. The extra clarity really helped in keeping my eyes fresh. For me, there is nothing sacred about the film blur, especially if it means juddering, tiring-to-the-eyes 3D. The so-called soap opera effect disappears once you get immersed to the movie - it is all in your mind, after all. So technically I really liked the movie, even if there were a few times where I got the feeling that the director and cameraman had not quite mastered the new format yet (I'm sure using 48fps requires updating many established movie-making skills).

The movie? I thought it had a decent story and excellent pacing after the first half hour or so. I even liked the use of some Tolkien songs - and I often pretty much skipped over them while reading the books. Instead of writing some hacky movie dialogue to fill gaps between scenes (something I thought the Lord of the Rings trilogy suffered from at times), the songs punctuated the movie nicely.

The story did suffer from being the first episode in a trilogy, it was more like the first episode of a miniseries than a movie that can stand on its own.

However, I don't really understand some critics' complaints of "tedium" - if anything, I think a couple of the action scenes were overdone and could have been cut a lot shorter.

But that is a common complaint I have about modern movies. Every time the heroes go into the superhero/video game mode of fighting hordes of enemies, surviving massive falls off cliffs, and performing multiple highly improbable feats of acrobatics in a row, my suspension of disbelief disappears. Less would be more.
lapsus
 
Posts: 881
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:40 am

After LOTR I on Saturday, LOTR II on Sunday an LOTR III yesterday, we're now fully ready for this afternoon's trek to the theater. Unfortunately, one of our party as motion-sickness issues, thus we can't do the IMAX version or 3D version. :-(
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Halfmiler2 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:09 pm

I read the book in high school and read the entire LOTR trilogy during Christmas break while in grad school.

I liked the movie but was surprised at the level of violence since the Hobbit was a kid's book. I thought a PG movie would have been more appropriate to the book than a PG-13 movie.

I have no problem with the movie bringing in material from other Tolkien sources. The movie does vary in some details from the book but I think less so than many other adaptations by Hollywood.

My two sons (ages 11 & 13) both liked it although not as much as the Avengers.
Halfmiler2
 
Posts: 1638
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:33 pm

I absolutely loved the thing, once I set aside my disdain for those who would tamper so mightily with a Tolkien product.

Having said that, had we seen Tolkien's never-effected reworking of The Hobbit after LOTR, I suspect that what Jackson and Co., is very much along the lines of where Tolkien would have gone. Hints of Saruman going bad 60 years earlier (a hiccup in Wiz time) make much sense.

(and one can never have too much Galadriel)

Martin Freeman was stunningly good as Bilbo (if you haven't seen his work in BBC's Sherlock Holmes series, you should catch it).

Some of the battle scenes raged on perhaps a bit too long,but the CGI work was stunning.

And I loved lots of the banter.

The only two characters that seemed off were Thorin, who for some reason is "handsome and manlike," whereas all the other dwarves are somewhat caricature-like. And the Orc king who spoke Etonian English just made no sense at all (and his similarity to Jabba The Hutt, I'm assuming, was no coincidence).

But I'll give 9 out of 10.
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Daisy » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:41 pm

gh wrote:But I'll give 9 out of 10.

High praise from a Tolkienphile. I'm going to take the kids tomorrow.
Daisy
 
Posts: 13153
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:28 pm

Peter Jackson's unabashed cash grab raising some hackles….

http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/H ... 039754.php
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:34 pm

gh wrote:Peter Jackson's unabashed cash grab raising some hackles….
http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/H ... 039754.php


Recent reports from "The Hobbit" set in New Zealand put the cost of the new trilogy currently at $561 million

:shock:
I don't see it as a cash-grab, as much as a paean to a much-beloved book, brought to the screen with no expense spared! Peter Jackson's directorial vision may be unsurpassed in modern cinema, which is not to say he's the best director (C Nolan has that locked down in my book), but that what he sees in his mind and then puts on the screen is AMAZING!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby gh » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:51 pm

Daisy wrote:
gh wrote:But I'll give 9 out of 10.

High praise from a Tolkienphile. I'm going to take the kids tomorrow.


I just did Hobbit 2, and I might give it a 10. Thought it utterly entertaining from top to bottom. Wonderful way to spend an Xmas afternoon.
gh
 
Posts: 46322
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby DrJay » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:48 am

The Peter Jackson curmudgeon here. I saw it with the kids Friday and I will actually give it about a 7. Lots of good things about it. Bilbo's personality works pretty well. The spider scene is really creepy, which means it's good, as spiders should be creepy. Smaug is a great bit of computer animation. The scene between Bilbo and Smaug is excellent, till it drags on too long. And the dragging on too long is a frequent problem in this 3+ movie-hour book turned into three 2 1/2 hour movies. I almost fell asleep during the opening party scene in #1, and the chase-battle scenes in #1 and this one (the barrel scene) just go on and on and on with far too many implausible battle acrobatics. Finally, I won't get over Jackson taking too much artistic license, such as in creating new characters like Tauriel (though we do get this as a side-bene: "Tauriel is part of Lego set No. 79001 titled Escape from Mirkwood Spiders, together with minifigures of Legolas and the Dwarves Fíli and Kíli.")

That said, it was more enjoyable than the first movie, and the time was ripe for me to give each of my two kids their own four-book boxed set of The Hobbit and the LOTR for Xmas, along with a 32" map of Middle Earth so they can follow the adventures as they read.
DrJay
 
Posts: 5485
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Woodland Park, CO

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby Marlow » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:54 am

DrJay wrote:four-book boxed set of The Hobbit and the LOTR for Xmas, along with a 32" map of Middle Earth so they can follow the adventures as they read.

As a 14-year-old I read LotR first, which made the later reading of The Hobbit a snooze, so warn them to hit H first.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21084
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: Lard Of The Rings

Postby DrJay » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:58 am

Marlow wrote:
DrJay wrote:four-book boxed set of The Hobbit and the LOTR for Xmas, along with a 32" map of Middle Earth so they can follow the adventures as they read.

As a 14-year-old I read LotR first, which made the later reading of The Hobbit a snooze, so warn them to hit H first.


Definitely, since The Hobbit also gives you part of the back-story. I read The Hobbit first, also back in junior high.
DrJay
 
Posts: 5485
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Woodland Park, CO


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests