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kuha wrote:This is a gigantic repudiation of the Republican brand.
Hardly. They held the House, and Romney looks like he will win the popular vote.
A bad day for the GOP and completely predicted. Losing seats in the House. Losing Senate seats when the GOP had to defend only 10 compared to the Democrats 23. Especially Indiana and Missouri! Let the Civil War in the GOP commence!
kuha wrote: No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.
Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.
2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
kuha wrote: No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.
Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.
2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.
2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
Flumpy wrote:But the racial demographics point towards a Democratic majority in the future. Unless the GOP start to make huge inroads into the Hispanic and Black vote they are doomed
Amen! In 1980, Reagna got 55% of the White vote. In 2008 McCain also got 55% of the White vote. The difference is that Whites comprised 90% of the electorate in 1980 versus 74% in 2008.
Demographics is destiny.
We'll see. It won't surprise me to see ever more naked attempts to disenfranchise large segments of the lower classes over the next four years.
kuha wrote: No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.
Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.
2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
Absolutely do not agree.
I don't agree either, or care either. Obama won and the Dems kept the Senate. As for the GOP keeping the House that has a lot to do with redistricting. But in the end who cares.
kuha wrote: No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.
Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.
2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
The future is on TV right now... the Republican crowd at their hdqtrs is White on White, while the Democratic mob represents every stripe of ethincity. It's a striking difference and unless the Republicans can change their mix then the GOP is dead in the water in regard to future prospects.
guru wrote:By the way, the early call in 2000 was Gore winning Florida, not Bush.
As i said things are MUCH more sophisticated now, early predictions for Gore were from exit polls but when Jeb Bush's voter intimidation had been taken into account those predictions were rescinded. Then while the rest of the world new it was too close to call and there were MASSIVE problems with hanging chads etc Fox called it for Bush on purpose
jazzcyclist wrote:Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.
Obama only leads by 1000 votes in Ohio, with 77% in, and provisionals outstanding. I dunno, but seems like an early call(as Florida was in 2000)
The technology id very different today than it was 12 years ago and the early call then was a partisan tactic from Karl Rove, Jeb Bush and Fox news
this time they have VERY specific information from individual districts and everyone is calling it
Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.
Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.
11:57 P.M. Outstanding Precincts in Ohio Appear to Favor Obama The votes counted so far in Ohio show an extraordinarily close race, with President Obama only about 1,000 ballots ahead of Mitt Romney as of 11:50 p.m.
But the vast bulk of precincts that have yet to report their results in Ohio are in counties that have gone for Mr. Obama.
Cuyahoga County, home to Cleveland, has had only half of its precincts report and could yield another 100,000 votes or so for Mr. Obama.
Toledo’s Lucas County, which has strongly favored Mr. Obama so far, has had only 12 percent of its precincts report.
There are also votes outstanding in the Cleveland suburbs, and in Dayton, also areas that have gone for Mr. Obama so far. Conversely, the vast majority of areas where Mr. Romney leads have reported 100 percent of their ballots.
As I said, it doesnt matter at this point. But would be ahuge poke in the eye of the exit poll predictions if Romney can win Ohio after everyone called it for Obama.
Also, before any of my friends on the left ridicule Romney, remember Kerry didnt concede in '04 until Wednesday
mump boy wrote:Nobody can afford to ignore the Latino vote anymore, they know it and will become increasingly confident and vocal about it
There will have to be some consensus on immigration (amongst other things obvs) for any party to be competitive in the future
NBC is reporting that Hispanics in Nevada and Colorado voted 90% Obama. Obama earned a lot of good will amongst them when he appointed Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. If the Democrats nominate San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro (this year's DNC keynote speaker) in 2016, they might turn Texas blue and lock up the Hispanic vote for a generation.
The following things were said during the Republican primary:
Rick Santorum: “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money. Herman Cain: “We'll have a real fence, 20 ft. high with barbed wire [on the Mexico/US border], electrified, with a sign on the other side that says, 'It can kill you.”
The Republican "demographic" problem will continue with such attitudes.
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As I said, it doesnt matter at this point. But would be ahuge poke in the eye of the exit poll predictions if Romney can win Ohio after everyone called it for Obama.
Also, before any of my friends on the left ridicule Romney, remember Kerry didnt concede in '04 until Wednesday
It doesn't matter how many counties, it matters about the population and what % has been counted. Urban precincts are bigger and have counted a smaller % of votes so far
mump boy wrote:Nobody can afford to ignore the Latino vote anymore, they know it and will become increasingly confident and vocal about it
There will have to be some consensus on immigration (amongst other things obvs) for any party to be competitive in the future
NBC is reporting that Hispanics in Nevada and Colorado voted 90% Obama. Obama earned a lot of good will amongst them when he appointed Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. If the Democrats nominate San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro (this year's DNC keynote speaker) in 2016, they might turn Texas blue and lock up the Hispanic vote for a generation.
I don't think Dems can follow an african american with a latin nominee. They can follow with a woman and a latin Veep though
