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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Daisy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:41 pm

kuha wrote:This is a gigantic repudiation of the Republican brand.

I wish it were, but there were some candidates that got far to many votes considering their comments.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby kuha » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:43 pm

Daisy wrote:
kuha wrote:This is a gigantic repudiation of the Republican brand.

I wish it were, but there were some candidates that got far to many votes considering their comments.


If you mean that some of the losers deserved to get 0 votes, I'd agree. But it is interesting that Akin and Mourdock lost, Warren won, etc.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:43 pm

guru wrote:
kuha wrote:This is a gigantic repudiation of the Republican brand.



Hardly. They held the House, and Romney looks like he will win the popular vote.


A bad day for the GOP and completely predicted. Losing seats in the House. Losing Senate seats when the GOP had to defend only 10 compared to the Democrats 23. Especially Indiana and Missouri! Let the Civil War in the GOP commence!
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Tuariki » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:44 pm

Even in the Antipodes we know that when Fox throws in the towel it is all over
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby kuha » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:46 pm

Conor Dary wrote: Let the Civil War in the GOP commence!


They need to do it. And then we'll see whether their "North" or their "South" wins. No telling at this point.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby JRM » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:47 pm

Two videos, for your consideration (I played them on Nov 4th, 2008, so it seems appropriate....):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6vAuS0KNs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:47 pm

kuha wrote:
No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.



Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.

2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby dj » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:48 pm

Jon Stewart made an early call of Romney winning . . . the Confederate States.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby kuha » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:49 pm

guru wrote:
kuha wrote:
No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.



Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.

2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.


Absolutely do not agree.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:50 pm

Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:51 pm

kuha wrote:
guru wrote:

Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.

2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.


Absolutely do not agree.



As is your right. But the numbers don't lie.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:53 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.



Obama only leads by 1000 votes in Ohio, with 77% in, and provisionals outstanding. I dunno, but seems like an early call(as Florida was in 2000)
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby BruceFlorman » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:54 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Flumpy wrote:But the racial demographics point towards a Democratic majority in the future. Unless the GOP start to make huge inroads into the Hispanic and Black vote they are doomed

Amen! In 1980, Reagna got 55% of the White vote. In 2008 McCain also got 55% of the White vote. The difference is that Whites comprised 90% of the electorate in 1980 versus 74% in 2008.

Demographics is destiny.

We'll see. It won't surprise me to see ever more naked attempts to disenfranchise large segments of the lower classes over the next four years.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:54 pm

kuha wrote:
guru wrote:
kuha wrote:
No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.



Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.

2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.


Absolutely do not agree.


I don't agree either, or care either. Obama won and the Dems kept the Senate. As for the GOP keeping the House that has a lot to do with redistricting. But in the end who cares.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Flumpy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:00 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Let the Civil War in the GOP commence!


Can't wait :lol:
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:01 pm

MSNBC is making fun of of Karl Rove and the other folks on FOX refusing to accept defeat. Also, Donald Trump is reportedly calling for a revolution.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Dutra5 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:03 pm

guru wrote:
kuha wrote:
No, plain and simple. If you prefer the phrase "major repudiation" or "decisive repudiation" then you are welcome to them.



Sorry, but any use of repudiation would include the Republicans losing the House, and Obama winning popular vote. One won't happen, and the other, we shall see.

2008 was a repudiation, just like 2010 was for Democrats. But this year is nothing but maintaining status quo.


Obama will win the popular vote.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:04 pm

guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.



Obama only leads by 1000 votes in Ohio, with 77% in, and provisionals outstanding. I dunno, but seems like an early call(as Florida was in 2000)


The technology id very different today than it was 12 years ago and the early call then was a partisan tactic from Karl Rove, Jeb Bush and Fox news

this time they have VERY specific information from individual districts and everyone is calling it
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jhc68 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:07 pm

The future is on TV right now... the Republican crowd at their hdqtrs is White on White, while the Democratic mob represents every stripe of ethincity. It's a striking difference and unless the Republicans can change their mix then the GOP is dead in the water in regard to future prospects.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:07 pm

mump boy wrote:
guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.



Obama only leads by 1000 votes in Ohio, with 77% in, and provisionals outstanding. I dunno, but seems like an early call(as Florida was in 2000)


The technology id very different today than it was 12 years ago and the early call then was a partisan tactic from Karl Rove, Jeb Bush and Fox news

this time they have VERY specific information from individual districts and everyone is calling it



Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.

Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby DrJay » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:08 pm

So far a fairly civil thread here. Good job!
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:11 pm

By the way, the early call in 2000 was Gore winning Florida, not Bush.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:14 pm

Colorado has been called for Obama and Ohio doesn't even matter any more.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby Dutra5 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:15 pm

guru wrote:
Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.

Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.


You sure you looked at that map correctly. All sources report Obama up by just over 20k in Ohio.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:20 pm

guru wrote:By the way, the early call in 2000 was Gore winning Florida, not Bush.


As i said things are MUCH more sophisticated now, early predictions for Gore were from exit polls but when Jeb Bush's voter intimidation had been taken into account those predictions were rescinded. Then while the rest of the world new it was too close to call and there were MASSIVE problems with hanging chads etc Fox called it for Bush on purpose

this is not the same at all
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:21 pm

guru wrote:
mump boy wrote:
guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Romney is still not ready to concede despite the fact that every major news organization has already called the election for Obama.



Obama only leads by 1000 votes in Ohio, with 77% in, and provisionals outstanding. I dunno, but seems like an early call(as Florida was in 2000)


The technology id very different today than it was 12 years ago and the early call then was a partisan tactic from Karl Rove, Jeb Bush and Fox news

this time they have VERY specific information from individual districts and everyone is calling it



Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.

Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.


11:57 P.M. Outstanding Precincts in Ohio Appear to Favor Obama
The votes counted so far in Ohio show an extraordinarily close race, with President Obama only about 1,000 ballots ahead of Mitt Romney as of 11:50 p.m.

But the vast bulk of precincts that have yet to report their results in Ohio are in counties that have gone for Mr. Obama.

Cuyahoga County, home to Cleveland, has had only half of its precincts report and could yield another 100,000 votes or so for Mr. Obama.

Toledo’s Lucas County, which has strongly favored Mr. Obama so far, has had only 12 percent of its precincts report.

There are also votes outstanding in the Cleveland suburbs, and in Dayton, also areas that have gone for Mr. Obama so far. Conversely, the vast majority of areas where Mr. Romney leads have reported 100 percent of their ballots.


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... -election/
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:22 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
guru wrote:
Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.

Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.


You sure you looked at that map correctly. All sources report Obama up by just over 20k in Ohio.



Starting to fluctuate now. Latest at 81% shows Obama back up by 12,000. 2,389,9991 - 2,377,364. CBS starting to backtrack.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:27 pm

Nobody can afford to ignore the Latino vote anymore, they know it and will become increasingly confident and vocal about it

There will have to be some consensus on immigration (amongst other things obvs) for any party to be competitive in the future
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:28 pm

guru wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
guru wrote:
Romney now up by over 20,000. Predictable, since rural votes are the last to come in. I know - I live here.

Doesnt matter, since it looks like Obama has it with or without Ohio. But it's trending that he won't win here.


You sure you looked at that map correctly. All sources report Obama up by just over 20k in Ohio.



Starting to fluctuate now. Latest at 81% shows Obama back up by 12,000. 2,389,9991 - 2,377,364. CBS starting to backtrack.


It's only going to get better from Obama the majority of votes to be counted are from Dem strongholds
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:35 pm

and as predicted Obama now ahead in popular vote which is only going to grow as west coast count comes in
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:36 pm

mump boy wrote:
It's only going to get better from Obama the majority of votes to be counted are from Dem strongholds



Here's the breakdown. Of nine counties outstanding, five are relatively urban, four are rural.

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/polit ... Jnr-sVpeSq

As I said, it doesnt matter at this point. But would be ahuge poke in the eye of the exit poll predictions if Romney can win Ohio after everyone called it for Obama.

Also, before any of my friends on the left ridicule Romney, remember Kerry didnt concede in '04 until Wednesday
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:37 pm

mump boy wrote:Nobody can afford to ignore the Latino vote anymore, they know it and will become increasingly confident and vocal about it

There will have to be some consensus on immigration (amongst other things obvs) for any party to be competitive in the future

NBC is reporting that Hispanics in Nevada and Colorado voted 90% Obama. Obama earned a lot of good will amongst them when he appointed Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. If the Democrats nominate San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro (this year's DNC keynote speaker) in 2016, they might turn Texas blue and lock up the Hispanic vote for a generation.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby TrakFan » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:39 pm

The following things were said during the Republican primary:

Rick Santorum: “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money.
Herman Cain: “We'll have a real fence, 20 ft. high with barbed wire [on the Mexico/US border], electrified, with a sign on the other side that says, 'It can kill you.”

The Republican "demographic" problem will continue with such attitudes.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:42 pm

guru wrote:
mump boy wrote:
It's only going to get better from Obama the majority of votes to be counted are from Dem strongholds



Here's the breakdown. Of nine counties outstanding, five are relatively urban, four are rural.

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/polit ... Jnr-sVpeSq

As I said, it doesnt matter at this point. But would be ahuge poke in the eye of the exit poll predictions if Romney can win Ohio after everyone called it for Obama.

Also, before any of my friends on the left ridicule Romney, remember Kerry didnt concede in '04 until Wednesday


It doesn't matter how many counties, it matters about the population and what % has been counted. Urban precincts are bigger and have counted a smaller % of votes so far
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:43 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
mump boy wrote:Nobody can afford to ignore the Latino vote anymore, they know it and will become increasingly confident and vocal about it

There will have to be some consensus on immigration (amongst other things obvs) for any party to be competitive in the future

NBC is reporting that Hispanics in Nevada and Colorado voted 90% Obama. Obama earned a lot of good will amongst them when he appointed Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. If the Democrats nominate San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro (this year's DNC keynote speaker) in 2016, they might turn Texas blue and lock up the Hispanic vote for a generation.


I don't think Dems can follow an african american with a latin nominee. They can follow with a woman and a latin Veep though :D
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jeremyp » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm

If you followed the statisticians, and TF fans should, they had Obama leading the electoral vote for months, narrowly, but never behind. Nate Silver at NY Times had it right. The problem is that much of the media ignored the electoral vote issue and focused on the popular vote, probably to keep people thinking it was "too close to call", I wrote a letter to my local newspaper about it and they printed it but left out my comment that Obama was leading. Of course Fox had to ignore it and trashed statistician's like Silver who were using "facts" not "myths."
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm

Virginia just declared for Obama. According to NBC, the counties that haven't yet reported in Ohio are counties in which Obama won 2/3rds of the vote in 2008.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby guru » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:50 pm

When you cut through the rhetoric and hyperbole, nothing has changed. Congress is split, Obama is president. Unfortunately for the country, expect four more years of same old, same old.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby mump boy » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:00 pm

guru wrote:When you cut through the rhetoric and hyperbole, nothing has changed. Congress is split, Obama is president. Unfortunately for the country, expect four more years of same old, same old.


Well Reps may have to learn to compromise but many are too scared of losing a primary to a Tea Party loon
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE ELECTION? (now open)

Postby TrakFan » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:01 pm

guru wrote:When you cut through the rhetoric and hyperbole, nothing has changed. Congress is split, Obama is president. Unfortunately for the country, expect four more years of same old, same old.


I agree -- especially based on the attitude of some politicians. I'm curious what the Senate Minority Leader's "number one priority" will be now? He was on a mission to make Obama a "one term President."
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