How do you pronounce Missouri?


A place for the discussion of all things not closely related to the sport and its competitive side. (as always, locked for the duration of major international championship)

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:14 pm

Pego wrote:My daughter lived in a Chicago area for 10 years. I never heard Shy Town.

That's all my Navy buddies (stationed in Detroit) called it. Perhaps it was an affectation or belittlement.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby jhc68 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:19 pm

My dad was born and raised on a farm near Joplin in (as he said it) the state of Missourah. Then, again, he called Yucca Valley, California, Yawka Valley.
He was definitely rural and old school, having been born in 1897 or, as he invariably said, 18 AND 97. There was a grammatical shift at the turn of the century in my father's world... I was born in plain 1946 but he was born in 18 AND 97!!!
jhc68
 
Posts: 3289
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gh » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:09 pm

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:My daughter lived in a Chicago area for 10 years. I never heard Shy Town.

That's all my Navy buddies (stationed in Detroit) called it. Perhaps it was an affectation or belittlement.


I've certainly heard Chy-Town many times.
gh
 
Posts: 46299
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:13 pm

gh wrote:[I've certainly heard Chy-Town many times.

Common trucker lingo from the CB days.
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gh » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:23 pm

One of my all-time faves, as told to me by the late Leonard Hilton... Refugio, Texas, is pronounced ruh-furr-eeo
gh
 
Posts: 46299
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gm » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:24 pm

gh wrote:One of my all-time faves, as told to me by the late Leonard Hilton... Refugio, Texas, is pronounced ruh-furr-eeo


You beat me to it...spent many a summer there, one of (if not THE) greatest small towns in the country for producing T&F talent.
gm
 
Posts: 4555
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: "What's the pre-cooked weight on that lab?"

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby tandfman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:08 am

In downtown Manhattan (NY, not Kansas), there's a major street called Houston Street. New Yorkers pronounce it HOW-ston, not HYOU-ston or YOU-ston
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby preston » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:28 am

it's kind of unfair to include Massachussetts cities in the list. It might be fair to block out all of New England (if all you speak is American)

Gloucester - ain't glou-ces-ter or glow-ches-ster
Medford and New Bedford - sound nothing like "ford"
Peabody - don't sound like any "body"
And Worcester? Well, let me re "spell" it fawr ya, "wuh-sta"

And, as for Georgia. Well Dahlonega is not a sister pronunciation to Talladega (AL)
preston
 
Posts: 1075
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:09 pm

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:18 am

and the sentence "What's this, Worcestershire sauce?
is pronounced:
Whats-this-here-sauce? :D
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby tandfman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:10 am

Speaking of Massachusetts, the h in Amherst is not pronounced. It's AM-erst.
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby bad hammy » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:53 am

DrJay wrote:In KY, Versailles= "Versales" (Spoken with a twangy Southern accent.)

Same as a street in my current city, without the accent.

After growing up near Lafayette (LA fee et) CA I was humored in my Tennessee days to find myself down the road from Lafayette (luh FAY et). My guess is that they pronounce it totally differently in France.
bad hammy
 
Posts: 10880
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:10 am

bad hammy wrote:My guess is that they pronounce it totally differently in France.

lahf'-ay-et.
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:57 am

tandfman wrote:Speaking of Massachusetts, the h in Amherst is not pronounced. It's AM-erst.


Massachusetts tends to follow UK pronunciations. Thus the h is silent in Birmingham, Nottingham, Amherst, Framingham etc.
Conor Dary
 
Posts: 6297
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: कनोर दारी in Ronald MacDonald's Home Town, and once a Duck always a Duck.

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby br » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:54 am

Marlow wrote:
bad hammy wrote:My guess is that they pronounce it totally differently in France.

lahf'-ay-et.


'Lafayette' pronunciation in French.

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=lafayette

Sounds like Lah-FI-ette
br
 
Posts: 478
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gh » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:04 am

And I've heard Natchitoches, Louisiana, expressed as nasha-toosh
gh
 
Posts: 46299
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby br » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:08 pm

Fortunately, Coxsackie (Cook-SOCK-ee), New York, is not pronounced phonetically.
br
 
Posts: 478
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby bambam » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:28 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
tandfman wrote:Speaking of Massachusetts, the h in Amherst is not pronounced. It's AM-erst.


Massachusetts tends to follow UK pronunciations. Thus the h is silent in Birmingham, Nottingham, Amherst, Framingham etc.


The hell it is - I grew up in Framingham, went to Framingham North HS, and we always pronounced the h.

Concord, NC = con-cord
Concord, MA or NH = conk-urd
bambam
 
Posts: 3847
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Durham, NC

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby bambam » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:30 pm

And the one I can never remember, which is embarrassing, having lived in this state now for over 30 years -

Beaufort, NC = bow-furt
Beaufort, SC = bew-furt

I had to look it up to be certain!
bambam
 
Posts: 3847
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Durham, NC

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gm » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:19 pm

gh wrote:And I've heard Natchitoches, Louisiana, expressed as nasha-toosh


Nacco-tish
gm
 
Posts: 4555
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: "What's the pre-cooked weight on that lab?"

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:42 pm

bambam wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:
tandfman wrote:Speaking of Massachusetts, the h in Amherst is not pronounced. It's AM-erst.


Massachusetts tends to follow UK pronunciations. Thus the h is silent in Birmingham, Nottingham, Amherst, Framingham etc.


The hell it is - I grew up in Framingham, went to Framingham North HS, and we always pronounced the h.

Concord, NC = con-cord
Concord, MA or NH = conk-urd


Well I heard both ways when I lived in Boston for Framingham, but as you mention it the h being sounded does sound familiar. Or is that just Rawson pronouncing it during the Boston Marathon. But the Brits do drop the H.

You should try Shrewsbury, England, where the locals, who don't always get their way, call it as in Shrew, while the BBC has it Shrowsbury.
Conor Dary
 
Posts: 6297
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: कनोर दारी in Ronald MacDonald's Home Town, and once a Duck always a Duck.

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Halfmiler2 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:04 am

Of course, certain names are pronounced differently in different places:

Newark, NJ (one syllable) versus Newark, DE (two syllables)
Arkansas (state) versus Arkansas (river)
Houston (the street in NYC) versus Houston, TX
NYC Mayor Ed Koch versus the runner Marita Koch
Last edited by Halfmiler2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
Halfmiler2
 
Posts: 1636
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:13 am

Halfmiler2 wrote:Of course, certain names are pronounced differently in different places:

Heteronyms! English is rife with them.
(and then there's homophones and homonyms)

bow (bend over)-bow (front of boat)-bow (that you tie)-bow (shoots an arrow)
Then there's bough and bow wow.

"You don't know diddly!" said Bo. :D
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby tandfman » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:16 am

Halfmiler2 wrote:Of course, certain names are pronounced differently in different places:
Arkansas (state) versus Arkansas (river)

Apparently, even the river is pronounced differently in different places:
Name pronunciation varies by region. Many people in midwestern states, including Kansas and Colorado, pronounce it /ærˈkænzəs/ar-KAN-zəs,[8] while people in the state of Arkansas typically pronounce it /ˈɑrkənsɔː/AR-kən-saw according to a state law passed in 1881.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_River
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby j-a-m » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:25 am

tandfman wrote:Arkansas (state) versus Arkansas (river)

Didn't Les Miles go with the ar-KAN-zəs pronunciation a few years ago when LSU played Arkansas?
j-a-m
 
Posts: 2449
Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 8:21 pm

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby tandfman » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:13 am

I've been to 5 or 6 meets in Fayetteville, and I don't recall ever having heard it pronounced ar-KAN-zes.
tandfman
 
Posts: 15041
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:20 am

Ar-kan-sas City, Kansas .....Fayetteville, Ar-kan-saw,

The river changes pronounciation accordingly at the state line.
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby 502CD » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:07 pm

bambam wrote:The hell it is - I grew up in Framingham, went to Framingham North HS, and we always pronounced the h.

Concord, NC = con-cord
Concord, MA or NH = conk-urd


I used to work in Framingham and always pronounced the H as well.

What's comical though is the H is not pronounced in Amherst but it is pronounced in Northampton the next town over.
502CD
 
Posts: 286
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:45 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gh » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:08 pm

as I recall both Wichita State and Ouachita Baptist trace their lineage to the same tribe of native Americans.
gh
 
Posts: 46299
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Halfmiler2 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:29 pm

I also recall one of the first times I announced at a track & field meet, I almost got my head handed to me for pronouncing Cardinal Dougherty H.S. of Philadelphia as DAHR-er-tee. Of course, it is DOCK-er-tee.
Halfmiler2
 
Posts: 1636
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:50 pm

gh wrote:as I recall both Wichita State and Ouachita Baptist trace their lineage to the same tribe of native Americans.

I'm still confused by the distinctions among the Dakota, Lakota and Nakota Indians!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:18 pm

gh wrote:as I recall both Wichita State and Ouachita Baptist trace their lineage to the same tribe of native Americans.


Not exactly. It is a bit confusing.

The Ouachita (pronounced Wash-ita) were a NE Louisiana tribe that assimilated into the Nachitoch tribe and is now included on the Caddo, a dominant tribe in East Texas and Western Louisiana, tribal rolls.

Curiously, the Caddo reservation was/in SW Oklahoma.

Ouachita is a Choctaw word. The Choctaws, of course, were one of the Five Civilized Tribes that force migrated from SE USA in the 1840s Trail of Tears to reservation in Eastern Oklahoma, with present capital at Durant in SE OK.

The Ouachita Mountians in eastern Oklahoma/western Arkansas are geomorphically /metamorphosed/ troubled sedimentary mountains.

The Wichita were a plains tribe that roamed the Central Plains in Texas Oklahoma and Kansas: akin to the Kiowa, Comanche, Cheyenne, Arapahoe..
Wichita Falls, Texas and Wichita, Kansas were influenced by this plains trib.

The Wichita Mountains in Southwestern Oklahoma are uplifted granite exposures of the Amarillo Uplift which plunges underground in the Texas Panhandle and mark the southern flank of the Anadarko Basin in SW Oklahoma.

Strangely Washita County in SW Oklahoma is presumably named for the Ouachita tribe of eastern Oklahoma with the French spelling imported from Louisiana corrected.
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:44 am

lonewolf wrote:Not exactly. It is a bit confusing. . . . . followed by a lot of very cool info about Plains Indians.

Lonewolf, you truly are a fo(u)nt* of interesting knowledge! :D

* = I had to google that to see it's spelled both ways - who knew!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:57 am

Us'uns knew. I have both eastern (Choctaw/Creek) and western (Comanche) ancestors.
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:59 am

lonewolf wrote:Us'uns knew. I have both eastern (Choctaw/Creek) and western (Comanche) ancestors.

Lord willing and those pesky Creek don't rise again!
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:12 am

Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Us'uns knew. I have both eastern (Choctaw/Creek) and western (Comanche) ancestors.

Lord willing and those pesky Creek don't rise again!

The Creek are pretty passive.. its the Comanches you have to worry about. :)
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:05 pm

lonewolf wrote:
Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Us'uns knew. I have both eastern (Choctaw/Creek) and western (Comanche) ancestors.

Lord willing and those pesky Creek don't rise again!

The Creek are pretty passive.. its the Comanches you have to worry about. :)

From all the westerns I watched as a kid ( :wink: ), it wasn't the Sioux or Apache or even Comanche that we had to steer away from, it was the ARAPAHO!!! :shock:
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby bambam » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:10 pm

Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Us'uns knew. I have both eastern (Choctaw/Creek) and western (Comanche) ancestors.

Lord willing and those pesky Creek don't rise again!

The Creek are pretty passive.. its the Comanches you have to worry about. :)

From all the westerns I watched as a kid ( :wink: ), it wasn't the Sioux or Apache or even Comanche that we had to steer away from, it was the ARAPAHO!!! :shock:


I don't think the Arapaho count as a separate tribe - they don't have a casino, which I believe is the modern definition.
bambam
 
Posts: 3847
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Durham, NC

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:26 pm

Them too.

Arapaho is a distinct tribe that aligned with Southern Cheyenne in signing the third treaty of Medicine Lodge, circa 1867, giving up traditional hunting grounds from Kansas border to the Arkansas River in exchange for a "forever" reservation in west-central Indian Territory between the Canadian River and Kansas ... things got nastier as the government repeatedly and unilaterally violated the treaty in squeezing the tribes south of the Cimarron River.

Cheyenne-Araphoe currently have a very prosperous casino in Canadian County on what is left of their land. County Seat is at El Reno, site to the Fort Reno remount station.

Arapahoe is the county seat of Custer County, OK. It is a virtual ghost town with little more than the courthouse, Post Office and convenience store, across the river about four miles north of the much larger town of Clinton (pop 10,000).

I saw the Cowboy and Indian Saturday afternoon serials in my youth too.. don't remember the Injun's tribe being mentioned.. just them savage redskins..
lonewolf
 
Posts: 8812
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am
Location: Indian Territory

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:03 pm

lonewolf wrote:just them savage redskins..

Of course one of all of our favorite western characters was Tonto, and I can't wait to see what Johnny Depp does with him in next summer's blockbuster (not that he's a Native American! :roll: )
Marlow
 
Posts: 21078
Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:00 pm
Location: Somewhere over the . . . hill

Re: How do you pronounce Missouri?

Postby gh » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:47 am

I'm surprised Becca never weighed in with one from her neck of the woods: Sequim, Washington, pronounced "squim"
gh
 
Posts: 46299
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:31 am
Location: firmly at Arya's side!

Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests