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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:19 am

gh wrote:Kirk Herbstreit on choosing the playoff teams:

Herbie's got a point there. While I don't think committee members would need to watch games together, I do think they should be expected to actually watch most of the games every weekend.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:49 am

Pego wrote:At this stage I usually trash talk the superiority of Big Ten. What I saw yesterday gave me no trash-talking ammunition. Michigan St looked good, perhaps Ohio St (did not see Illinois or Purdue). Everybody else lukewarm-to-cold, including my Badgers. Far from impressive, there will be tears, I am afraid :( .


My impression as well, unfortunately. As for the Oregon game, I actually am not that impressed - it seemed like that danced through that game but it would work less well against a team like Wisconsin (a top 15-20 team), and not particularly well at all against a fast and hard-hitting team (a not real common combo, but on a national scale there are several).

Wisconsin has an almost entirely new coaching staff, with the #2 going off and taking a number of coaches with him. Remember, this is a Wisconsin team that has a (maybe) top=50 recruiting class (and is routinely 40-50 every year). I really would like to see what the SEC coaches would do with such classes and without unlimited depth. I am not sure it is the prime of their coaching skill set.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:14 am

26mi235 wrote:Wisconsin has an almost entirely new coaching staff, with the #2 going off and taking a number of coaches with him. Remember, this is a Wisconsin team that has a (maybe) top=50 recruiting class (and is routinely 40-50 every year). I really would like to see what the SEC coaches would do with such classes and without unlimited depth. I am not sure it is the prime of their coaching skill set.

To do well at schools that don't get the blue chips athletes, coaches can't be internet recruiters (eg. Urban Meyer, Mack Brown). Both Wisconsin and Boise State had six players drafted in this year's NFL draft, proving that there are plenty of great football players out there who are being overlooked.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:19 am

26mi235 wrote:As for the Oregon game, I actually am not that impressed

When it got to 50-10 at half, they totally took their foot off the gas. Until then it was a track meet with the gun going off for the nest race as soon as the previous one ended. Their ultra-fast play tempo (not just no-huddle - the ball is snapped within seconds of the official placing it down) pays its largest dividends in the 4th quarter when the other team's D can't can't catch their breath. I watched them wear down Stanford for the last two years. If they had gone at regular tempo, I'm convinced Luck could have beaten them, but their play-calling, team speed, and great individual talent is one thing; the tempo is the Killer App. Their clash with USC should be epic and whoever wins that . . . should . . . be playing at the end of the season. (I still think OKla St could be a big factor then also, we'll see.) I refuse to believe anyone will beat Bama though.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:49 am

Marlow wrote:When it got to 50-10 at half, they totally took their foot off the gas. Until then it was a track meet with the gun going off for the nest race as soon as the previous one ended. Their ultra-fast play tempo (not just no-huddle - the ball is snapped within seconds of the official placing it down) pays its largest dividends in the 4th quarter when the other team's D can't can't catch their breath. I watched them wear down Stanford for the last two years. If they had gone at regular tempo, I'm convinced Luck could have beaten them, but their play-calling, team speed, and great individual talent is one thing; the tempo is the Killer App.

You'll notice that in recent years, Oregon has struggled in season openers and bowl games (eg. Boise St. LSU, Ohio State, Auburn), when teams have plenty of time to get ready for their tempo. Last year LSU prepared for their showdown with Oregon as though they were going to be running a track meet. At one point late in the second half when Oregon is used to seeing their opponents' tongues dragging, the LSU defense was beating the Oregon offense back to the line of scrimmage and started mocking Darren Thomas, asking him what's taking so long.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:57 am

jazzcyclist wrote:Oregon has struggled . . . when teams have plenty of time to get ready for their tempo.

True dat. But as good as LaMichael was for the Ducks last year, DeAnthony (I see a trend here!) is a magnitude more dangerous now. There may be teams that will break the tempo, but no one will shut down their O. Outscore them . . . maybe.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Davidokun » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:23 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Boise State was decimated by the NFL, including seven defensive starters, a first-round running back and the winningest quarterback in the history of college football who will be playing on Sundays this year.

Doubtful, unless you mean Madden NFL 13.

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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:45 pm

Davidokun wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Boise State was decimated by the NFL, including seven defensive starters, a first-round running back and the winningest quarterback in the history of college football who will be playing on Sundays this year.

Doubtful, unless you mean Madden NFL 13.

Detroit Lions unofficial depth chart

Okay. Let me be more precise in my language wisenheimer. Boise State was decimated by the NFL, including seven defensive starters, a first-round running back and the winningest quarterback in the history of college football who will be on NFL regular season rosters drawing full NFL salaries.

And keep in mind that Moore wasn't even one of the Broncos that was drafted in April.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Davidokun » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:57 am

The way I read your original post, "playing on Sundays" refers solely to Kellen Moore. This statement piqued my interest, because the only thing I remembered about the professional phase of his career is that he was not drafted. A little research revealed that he signed a free-agent contract with the Lions, but is third-string behind the award-winning, but injury-prone, Matthew Stafford, and an experienced backup, Shaun Hill. So, as I wrote, I doubt that Moore will get to play this year.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:43 am

Penn State goes down again.

By the way, what is with Auburn? They really suck. I guess Newton is that good.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:28 pm

Glad to see the Pac 12 getting some nice wins.

3 new coaches this year in the South (UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State) and all with nice wins today. Arizona clobbers Oklahoma State and UCLA beats Nebraska. Arizona State has solved their disciplinary problems and drastic underachieving under Erickson and appear to have an offensive juggernaut so far. Oregon State knocks off Wisconsin.

Going to be a fun year!
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Pego » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:26 am

odelltrclan wrote:Going to be a fun year!


Not for the Wisconsin fans. Badgers offense looks positively dreadful. It will be a mediocre season at best :( .
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:10 am

Marlow wrote:Just finished watching yesterday's wrap-up. Teams that are scary good:
Okla St

Or not. Sorry, lonewolf.
Arizona dropped 59 on them yesterday! :shock:
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:23 am

Marlow wrote:
Marlow wrote:Just finished watching yesterday's wrap-up. Teams that are scary good:
Okla St

Or not. Sorry, lonewolf.
Arizona dropped 59 on them yesterday! :shock:

It was foolish to guage the Cowboys based on a beatdown of a FCS team that was 1-10 last year.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:39 am

Pego wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:Going to be a fun year!


Not for the Wisconsin fans. Badgers offense looks positively dreadful. It will be a mediocre season at best :( .


Yes, as odel says, the Pac 12 looks pretty good so far, with the Ducks leading the way. :D But sadly for Pego, the Big Ten really looks pretty dismal this season. Wisconsin wasn't so hot against a pretty ordinary OSU.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby lonewolf » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:13 am

Marlow wrote:
Marlow wrote:Just finished watching yesterday's wrap-up. Teams that are scary good:
Okla St

Or not. Sorry, lonewolf.
Arizona dropped 59 on them yesterday! :shock:

Shades of the 60s. :oops:
I was embarassed just sitting here in lonely misery listening to the slaughter. :(
Gotta think they were not that great a week ago and hope they are not as pathetic as last night. Local scribes are rationalizing the non-existent OSU defense could be attributed to the medical caused absence of the Defensive Coordinator but.....
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:03 am

odelltrclan wrote:Glad to see the Pac 12 getting some nice wins.

3 new coaches this year in the South (UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State) and all with nice wins today. Arizona clobbers Oklahoma State and UCLA beats Nebraska. Arizona State has solved their disciplinary problems and drastic underachieving under Erickson and appear to have an offensive juggernaut so far. Oregon State knocks off Wisconsin.

Yeah, huge day for the Pac. And those teams that got the big wins (Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Arizona State) are basically #4-7 in the Pac, with USC, Oregon, and (maybe) Stanford being #1-3.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Davidokun » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:52 pm

Conor Dary wrote:By the way, what is with Auburn? They really suck. I guess Newton is that good.

Losing offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn at the end of last season is a big part of the problem. Florida suffered from the same malady under Urban Meyer. For example, many would argue that the Gators still haven't recovered from the loss of offensive coordinator Dan Mullen. (Coincidentally, Mullen's Mississippi State just bullied the Tigers.)
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:42 pm

How 'bout dat Cardinal!
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:26 pm

The Big Ten has been rather mediocre this year, with Penn State leading the fall, but with Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nebraska (but at leas they got beat by an apparently improving team), Michigan hammered by Alabama, etc, and even Ohio State having difficulty with Cal at home.

Well, lonewolf, Pego and I can enjoy Marlow's joy even if he cannot post about it right now (Jazz did it for him).
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby gh » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:34 pm

Marlow's ban was for a mere 24 hours.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:20 am

jazzcyclist wrote:How 'bout dat Cardinal!


Yes, down goes USC!
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby lonewolf » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:16 am

Did ya ever notice, results of football games are not always accurately predictable? I did not have personal emotional involvement in the USC-Stanford game but I was kinda empathically pulling for the Cardinal on Marlow's behalf. :) BTW, what is a Stanford Cardinal? Ya got St Louis and Louisville Cardinals, ya got Catholic Cardinals, ya got cardinal numbers .. ya got cardinal points of compass..ya got cardinal virtues.. ya even got a kinda dark red color..?? :?
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:57 am

Marquise Goodwin with a great game, needed just four touches (two carries, two receptions) for 180 yards and two TDs.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby gh » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:12 am

Cal's Brendan Bigelow (who? they say he was a very good HS sprinter) at one point yesterday had 3 carries for about 150y, including TD runs of 81 and 59y.

I'm thinking they probably haven't used the guy enough!
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby guru » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:21 am

gh wrote:Cal's Brendan Bigelow (who? they say he was a very good HS sprinter)...



They said he was a 10.62, but his actual PR is 10.57. Soph year was his last track season(also 21.37 - as a frosh(!)).

http://ca.milesplit.com/athletes/792214-brendon-bigelow
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:05 am

Down by seven with a few minutes to go, and you score a touchdown; do you kick the extra point or do you go for the two-point conversion to decide the game right then and there? It depends:

When it's a high-scoring game, your offense is playing great, your defense isn't; by all means, go for it.

When it's a low-scoring game, your offense is really bad, your defense has given up zero points all day; no, don't go for it, give your defense the opportunity to win the game.

Guess the BYU coach disagrees with me on that, as shown by his play-calling when BYU played Boise State yesterday.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:02 am

j-a-m wrote:Guess the BYU coach disagrees with me on that, as shown by his play-calling when BYU played Boise State yesterday.


With 8:03 remaining, BYU backup quarterback Taysom Hill engineered an 11-play, 95 yard drive capped by his four-yard touchdown run. But BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall gambled, electing to go for a 2-point conversion to try to secure the Cougars' first-ever victory over Boise State.
Hill dropped back to pass, was immediately flushed out of the pocket and his on-the-run throw was deflected by linebacker J.C. Percy and fell incomplete into the end zone.
"I wanted to win," Mendenhall said. "We had momentum for the first time in the game, moving the ball offensively. We wanted to capitalize on it. I'd do it again."

I find no fault in that logic.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:22 am

Marlow wrote:
"I wanted to win," Mendenhall said. "We had momentum for the first time in the game, moving the ball offensively. We wanted to capitalize on it. I'd do it again."

That coaching decision was a slap in the face of his defensive players after they did such an outstanding job in that game.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:35 am

j-a-m wrote:
Marlow wrote:
"I wanted to win," Mendenhall said. "We had momentum for the first time in the game, moving the ball offensively. We wanted to capitalize on it. I'd do it again."

That coaching decision was a slap in the face of his defensive players after they did such an outstanding job in that game.

??!!
What would it have been to the offense who had just driven the field, if they hadn't gone for it? Strike while the iron is hot. Leaving it to overtime brings in all sorts of other variables, that might have had nothing to do with how well the D is playing.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby guru » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:15 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:How 'bout dat Cardinal!



Indeed...
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:51 am

guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:How 'bout dat Cardinal!

Indeed...

If Nunes were even half the QB Luck is, that'd've been a cake-walk. it's really hard to win in the PAC-12/14 w/o a pass-efficient attack. :(
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:00 am

Marlow wrote:If Nunes were even half the QB Luck is, that'd've been a cake-walk. it's really hard to win in the PAC-12/14 w/o a pass-efficient attack. :(

The folks in Boise, Madison and East Lansing feel your pain.
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:23 am

jazzcyclist wrote:How 'bout dat Cardinal!


Not so good last night against Washington....
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:37 am

Conor Dary wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:How 'bout dat Cardinal!

Not so good last night against Washington....

The experts (sic) have been praising the Cardinal O-line, the great smash-mouth running game, the great D-line/linebackers, the improved D-backs, and the 'competence' of Nunes. I saw glimpses of it against SC, not much last night . . . :(
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby lonewolf » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:52 am

Marlow wrote:[The experts (sic) have been praising .....the 'competence' of Nunes.

I think that is called 'damning with faint praise". :)
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby j-a-m » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:49 am

Nick Saban considers fast execution on offense unfair:
I just think there's got to be some sense of fairness in terms of asking: Is this what we want football to be?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... ball-to-be
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:44 am

What a baby. Is he afraid of the Ducks?
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby lonewolf » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:47 am

Suck it up, Nick. You are Number 1.. how much fairer could it be?
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Re: 2012 College Football

Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:54 am

lonewolf wrote:Suck it up, Nick. You are Number 1.. how much fairer could it be?

Zackly! How on earth is the no-huddle, up-tempo offense NOT fair?
Nick, if you think it gives an unfair advantage, then you are welcome to employ it!
The 'safety issue' is a complete red herring!
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