A few pieces of Silver


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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby lonewolf » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:52 am

Pego wrote:
bekayne wrote:But can you refuse medals because of the ineptitude of the refs?


Look at my posts above. The key here is not the refs but an outside interference by FIBA's Secretary-General.

Parting shot.
Of course you can refuse a medal for any reason.
Pego is absolutely right. Had there been no illegal repeat of the last three seconds, the ref could not have made the illegal restriction on the throw in.
You can discuss the facts and exchange opinions but you cannot change the facts and rarely do facts change a pre-disposed opinon.
As in all things, some opt for submission, some for principal.
So be it.
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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby preston » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:06 pm

after again reading mumps belief on what he believes should happen, I read through one of the athletes comments regarding the medal 20 years after the incident (and 20 years ago). This man doesn't sound like a whiner (whinger? for mump).

I've hardly got a scrap of evidence that I played in those Games, except for a letter from Richard Nixon on my basement wall, saying, "You're still champs in my eyes." Oh, yeah, and one other thing. When I got back to America, my mother had something for me. It was a gold charm that looks like a gold medal, and when I came home she put it around my neck. I've kept it on ever since—it's the only jewelry I wear. My mom's gold medal, that's good enough for me. The guys on the team who want the silver will never get it. I'll always vote no.

-Kevin Joyce


Article IX
I devise and bequeath at my death that my wife Rita and children Jill and Bryan and their descendants never accept a silver medal from the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, West Germany.

—KENNY DAVIS, 1991

But no, I'll never take that medal. By being adamant, I believe we can stop this kind of thing from ever happening again. Every Olympic official will have to think twice before he ever does something like that to anyone else. That's why I vote no.


Then I have to sit and watch them take it from us. My wife says, "Why don't you go get that medal? So your son can have it." Hell, no. He can wear my Olympic ring. I want my medal. Not no silver. I want my gold. It's probably sitting around some Russian's neck right now. That thing should be in my trophy case in my game room, dead center. I vote no.

-Dwight Jones


I'm still pissed at Dwight Jones for getting thrown out of the game. Know what he said to me one time? He said he doesn't want the silver for himself, but he wants it to show his kids. Man, just use a book or a film to show your kids you were in it—you don't need no medal. I told my son, "You do not accept that silver medal when I'm dead and gone. Your dad deserved the gold, don't you ever take no silver." Some of the guys on that team are punking out on me, they're punking out. But it's got to be unanimous, and they won't get me. I'll always vote no.

-Tom Henderson


Anyway, some of these guys sound as principled as the first day and some are wavering with one outright saying yes.
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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby Daisy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:12 pm

preston wrote:Anyway, some of these guys sound as principled as the first day and some are wavering with one outright saying yes.

I'd love to hear them now, 40 years on. I assume they got another letter from the IOC this year too.
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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby cullman » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:07 pm

You may get that chance soon. There will be a reunion of the USA 1972 Olympic Basketball team next week August 23-5: http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012 ... er-reunion

By the way, duplicate gold medals have been awarded after judges or officials nobbled the results... Canucks Sylvie Frechette in synchro swimming and Pelletier and Sale in figure skating.

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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby cullman » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:13 pm

preston wrote:
Article IX
I devise and bequeath at my death that my wife Rita and children Jill and Bryan and their descendants never accept a silver medal from the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, West Germany.

—KENNY DAVIS, 1991

But no, I'll never take that medal. By being adamant, I believe we can stop this kind of thing from ever happening again. Every Olympic official will have to think twice before he ever does something like that to anyone else. That's why I vote no.

Newsflash, Kenny Davis...that didn't stop them then and won't stop them anytime soon. The 2012 Olympics had the normal amount of crap officiating by the usual suspects.
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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:44 am

It's interesting reading the different views on the game but I think the situation also needs to be looked back upon as it occurred and that includes the fact that this was a sport the US had never lost before. So there is/was the element of entitlement to the game. Plus it was vs. the hated Russians. Maybe if it were Canada there wouldn't have been such a ruckus...or we would have sent troops into Montreal...one of the two. :lol:

While the refs gummed things up for sure, I don't feel any conspiracy was involved although as a 15 year old vs. the hated Russians I surely felt differently. I'm still not clear on the timeout rule as to whether it could be called after the free throws and it certainly appears that the correct procedure was not used by the Russian coach. However, once the timeout was allowed by the referees, there should have been 3 seconds on the clock and the timer made an error which can always be corrected by the referee and would happen in any NBA game currently. Why McMillan wasn't permitted to defend I'm not sure and I'm also not clear that there weren't language issues involved which might have had McMillan misunderstand the instructions given by the referee.

As to whether they should have or should currently accept their medals....I'm not a big fan of carrying the cross over something like this. Accept it and move on.
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Re: A few pieces of Silver

Postby lonewolf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:14 am

Feature articlel about this in this mornings Daily Oklahoman sport page..first hand account from one Jack Herron, Iba's assistant and consultant during team selection...Don Haskins, retired UTEP coach, was asst Oly coach. He wanted to keep the team off the floor until the language snafu was sorted out.. Iba overruled him..Herron says the FIBA official, Mr. Jones,
threatened to forfeit the game on the spot.. (I don't know if the had that authority).. Iba reportedly said he would rather lose the game on the court than in the locker room.
Herron supports Iba's decision... without condemning the teams decision..
Largely forgotten is that US was not a world basketball power at the time and the makeshift team was not the best possible team the US could have put together..the mandate was to include one service member, one from the largely defunct AAU and Iba had one personal pick..UCLA's Bill Walton and Swen Nater were not on the team, reportedly the result of John Woodens ruff for never having been named Olympic coach..
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