Mark Block Ban Violation?


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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:13 am

mump boy wrote:I feel the same way about clean athletes who are happy to socialise with or be represented by an agency so closely associated with Mark Block, the same way i feel about those that chose to be coached by Trevor Graham


I don't think that's fair. TSM and Chris Layne represent a lot of athletes, and I am sure some of them have no idea who Mark Block is.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:36 am

polevaultpower wrote:
mump boy wrote:I feel the same way about clean athletes who are happy to socialise with or be represented by an agency so closely associated with Mark Block, the same way i feel about those that chose to be coached by Trevor Graham


I don't think that's fair. TSM and Chris Layne represent a lot of athletes, and I am sure some of them have no idea who Mark Block is.


Chris Layne is still in business with Mark Block http://totalsportsbaseball.com/Who_We_Are.html make of that what you will
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:19 am

I asked this earlier -- who besides his wife, has Block been linked to [in a legal/process manner, not someone's guess]? I think that there were others involved, but I am not sure.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby guru » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:37 am

26mi235 wrote:I asked this earlier -- who besides his wife, has Block been linked to [in a legal/process manner, not someone's guess]?



http://www.usada.org/uploads/ArbitrationAwardBlock.pdf
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:05 pm

The answer seems to be that he was implicated in multiple ways but only with regard to his wife. The implications are that in his role of agent he has not been connected with doping for his clients. Thus, taring his one-time clients because he cheated in an attempt to make his wife the top sprinter is not a particularly argument for their druggy implications.

Further, the notion that his ownership rights in his company are forfeit does not seem to appear anywhere in the arbitration decision.

By the way, if a bank employee talks to a felon released from prison should we immediately suspect that employee of a crime worthy of removing him or her from employment.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

26mi235 wrote:...
Further, the notion that his ownership rights in his company are forfeit does not seem to appear anywhere in the arbitration decision.....


I'm no law dude, but I don't see how they could be included in any alphabet-soup decision. This isn't a legal matter; it's an agreement amongst private parties, no? Neither nor USADA, nor WADA (nor JADA, UKADA, or even inagadadavida) can do anything in regards to private citizens outside their dealings with the body under question.

So in that way, the bans are somewhat without teeth. If somebody violates one, I believe the worst WADA could do would be to say "ha, now you're suspended for 20 years!"

Where they can have an effect is if they go after other people in the chain and start banning any meet promoter/advertiser/sponsor/athlete it can prove has been dealing with someobdy on the banned list. And then they can ban them as well. But I'm suspecting there's no direct route back to the original suspendee.

Law dudes?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby j-a-m » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:48 pm

gh wrote:Neither nor USADA, nor WADA (nor JADA, UKADA, or even inagadadavida) can do anything in regards to private citizens outside their dealings with the body under question.

Yes, he violated WADA/IAAF/USADA regulations, and so he got suspended by USADA via an arbitration panel; and that suspension can only go as far as USADA's jurisdiction goes.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby Flumpy » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:15 am

26mi235 wrote:By the way, if a bank employee talks to a felon released from prison should we immediately suspect that employee of a crime worthy of removing him or her from employment.


Nobody is suggesting removing anyone from their employment are they?

If a bank employee was seen consorting with a notorious bank robber I think it would raise suspicion don't you?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:33 pm

Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:38 am

26mi235 wrote:Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.


If my accountant was in business with Bernie Madoff, she wouldn't be my accountant much longer
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:08 am

mump boy wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.


If my accountant was in business with Bernie Madoff, she wouldn't be my accountant much longer


If Bernie Madoff only did illegal things with his wife (rather than for 10,000 accounts) it would not have been a big deal. As far As I can tell, Blocks transgressions just involved his wife, so if Jeter is not having an affair or made with him, ...
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:16 pm

More from letsrun.com: http://www.letsrun.com/2012/block-0720.php

None of these things may have been a ban violation per se, but how is he financing all of these trips? No one drops that much money to attend _that_ many track meets unless they have a business interest in them.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:44 pm

I don't believe there's anything that legally prevents Block from acting as a financial advisor (or any kind of advisor) to track athletes. As noted before, those who banned him have no standing in what he does as a business person.

I hasten to add that I'm not defending what' s apparently going on; just trying to paint the proper picture of how the world works (which, unfortunately, is all to often not how we think it should work).
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby Mighty Favog » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:47 am

Making a fuss about this is well-timed. Athletes associating with Block in an athletic role is not outside the WADA rules right now, but it could become so. Proposed changes to the WADA code would make the following a violation:

Association by an Athlete in a professional or sport-related capacity with any Athlete Support Personnel who is serving a period of Ineligibility or who has been found in a criminal or disciplinary proceeding to have been involved with doping where the Athlete knew or should have known of the Athlete Support Personnel’s disqualifying status.

See the bottom of page 10.
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World ... ode-EN.pdf
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:51 pm

With WADA's (and, e.g., USADA) lack of due process, I am against going too far in this direction. They are already at the point where they can stop someone from competing just by saying 'we think that you did'. It is a power that has potential for abuse.

The number of police and judges convicted of nefarious doings is not large but it is not 'epsilon' either, and there are likely more not found than found.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:36 am

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/oth ... r.18423265

The US Anti Doping Agency has launched an investigation into the activities of the American athletics manager, Mark Block, who is currently serving a ten year suspension for his involvement in doping.

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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby pakillo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:57 pm

^^^ I don't give a damn. Zhanna Pintusevich forevah!!!
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