Mark Block Ban Violation?


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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:32 am

MightyBurner wrote:How is a tweet by Jason Richardson relevant at all?

It connects Jeter with Block at dinner.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby MightyBurner » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:41 am

And? It's just innuendo.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:45 am

MightyBurner wrote:How is a tweet by Jason Richardson relevant at all?


The fact that Jason, Carmelita and Mark Block have cosy dinners together isn't relevant ?? :?

Why are 2 world champions having dinner with someone banned from the sport for 10 year for trafficking drugs ??
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby guru » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:51 am

One can judge a man by the company he keeps ~ Euripides
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:59 am

mump boy wrote:
MightyBurner wrote:How is a tweet by Jason Richardson relevant at all?


The fact that Jason, Carmelita and Mark Block have cosy dinners together isn't relevant ?? :?

Why are 2 world champions having dinner with someone banned from the sport for 10 year for trafficking drugs ??


Well, he was their agent and they may have been on good terms personally. There are 'explanations' short of conspiracy theories that 'work'. Is the assumption that if someone is involved in doping that all of their interactions with people in the sport revolve around doping?

Question (I do not know the answer): aside from his wife, who else was implicated in doping with Block and in what context? There was something above in regards to BALCO, I think, but it is back up a ways.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:29 am

It's foolish for athletes to associate themselves with people busted for doping violations. It's even more foolish for them to tweet about it. At least Jeter has the good sense to pretend she's not seeing Block anymore. Their agents should be monitoring such things more closely.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby odelltrclan » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:44 am

polevaultpower wrote:It's foolish for athletes to associate themselves with people busted for doping violations. It's even more foolish for them to tweet about it. At least Jeter has the good sense to pretend she's not seeing Block anymore. Their agents should be monitoring such things more closely.


I would certainly agree with this, but, lets just assume that an athlete is associated with an agent and the relationship is totally innocent. If that agent has done them good, earned them a lot of money from endorsements, etc., and later that agent gets into trouble, the athlete may still feel a bit of loyalty toward the agent. People are pretty forgiving of other's mistakes as well so they may not view still having a relationship they way everyone else might.

The "Letsrun" owner's who exposed this whole thing have already allowed it to be known, in so many ways, that they feel anyone who has a relationship are as guilty as hell by association, and I think this is unfair.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:45 pm

mump boy wrote:
MightyBurner wrote:How is a tweet by Jason Richardson relevant at all?
The fact that Jason, Carmelita and Mark Block have cosy dinners together isn't relevant ?? :? Why are 2 world champions having dinner with someone banned from the sport for 10 year for trafficking drugs ??

I also find it interesting that while Richardson mentions Block, Jeter ommits him from her list of diners.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby ExCoastRanger » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:01 pm

polevaultpower wrote:It's foolish for athletes to associate themselves with people busted for doping violations....


Agree here.
A professional T&F athlete should probably be as careful his or her social calendar as he or she is with WADA's banned substance list. When the career is over he or she can enjoy whatever substance and whovever's company they want.
That said, guilt by association is a slippery slope and meaningless without real evidence.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby TrakFan » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:10 pm

Regardless of how badly some of you probably hope for Jeter's guilt and ban by association, it doesn't work that way.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:24 pm

TrakFan wrote:Regardless of how badly some of you probably hope for Jeter's guilt and ban by association, it doesn't work that way.

Missed that one... who is looking for a ban?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:56 pm

bushop wrote:
TrakFan wrote:Regardless of how badly some of you probably hope for Jeter's guilt and ban by association, it doesn't work that way.

Missed that one... who is looking for a ban?


Euripedes?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby wamego relays champ » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:53 am

mump boy wrote:Jason Richardson ‏@JaiRich
...just getting in from good laughs and great food at Ruth Chris w/ @CarmelitaJeter @TheMarkBlock, my coach, wives, & family
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Carmelita Jeter ‏@CarmelitaJeter
Dinner tonite with my parents/manager/coach and @JaiRich. #TeamJet/TeamRich
Retweeted by Jason Richardson
20 Apr 12


For CJ's sake, I hope that Chris Layne was the manager she was referring to, rather than @TheMarkBlock that JR mentioned.

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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:47 am

How does Block get past this security guy at the end of the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... x9xRxS6rsA
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:52 am

err... cuz he's wearing a ticket around his neck? That's just the general-traffic tunnel under the south stands isn't it?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:07 am

gh wrote:err... cuz he's wearing a ticket around his neck? That's just the general-traffic tunnel under the south stands isn't it?


I don't know. It looked like Robert was getting stopped by a security guy, so I wasn't sure if Block was entering a restricted area or not. The video cuts out pretty quickly so it's hard to say for sure.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:14 am

I don't see any evidence of people coming the other way being vetted at all, and note also that at the moment Block gets to the "guard" that because of the traffic pattern he has to turn away from the guard, so unless the guy picked up on it earlier in the tunnel, he'd have no idea if Block was wearing any kind of tag at all.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:54 pm

As I understand it, Block had been Jeter's agent -- that relationship is not active but her knowing Block is not exactly news and is of no real import itself. I asked, and have not seen an answer, if Block was connected to any banned athlete's other than his wife? If not, even though he is banned, it does not particularly indicate that his clients are typically users because it was not Block's role (solely) as her agent that links him with P-B.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby wamego relays champ » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:32 pm

polevaultpower wrote:It's foolish for athletes to associate themselves with people busted for doping violations. It's even more foolish for them to tweet about it. At least Jeter has the good sense to pretend she's not seeing Block anymore. Their agents should be monitoring such things more closely.


Agreed, and the problem lies in whether the ban prohibits Block from participating in the relationship between Total Sports Management and its track athlete clients.

Over in the Locked Dope Talk forum, a thread dating from when the ban was announced included this exchange between a poster and gh

7-sided wrote:Now the question is what the IAAF and USATF does with his agency. The ban has to include his management agency. A list of his athletes below....

gh wrote:
If you're suggesting his agency be shut down, I concur wholeheartedly. If you're suggesting that his current clients receive some kind of censure I couldn't disagree more strenuously...


Well, the agency was not shut down or banned so there is now this gray area. Since Jeter's agent is Chris Layne of Total Sports Management (an authorized IAAF Athlete's rep), then she should be untarnished by Mark Block cheering her performance in Eugene. If Block no longer has any financial interest in Total Sports Management, then the ban is effective and he can certainly continue to be a fan of the sport and its stars.

But if there is a loophole in the ban such that Block can participate (financially or in other material ways) in the activities of Total Sports in its representation of its track and field athletes, then what real affect is the 10-year ban actually having?

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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:52 am

I feel the same way about clean athletes who are happy to socialise with or be represented by an agency so closely associated with Mark Block, the same way i feel about those that chose to be coached by Trevor Graham
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:13 am

mump boy wrote:I feel the same way about clean athletes who are happy to socialise with or be represented by an agency so closely associated with Mark Block, the same way i feel about those that chose to be coached by Trevor Graham


I don't think that's fair. TSM and Chris Layne represent a lot of athletes, and I am sure some of them have no idea who Mark Block is.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:36 am

polevaultpower wrote:
mump boy wrote:I feel the same way about clean athletes who are happy to socialise with or be represented by an agency so closely associated with Mark Block, the same way i feel about those that chose to be coached by Trevor Graham


I don't think that's fair. TSM and Chris Layne represent a lot of athletes, and I am sure some of them have no idea who Mark Block is.


Chris Layne is still in business with Mark Block http://totalsportsbaseball.com/Who_We_Are.html make of that what you will
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:19 am

I asked this earlier -- who besides his wife, has Block been linked to [in a legal/process manner, not someone's guess]? I think that there were others involved, but I am not sure.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby guru » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:37 am

26mi235 wrote:I asked this earlier -- who besides his wife, has Block been linked to [in a legal/process manner, not someone's guess]?



http://www.usada.org/uploads/ArbitrationAwardBlock.pdf
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:05 pm

The answer seems to be that he was implicated in multiple ways but only with regard to his wife. The implications are that in his role of agent he has not been connected with doping for his clients. Thus, taring his one-time clients because he cheated in an attempt to make his wife the top sprinter is not a particularly argument for their druggy implications.

Further, the notion that his ownership rights in his company are forfeit does not seem to appear anywhere in the arbitration decision.

By the way, if a bank employee talks to a felon released from prison should we immediately suspect that employee of a crime worthy of removing him or her from employment.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

26mi235 wrote:...
Further, the notion that his ownership rights in his company are forfeit does not seem to appear anywhere in the arbitration decision.....


I'm no law dude, but I don't see how they could be included in any alphabet-soup decision. This isn't a legal matter; it's an agreement amongst private parties, no? Neither nor USADA, nor WADA (nor JADA, UKADA, or even inagadadavida) can do anything in regards to private citizens outside their dealings with the body under question.

So in that way, the bans are somewhat without teeth. If somebody violates one, I believe the worst WADA could do would be to say "ha, now you're suspended for 20 years!"

Where they can have an effect is if they go after other people in the chain and start banning any meet promoter/advertiser/sponsor/athlete it can prove has been dealing with someobdy on the banned list. And then they can ban them as well. But I'm suspecting there's no direct route back to the original suspendee.

Law dudes?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby j-a-m » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:48 pm

gh wrote:Neither nor USADA, nor WADA (nor JADA, UKADA, or even inagadadavida) can do anything in regards to private citizens outside their dealings with the body under question.

Yes, he violated WADA/IAAF/USADA regulations, and so he got suspended by USADA via an arbitration panel; and that suspension can only go as far as USADA's jurisdiction goes.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby Flumpy » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:15 am

26mi235 wrote:By the way, if a bank employee talks to a felon released from prison should we immediately suspect that employee of a crime worthy of removing him or her from employment.


Nobody is suggesting removing anyone from their employment are they?

If a bank employee was seen consorting with a notorious bank robber I think it would raise suspicion don't you?
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:33 pm

Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:38 am

26mi235 wrote:Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.


If my accountant was in business with Bernie Madoff, she wouldn't be my accountant much longer
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:08 am

mump boy wrote:
26mi235 wrote:Seeing them, in a public place both there at the same time is 'consorting'? In that sense, no, it would not be suspicious if someone with a misdemeanor were seen with someone else that they happen to have known for a number of years.


If my accountant was in business with Bernie Madoff, she wouldn't be my accountant much longer


If Bernie Madoff only did illegal things with his wife (rather than for 10,000 accounts) it would not have been a big deal. As far As I can tell, Blocks transgressions just involved his wife, so if Jeter is not having an affair or made with him, ...
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:16 pm

More from letsrun.com: http://www.letsrun.com/2012/block-0720.php

None of these things may have been a ban violation per se, but how is he financing all of these trips? No one drops that much money to attend _that_ many track meets unless they have a business interest in them.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby gh » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:44 pm

I don't believe there's anything that legally prevents Block from acting as a financial advisor (or any kind of advisor) to track athletes. As noted before, those who banned him have no standing in what he does as a business person.

I hasten to add that I'm not defending what' s apparently going on; just trying to paint the proper picture of how the world works (which, unfortunately, is all to often not how we think it should work).
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby Mighty Favog » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:47 am

Making a fuss about this is well-timed. Athletes associating with Block in an athletic role is not outside the WADA rules right now, but it could become so. Proposed changes to the WADA code would make the following a violation:

Association by an Athlete in a professional or sport-related capacity with any Athlete Support Personnel who is serving a period of Ineligibility or who has been found in a criminal or disciplinary proceeding to have been involved with doping where the Athlete knew or should have known of the Athlete Support Personnel’s disqualifying status.

See the bottom of page 10.
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World ... ode-EN.pdf
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:51 pm

With WADA's (and, e.g., USADA) lack of due process, I am against going too far in this direction. They are already at the point where they can stop someone from competing just by saying 'we think that you did'. It is a power that has potential for abuse.

The number of police and judges convicted of nefarious doings is not large but it is not 'epsilon' either, and there are likely more not found than found.
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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:36 am

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/oth ... r.18423265

The US Anti Doping Agency has launched an investigation into the activities of the American athletics manager, Mark Block, who is currently serving a ten year suspension for his involvement in doping.

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Re: Mark Block Ban Violation?

Postby pakillo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:57 pm

^^^ I don't give a damn. Zhanna Pintusevich forevah!!!
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