Tim Tebow

[Brian]

I have never heard the expression "playing like a sausage" but there are numerous other cliche terms, many of which I unconsciously use, whose origin/meaning is lost/vague.
One that comes to mind is," he runs like a stripey assed ape". On reflection, I don't know if that means he runs fast, awkwardly or in fear.

LOL!

I may be borrowing this one come Spring.
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[Brian]

And hey, show me a quarterback who makes it to the NFL who doesn't have a good arm--they all do...at least, good enough. No, it is the intangibles that are of paramount importance for this position...!

This is coming, BTW, from a life-long Vikings fan who has watched them piss away decades with the short-term strategy of grabbing up Jeff George, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and any other "strong-armed" quarterback they could find to thrill the fans with long passes and put big bucks-paying asses in the Metrodome seats.
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Could be worse...you could be a Cleveland Browns fan! (Hey, let's move to Baltimore and win a Super Bowl there!)

The Vikings made it to their first Super Bowl with Joe Kapp...a quarterback with plenty of intangibles and an uncanny inability to throw a spiral. By the way, Kapp is tied with Sid Luckman and couple of other guys with a record 7 TD passes in one game.

Tebow may or may not last long in the league but he's getting it done for the time being...and is better at present than backup QB and former Cleveland first round pick, Brady Quinn. (Other classically trained sausages who were top prospects but couldn't get the gist of playing QB in the NFL: Tim Couch, Dan McGwuire, Mike Phipps, Ryan Leaf, Todd Blackledge, Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Heath Schuler)

cman

Kapp was--IS!--one tough sonuvagun. I was pretty young then but I remember many, many fans not happy the Vikings got rid of him (to the Boston Patriots, who were not a winning team back then) just because he wanted a raise after the team made the Superbowl. "40 for 60"--a lot of hardy Minnesotans could relate to that concept of working hard together.

Pro football back then meant more often than not having to shove the defensive lineman away from you in order to throw the ball, if you were the quarterback. [Those old Steve Sobol NFL films archival footage is mind-blowing.]

Kapp later played a guard in the real "The Longest Yard" movie (the 1974 original with Burt Reynolds). Also Ray Nitschke, Sonny Sixkiller (former Pats QB) and Richard Kiel (famous line: "I think I broke his f*cking neck!"and later to be Jaws in "Moonraker"), among others. There were some tough guys in that film.


"--classically trained sausages---"

I love it!
Dad would be so proud.

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[BruceFlorman]

I guess ol' Tebow's magic was on rightly on display against Pittsburgh, but it certainly wasn't a "half-assed" job.

Credit where credit is due, he did play well on Sunday, and he did finally beat a team with a winning record. That said, I don't think he's proven himself to be Roethlisberger's equal with this performance any more than Matt Hasselbeck proved himself to be Brees' equal with Seattle's upset of the Saints under similar circumstances last year. The hype-to-substance ratio is still awfully high for this guy.

[tafnut]

The hype-to-substance ratio is still awfully high for this guy.

This is starting to sound a whole lot like all the Mad Hatter BS. Why is it so hard just to appreciate a winner?

Tebow won in college, and now he's done it at the next level. Denver's OFFENSE is not that good, yet Tebow found a way to get them to the playoffs and beat a good team. I'm starting to think that some people actually ARE holding his religiosity against him (which, when I originally heard that idea, thought was a silly notion).

[BruceFlorman]

I'm starting to think that some people actually ARE holding his religiosity against him (which, when I originally heard that idea, thought was a silly notion).

Speaking only for myself...

Just as you live in Jacksonville and have followed Tebow since he was a Gator (although you're a Stanford alum), I live in Lafayette Indiana and have followed Orton since he was a Boilermaker (although I'm a Virginia alum).

It's been obvious since his days at Purdue that Orton is never really going to grow up to be Drew Brees, but nevertheless, it does cause me to grind my teeth a bit to see him first benched, then fired, to make way for the guy he beat out in the preseason, but who had loads of public support based on... hype. And while I believe that Tebow really is a sincere and upstanding young man, a lot of the hype surrounding him, at least in the beginning, was due to his in-your-face religiosity. But I guess that I'll keep my teeth grinding to myself, rather than risk being labeled anti-religious.

Now... on a completely different topic... what's with the resurrection of the "tafnut" moniker? Was that addressed on another thread, and I missed it?

[Daisy]

The hype-to-substance ratio is still awfully high for this guy.

This is starting to sound a whole lot like all the Mad Hatter BS. Why is it so hard just to appreciate a winner?

He did not say he does not appreciate Tebow as a winner. Just that there is a lot of hype. I don't follow football at all but i regularly see articles on Tebow, that means there must be a massive amount of hype.

[Conor Dary]

Of course it is hype. Remember Orton started even better in his rookie year, yet no one went ape shit.

'Overall, the Bears had a record of 10-5 in games that Orton started, including an eight-game winning streak after a 1-3 start... The coaching staff asked Orton to minimize mistakes and to let the rushing attack and the defense win ballgames rather than employing an aggressive passing attack.

Measuring Orton's victories, his rookie season was successful. His 15 starts and 10 victories are both rookie records for Bears quarterbacks, and the 10 victories are the third most in the NFL, since 1970, behind Ben Roethlisberger's 14 victories in '04, and Joe Flacco's and Matt Ryan's 11 victories in '08.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Orton#2005

[gh]

I would say Tebow was largely hype... until Sunday, when he suddenly morphed into a guy with an accurate arm. Most impressive.

I'm still guessing he's not a starter by the end of next year.

[tafnut]

I'm still guessing he's not a starter by the end of next year.

If Peyton has a full recovery, neither is Andrew Luck.

[tafnut]

Now... on a completely different topic... what's with the resurrection of the "tafnut" moniker? Was that addressed on another thread, and I missed it?

My home computer is logged in as Marlow, but whenever I try to log in anywhere else, it says Marlow doesn't exist, so I'm having a bit of an existential crisis, not to mention multiple-personality issues.

[gh]

I'm still guessing he's not a starter by the end of next year.

If Peyton has a full recovery, neither is Andrew Luck.

In a perfect world, Luck sits on the bench at Indy for a season, maybe two, learning at Manning's knee, and avoiding what happens to rookie QBs on crappy teams with gaping holes in the lineup.

[Giant Panda]

That sounds like a Paul Auster novel.

[Brian]

I'm still guessing he's not a starter by the end of next year.

If Peyton has a full recovery, neither is Andrew Luck.

In a perfect world, Luck sits on the bench at Indy for a season, maybe two, learning at Manning's knee, and avoiding what happens to rookie QBs on crappy teams with gaping holes in the lineup.

Cough, cough, Vikings! Cough, cough.

Excuse me. Just clearing my throat.
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[Vince]

Of course it is hype. Remember Orton started even better in his rookie year, yet no one went ape shit.

'Overall, the Bears had a record of 10-5 in games that Orton started, including an eight-game winning streak after a 1-3 start... The coaching staff asked Orton to minimize mistakes and to let the rushing attack and the defense win ballgames rather than employing an aggressive passing attack.

Measuring Orton's victories, his rookie season was successful. His 15 starts and 10 victories are both rookie records for Bears quarterbacks, and the 10 victories are the third most in the NFL, since 1970, behind Ben Roethlisberger's 14 victories in '04, and Joe Flacco's and Matt Ryan's 11 victories in '08.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Orton#2005

In DENVER Kyle Orton W-L record was a crappy 11-21 and Denver never made it to the post-season. Tebow's record is 8-6 with Denver's 1st post-season appearance since 2005. Tafnut, you are right.

[gh]

e-mail humor: <<The last time a white Bronco got this much attention, OJ was driving it>>

[guru]

In a perfect world, Luck sits on the bench at Indy for a season, maybe two, learning at Manning's knee, and avoiding what happens to rookie QBs on crappy teams with gaping holes in the lineup.

You mean like Andy Dalton, who took the local lads from 4-12 in 2010, to 9-7 and a wildcard playoff berth this year?

Sweet vindication for the Bengals, who saw incumbent Carson Palmer refuse to return, robbed a desperate Raiders team of 1st and 2nd round draft picks to acquire Palmer mid-season, then watched as Palmer led the Raiders down the stretch to a 1-4 record(and right out of playoff contention), with 13 TD's against 16 INTs for the season.

[gh]

Kudos to Dalton (and the Bengals), but for every one of those feel-good stories, my take is that there are far more Jim Plunketts thrown into the meat-grinder, and most don't escape in the long run.

[gh]

guess who's now the most popular athlete in America... only the 11th to claim the crown since ESPN started sampling 18 years ago.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 39826.html

[dukehjsteve]

Has he ever publicly revealed whether he's taken the fatal plunge or not ?

[gh]

A gives-you-pause column:

"What If Tim Tebow Were Muslim?"

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

[preston]

A gives-you-pause column:

"What If Tim Tebow Were Muslim?"

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

If Tim Tebow were muslim the people most fervently for him would be against him - and it would be ugly. It would be great if the Tebow thing was about Tebow, but it's not -it long ago transcended that and became a cause; it's not about religion at all, this is about chrisianity, but more directly - it's about a segment of evangelical christians who think Tebow fits their demographic. Thankfully the player, Tebow, is more authentic than most of the evangelical fans who follow him.

[tafnut]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

[Grasshopper]

Thankfully the player, Tebow, is more authentic than most of the evangelical fans who follow him.

Wow, judge and generalize much?

[scottmitchell74]

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[Pego]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

Let's say, Tebowing would consist of a Moslem reverential pose instead of a Christian one. If I declared on this forum that I disliked it, would I still be called a "Tebow hater" or a "bigot?"

[DrJay]

If I counted correctly earlier today, 4 pictures of Timmy in Sports Illustrated this week. Did Jordan or Gretzky ever rate so many in one issue?

[lonewolf]

A gives-you-pause column:

"What If Tim Tebow Were Muslim?"

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

The article refers to a Denver Bronco who was ostracized after refusing to stand for the national anthem. Any American citizen might be critized for such disrespect but what in Islam ordains it?

[Pego]

A gives-you-pause column:

"What If Tim Tebow Were Muslim?"

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if ... re_muslim/

The article refers to a Denver Bronco who was ostracized after refusing to stand for the national anthem. Any American citizen might be critized for such disrespect but what in Islam ordains it?

I don't know about Islam, but once upon a time I had a Christian friend, who considered an anthem/flag as idolatry.

[Avante]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

Let's say, Tebowing would consist of a Moslem reverential pose instead of a Christian one. If I declared on this forum that I disliked it, would I still be called a "Tebow hater" or a "bigot?"

I understand a lot of people need to hide or conceal their true feelings about that kind of thing. As we know talking religion is a no no on this forum as is sexuality. Anytime something really controversial can be talked about......don't do it here. Keep it light and butt slaps all around

I think I can get away with....

This is the USA, Islam is not what this country was founded on. Christianity does rule here. Drawing attention to Allah in an NFL game obviously won't work, simply common sense. For anyone to think...why should it matter..... they needs to stay indoors, they know nothing about the world we live in.

[Vince]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

Let's say, Tebowing would consist of a Moslem reverential pose instead of a Christian one. If I declared on this forum that I disliked it, would I still be called a "Tebow hater" or a "bigot?"

I think in post Bin Laden America, probably not. BUT in a way, if an impressive young guy like Tebow makes tasteful public religious expression etc. a more common thing, it will may eventually spread to other faiths and also be accepted. I mean why would I carp about my Muslim neighbor's religious practices if he/she was a good neighbor?

[Pego]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

Let's say, Tebowing would consist of a Moslem reverential pose instead of a Christian one. If I declared on this forum that I disliked it, would I still be called a "Tebow hater" or a "bigot?"

I think in post Bin Laden America, probably not. BUT in a way, if an impressive young guy like Tebow makes tasteful public religious expression etc. a more common thing, it will may eventually spread to other faiths and also be accepted. I mean why would I carp about my Muslim neighbor's religious practices if he/she was a good neighbor?

With all due respect, I don't buy any of this suggested tolerance. If an impressive young man such as Ahmad Rashad prostrated himself after every TD, decades pre-Bin Laden, there would be more than snickers of disapproval. Just the same, if somebody waived the Quran instead of the Bible post-race à la Will Claye, or on the panel of broadcasters à la Terry Bradshaw, there would also be mounds of criticism.

Mind you, I'll take your word about your own tolerance toward your neighbor, I am talking about our society at large.

[Vince]

Go once step further. Since he always mentions his "Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ", what if in every interview he said, "Since I don't believe in God, . . . ."

Let's say, Tebowing would consist of a Moslem reverential pose instead of a Christian one. If I declared on this forum that I disliked it, would I still be called a "Tebow hater" or a "bigot?"

I think in post Bin Laden America, probably not. BUT in a way, if an impressive young guy like Tebow makes tasteful public religious expression etc. a more common thing, it will may eventually spread to other faiths and also be accepted. I mean why would I carp about my Muslim neighbor's religious practices if he/she was a good neighbor?

With all due respect, I don't buy any of this suggested tolerance. If an impressive young man such as Ahmad Rashad prostrated himself after every TD, decades pre-Bin Laden, there would be more than snickers of disapproval. Just the same, if somebody waived the Quran instead of the Bible post-race à la Will Claye, or on the panel of broadcasters à la Terry Bradshaw, there would also be mounds of criticism.

Mind you, I'll take your word about your own tolerance toward your neighbor, I am talking about our society at large.

Then we will just have to call the people who don't have the tolerance "bigots and haters".

By the way, if Denver beats New England today, it would clearly be a miracle. Wouldn't that added to last weeks victory over Pittsburgh qualify Tebow for Sainthood??? Yeah, I know he's not Catholic.

[gh]

Tebowie! Jimmy Fallon mashes up David Bowie and Tim Tebow (no, really!)

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... 12/1378838

[tandfman]

Not being a football fan, I haven't been following this thread. I opened the thread because I saw an interesting piece on him today. I hesitated to post it because religion is one of those verboten subjects here, but I see that it's already been injected into the thread. (No surprise there.)

So here's a theologian's view of whether God is responding to Tebow's prayers.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/01/ ... tebow-win/

[Avante]

Before the games today I went to the dollar store we needed some balloons for a party. While there......football cards? Yep, a buck a pack. So what the hell. I bought 5 packs. Once back home......the first card out of the first pack.....Tim Tebow......hahaha!!!! Man!