Penn State/State Pen [split]

[Pego]

For what it is worth, I have seen hundreds (perhaps thousands) histrionic patients, none of them was a rapist. They flirt and tease, they do not rape. Sandusky's lawyers must be desperate to even try this strategy.

[DrJay]

Guilty almost across the board. Life in the big house for him.

[Conor Dary]

Guilty, guilty, guilty....That didn't take long.

[odelltrclan]

Guilty, guilty, guilty....That didn't take long.

Nor should it have.

[Conor Dary]

Guilty, guilty, guilty....That didn't take long.

Nor should it have.

Absoultely right.

[DrJay]

Sandusky on suicide watch:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... watch?lite

Bad things happen to guys like him in prison.

[Pego]

Boo-hoo!

[gh]

Guilty, guilty, guilty....That didn't take long.

Nor should it have.

Absoultely right.

at the risk of sounding like a bleeding-heart softy, allow me to suggest that it's not for us to pass judgment.

[SQUACKEE]

at the risk of sounding like a bleeding-heart softy, allow me to suggest that it's not for us to pass judgment.

At the risk of breaking the no things not track until the trials are over, (I am in good company with gh doing it) I truly don't know what this means- " it's not for us to pass judgment"

Nobody here is capable of passing judgement, the jury did that, and if there is a God he will have the final judgement. I think we have a right to give our opinions on what this animal deserves.

He knew it was wrong but decided to rape children and ruin their lives,over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

The juries judgement is life in prison, IMO he got off easy. You don't want to know what I think he deserves. My judgement is that the punishment should fit the crime, that seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Conor Dary]

Nobody here is capable of passing judgement, the jury did that, and if there is a God he will have the final judgement.

I can't argue with that. Just glad it is over. I don't think there really is much else to say.

[DrJay]

What squackee said. Ditto.

[SQUACKEE]

What squackee said. Ditto.

The bottom line is, Sandusky will not be abused, he will have his freedom taken away but he will not be abused. That is not fair.

[Conor Dary]

What squackee said. Ditto.

The bottom line is, Sandusky will not be abused, he will have his freedom taken away but he will not be abused. That is not fair.

If he is put solitary, which on itself is not so hot, that maybe true.....

Anyways, squack, why not give it a rest, we understand your angst, and I agree....

[Cooter Brown]

Convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky had a surprise waiting for him when he was sent to jail the first time, reports Andrew Strickler of The Daily.

As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky's fellow inmates at the Centre County Correctional Facility serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd's "The Wall":

"Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!"

http://www.businessinsider.com/jail-inmates-serenaded-sandusky-with-hey-teacher-leave-those-kids-alone-2012-6

Somebody gonna get raped and shanked.

[odelltrclan]

At the risk of breaking the no things not track until the trials are over, (I am in good company with gh doing it) I truly don't know what this means- " it's not for us to pass judgment"

I think what he might be getting at is more in line with "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

I feel sorry for Sandusky (Not as sorry as I feel for the victims so don't get in a tizzy). You look on someone who has a lot going for them, as many of us do and see them make bad choices that ultimately ruin their lives. Each of us is capable of doing something like that. Maybe it is not some sex addiction that leads to the rape of boys or whatever, maybe it is alcohol, or drugs or something else. But each of us could make one bad choice that leads to worse and the next thing you know, your life is ruined as well as the lives of many others. It is a harrowingly sad situation.

[lonewolf]

When you make "bad choices" repeatedly over a period of years with multiple victims, it is not a "mistake". It is a perverted, unforgivable crime. Sandusky knew it was wrong and tried to cover it up. He is rightly permanently removed from society.
Now to prosecute the Penn State authorities complicit in the cover up.

[Conor Dary]

When you make "bad choices" repeatedly over a period of years with multiple victims, it is not a "mistake". It is a perverted, unforgivable crime. Sandusky knew it was wrong and tried to cover it up. He is rightly permanently removed from society.
Now to prosecute the Penn State authorities complicit in the cover up.

I agree.

[SQUACKEE]

At the risk of breaking the no things not track until the trials are over, (I am in good company with gh doing it) I truly don't know what this means- " it's not for us to pass judgment"

I think what he might be getting at is more in line with "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

I feel sorry for Sandusky (Not as sorry as I feel for the victims so don't get in a tizzy). You look on someone who has a lot going for them, as many of us do and see them make bad choices that ultimately ruin their lives. Each of us is capable of doing something like that. Maybe it is not some sex addiction that leads to the rape of boys or whatever, maybe it is alcohol, or drugs or something else. But each of us could make one bad choice that leads to worse and the next thing you know, your life is ruined as well as the lives of many others. It is a harrowingly sad situation.

Sandusky would agree with you and the young boys he repeatedly sodomized would disagree with you. You sound like someone who has never been victimized by a sadist, I have.

[odelltrclan]

As expected, people totally missing the point.

[Pego]

When you make "bad choices" repeatedly over a period of years with multiple victims, it is not a "mistake". It is a perverted, unforgivable crime. Sandusky knew it was wrong and tried to cover it up. He is rightly permanently removed from society.
Now to prosecute the Penn State authorities complicit in the cover up.

Yes.

Each of us is capable of doing something like that. Maybe it is not some sex addiction that leads to the rape of boys or whatever, maybe it is alcohol, or drugs or something else.

No. Raping children is not remotely comparable to drinking or using drugs. Sorry.

[odelltrclan]

No, I am not wrong, and if people would read all the comments I have stated clearly that Sandusky is wrong and deserves to go to prison for life. I am not defending him in the slightest, only stating what happened to him, through his own choices, is a tragedy in and of itself.

I don't believe for a second people are born "bad". Sandusky, as all the rest of us, at one point in his life was a decent person. Do you really think that as a grade schooler or high schooler he was a rapist? Even had thoughts of every doing something of the like. Seriously doubt it. Somewhere along the line through whatever reason made a bad choice that led to more bad choices that eventually decayed his life into something unconscionable. He became a monster. That is a tragedy. Look at all the people who were ruined and hurt by those bad choices.

[Pego]

Somewhere along the line through whatever reason made a bad choice that led to more bad choices that eventually decayed his life into something unconscionable.

I respectfully disagree Unless you are a psychopath, you know what is right and what is wrong. I suppose, all males here have been rejected by a girl we liked a lot more than once. We did not go on to rape her. Sorry, what you call bad choices I call unconscionable, outrageous behavior, totally devoid of any shred of human decency. It "could not happen to anybody." I agreed with you about people around Sandusky whom he dragged into abyss, I disagree about Sandusky himself. Actually, in response to a prior gh's statement, yes, some crimes are of such depraved nature, we all can judge. Yes, I am trowing a stone.

[Conor Dary]

I am with pego here. Setting up a foundation, adopting kids, just so he can abuse them. Evil stuff.

[gh]

one fundamental problem i have with all aberrant behavior is the nagging thought that indeed some people are just "wired differently"; if so, how does one fairly treat these people who are victims of their own genetics? Sorry, I have trouble believing in "choice" in these things, even with child molestation. At the bottom end, it's your body (not your mind) telling you what to do, if that makes sense.

And no, I'm not suggesting any kind of "amnesty" on these grounds. As an inquisitive science-based person, I'm just fascinated by the fact that we (make that THEY!) can be screwed from birth.

[SQUACKEE]

I guess my question is...Are there any people like Sandusky, who have the same sick drive that dont act on it?

Also, what was stopping Sandusky from admitting quilt and begging for forgiveness and crying his eyes out for the horrible nightmare he created?

If you have an controllable need to rape children the only solution is suicide.

[Athleticsimaging]

In a previous life, I spent a lot of time visiting what some might call "the underclass" in their natural environment and it was astounding the repetitive types of behaviour linked to similar childhoods experiences. It seemed like a blueprint - do this to a child, see this as an adult.

Now this information came to me as purely incidental to my job, so I cannot begin to imagine the horror stories that somebody like a social worker would hear when trusted to be told the REALLY bad stuff.

Now, with a generally comfortable middle class participation on this board, few could imagine the impact of endless negative physical, psychological, physiological and sexual mistreatment for substantial portions of a life from the womb.

This is not to discount gh's comment on potential genetic programming but it is well known that child sexual abuse is very commonly undertaken by those who suffered similar abuse. As to Squackee's question, about those that don't act on these desires, there are some but most others that act but want to stop cannot seek help because to admit these desires and ask for help to stop generally brings law enforcement into the equation immediately. This means that without assistance, they continue to offend for months, years or decades before being caught this perpetuating the cycle of offending.

[SQUACKEE]

As to Squackee's question, about those that don't act on these desires, there are some but most others that act but want to stop cannot seek help because to admit these desires and ask for help to stop generally brings law enforcement into the equation immediately. This means that without assistance, they continue to offend for months, years or decades before being caught this perpetuating the cycle of offending.

Great point, hadn't thought of that.

Also, the parents of Jeffery Dahlmer say he had a perfectly normal childhood.

[Pego]

This is not to discount gh's comment on potential genetic programming but it is well known that child sexual abuse is very commonly undertaken by those who suffered similar abuse.

No argument, just a point that children that share environment with abusive adults commonly also share the genes.

[Conor Dary]

one fundamental problem i have with all aberrant behavior is the nagging thought that indeed some people are just "wired differently"; if so, how does one fairly treat these people who are victims of their own genetics? Sorry, I have trouble believing in "choice" in these things, even with child molestation. At the bottom end, it's your body (not your mind) telling you what to do, if that makes sense.

And no, I'm not suggesting any kind of "amnesty" on these grounds. As an inquisitive science-based person, I'm just fascinated by the fact that we (make that THEY!) can be screwed from birth.

This is a good point, and one I have thought about. Combine that with a complete narcissistic personality, though and that is probably where the trouble lies.

[odelltrclan]

one fundamental problem i have with all aberrant behavior is the nagging thought that indeed some people are just "wired differently"; if so, how does one fairly treat these people who are victims of their own genetics? Sorry, I have trouble believing in "choice" in these things, even with child molestation. At the bottom end, it's your body (not your mind) telling you what to do, if that makes sense.

And no, I'm not suggesting any kind of "amnesty" on these grounds. As an inquisitive science-based person, I'm just fascinated by the fact that we (make that THEY!) can be screwed from birth.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I personally don't by it that people are "wired from birth" to do things like that. I think nurture is far more prevalent. I know people who went down a similar path that started with viewing soft pornography, which led to harder pornography, which led to to more and more to try and satisfy an ever increasing and changing sexual addiction. They started a fire that burned out of control to where it consumed them. I am willing to bet Sandusky went down a similar path and that path led him to where he was. It took him to where he found easy and vulnerable prey for the sick addiction he developed.

[Conor Dary]

The problem with that theory is a hell of lot of people watch porn sometime in their lives and never, or even think of it, become a child molester. While I suspect most, if not all, child molesters watch porn.

This is a classical fraudulent connection, similar to most heroin users first smoked dope, therefore anyone who tries pot is going to od on heroin, which from what I know, ain't true.

[lonewolf]

The bottom line is, whatever the reason for their behavior, some people need to be taken out of circulation. No amnesty, no forgiveness, no explanation, no excuses.

[SQUACKEE]

The problem with that theory is a hell of lot of people watch porn sometime in their lives and never, or even think of it, become a child molester. While I suspect most, if not all, child molesters watch porn.

This is a classical fraudulent connection, similar to most heroin users first smoked dope, therefore anyone who tries pot is going to od on heroin, which from what I know, ain't true.

The old gateway bullshit. I stopped drinking water because all Crackheads have drank water,therefore water is a gateway to crack.

I personally know a 100 people who have smoked pot and none of them have even tried smack.

[kuha]

gh's point above is entirely relevant here, and almost certainly true. This sort of dysfunction is very far from simply a matter of slippy-slope "bad choices." It must result from some combination of nature & nurture; opportunity & inherent inclination. Brain chemistry (for lack of a better term) has got to be extremely important to all this. I do not believe that psychopaths and sociopaths get that way because of some "bad choices."

[Cooter Brown]

I do not believe that psychopaths and sociopaths get that way because of some "bad choices."

There was a kid in my grade named Alonzo Edwards. I remember a distinct moment in 3rd grade where I thought that kid was the scariest person I'd ever met. In 8th grade, he raped and murdered another student's mom. His twin sister was perfectly normal. Nothing to suggest there was something in his environment or previous bad choices that turned him down the wrong path. That dude was born evil.