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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:55 am

Tuariki wrote:It will be interesting to see id the UCI tells USADA to go take a flying jump.

I am totally opposed to drugs and if Armstrong is guilty then I hope he gets his just desserts. However, Armstrong has probably been tested more times than any athlete alive and has always tested clean. US federal authorities decided they didn't have any evidence to charge him.

There's no doubt in my mind that Armstrong doped along with the rest of his teammates and the entire peleton, but I think these matters are better left to the UCI. Was USADA granted the authority to get involved in such matters or did they arrogate themselves this power in the same manner that the NCAA arrogated itself the power to get involved with criminal justice matters involving Penn State?
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby MattMarriott » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:35 am

Lance Armstrong, Usain Bolt,"Hussein Obama II" accused and stripped: first of 6 acts June 29 2012, next 5 to follow in 2012

Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" accused and stripped - first of six acts June 29 2012

Last Prophet predicted 2004 that the greatest cycling champion ever, Lance Armstrong, would be executed the same way as Marion Jones:
- first: falsely accused of doping, as many others before, part of the agenda behind the illuminati doping conspiracy; (1)
- second: all major TITLES erased from the official medals table, which is also part of the "Rewrite History" agenda pushed to the utter limits.

In 2007 Last Prophet explained that Usain Bolt would be executed the same way as Lance Armstrong.
In 2008 after Usain Bolt set his world records at the Beijing Olympics, Last Prophet explained that Usain Bolt became the fastest man ever AND FOREVER.

Last Prophet explained immediately after the illuminati were forced to use plan B for the 2008 "election" and have "Obama" play counterfeit president and have him detonate as fake suicide bomber (like Nixon) later, that illuminati actor "Obama" would be executed the same way (2) as the two greatest sports champions ever, Armstrong and Bolt:
- accused of all sort of crimes (forging birth certificate; murdering "granny", etc);
- stripped of his title, with Hillary Clinton declared 44th president and successor of GW Bush.

All this part also of the supervised ethnic civil war script, to be launched together with the collapse of banks and anihilation of savings and pension funds of the human cattle.

The first of these six acts (accusation, titles stripping of Armstrong, Bolt and "Obama") timely took place (3) on June 29, 2012, hours before the start of the Tour de France.
The next five acts won't take as long as the first did. Actually they are all scheduled for 2012.

Notes
(1) http://doping-conspiracy.blogspot.pt/20 ... ll-be.html
(2) http://rewrite-history.blogspot.pt/2009 ... nia-v.html
(3) Lance Armstrong to face charges from U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
June 29, 2012
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/o ... igs30.html

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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby guru » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:36 am

jazzcyclist wrote: Was USADA granted the authority to get involved in such matters...?



Yes, because as the infamous 1984 pre-Olympic USOC "warnings" showed(linked to my profile here), sport governing bodies have a vested interest to not pursue - if not flat cover up - doping issues.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:40 am

guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote: Was USADA granted the authority to get involved in such matters...?



Yes, because as the infamous 1984 pre-Olympic USOC "warnings" showed(linked to my profile here), sport governing bodies have a vested interest to not pursue - if not flat cover up - doping issues.

I understand the conflict of interest of governing bodies, but does that mean that USADA has the authority to strip Peyton Manning of his MVP's if it found cause? Who gave USADA this power?
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby guru » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:45 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
guru wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote: Was USADA granted the authority to get involved in such matters...?



Yes, because as the infamous 1984 pre-Olympic USOC "warnings" showed(linked to my profile here), sport governing bodies have a vested interest to not pursue - if not flat cover up - doping issues.

I understand the conflict of interest of governing bodies, but does that mean that USADA has the authority to strip Peyton Manning of his MVP's if it found cause? Who gave USADA this power?



No, because the NFL does not fall under USADA's purview as ""the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States." It was created in 2000 because the USOC was under increasing pressure due to conflict of interest credibility issues
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby j-a-m » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:50 am

jazzcyclist wrote: but I think these matters are better left to the UCI. Was USADA granted the authority to get involved in such matters or did they arrogate themselves this power

What USADA is doing here is a publicity stunt at best. Looking forward to UCI making its own decision or getting this to the CAS.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Cooter Brown » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:17 am

He owns a bar downtown called "Six" which opened after his 6th title. I wonder if he'll rename it Zero.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:23 am

guru wrote:No, because the NFL does not fall under USADA's purview as ""the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States." It was created in 2000 because the USOC was under increasing pressure due to conflict of interest credibility issues

So if what you're saying is true and USADA can involve itself in any Olympic sport, I would presume that USADA also has the power to strip Lebron James of MVP awards and Serena Williams of Wimbledon titles, and since golf is returning to the Olympics in 2016, I guess it can also take away Tiger Woods' 14 major golf titles if it sees fit.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby Marlow » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:44 am

I just realized that MM (AFAIK) has NEVER engaged anyone here; he just posts and disappears again.

Matt! I'm calling you out, bro! How is it that you are not willing to DISCUSS this? You just want to 'lecture' us. That ain't hackin' it! Stand up for what you believe! :shock:

[not that I believe for a moment that the thread wouldn't go south IMMEDIATELY and disappear, with a life-time ban on our favorite anti-hero]
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby HopStepJump » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:45 am

j-a-m wrote:Congratulations to Beloki, Kloeden, Basso, Zuelle for winning their first Tour? And to Ullrich for winning three additional Tours? And correct me if I'm wrong, the only two of those five who never tested positive are Beloki and Kloeden?


I really wonder how far down the GC list you would have to go to find a clean rider. 10th place? 20th place? Who really knows? I presume it's far enough down that they couldn't find a rightful winner because the tactics focus on the perceived threats and the small potatoes guys are allowed to ride off in breakaways.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:51 am

The titles should simply be vacated. No winners. At least in the cases of other athletes being elevated who have had their own issues, such as Ullrich and Basso. How embarrassing is it to say to admitted or convicted dopers, here is your title! In my opinion, Lance deserves what he is getting but, as others have pointed out, much of the peleton was doping and no winner would be the best answer.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby CookyMonzta » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:54 am

My bad. I thought Lance created his LiveStrong Foundation well after winning his first Tour de France. I knew he was raising money for cancer research, but I didn't hear about this foundation until after his first retirement in 2005. I didn't know he created this foundation in 1997, while he was out of cycling and getting treatment for cancer.

Which leads me to this question: Did he cheat to keep his foundation going, knowing that, if he were just an also-ran in those 7 Tours (maybe 1 or 2 wins between '99 and '05), the charity money would not flow even remotely as fast as it did during the last 13 years of that foundation's existence? That is to say, did he think the survival of his foundation was completely dependent on his success at the Tour? And did he return to cycling in 2008 because the money started to slow down dramatically after his 2005 retirement?

And how does one beat a test when being tested up the wazoo as Lance was? The accusations started immediately after he won his first Tour, and I'm sure that, because of the accusations, they tested him every single chance they had.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:59 am

odelltrclan wrote:The titles should simply be vacated. No winners. At least in the cases of other athletes being elevated who have had their own issues, such as Ullrich and Basso. How embarrassing is it to say to admitted or convicted dopers, here is your title! In my opinion, Lance deserves what he is getting but, as others have pointed out, much of the peleton was doping and no winner would be the best answer.

Has Riis' 1996 title been vacated? After all, he's an admitted doper.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Cooter Brown » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:59 am

HopStepJump wrote:I really wonder how far down the GC list you would have to go to find a clean rider. 10th place? 20th place? Who really knows?


I heard earlier that 23 out of the top 25 riders in the 2005 Tour de France have either been suspended or implicated in doping scandals.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:03 am

CookyMonzta wrote:Which leads me to this question: Did he cheat to keep his foundation going, knowing that, if he were just an also-ran in those 7 Tours (maybe 1 or 2 wins between '99 and '05), the charity money would not flow even remotely as fast as it did during the last 13 years of that foundation's existence? That is to say, did he think the survival of his foundation was completely dependent on his success at the Tour? And did he return to cycling in 2008 because the money started to slow down dramatically after his 2005 retirement?

And how does one beat a test when being tested up the wazoo as Lance was? The accusations started immediately after he won his first Tour, and I'm sure that, because of the accusations, they tested him every single chance they had.

According to Tyler Hamilton, U.S. Postal already had a full-blown doping program before Armstrong joined the team after his bout with cancer.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:11 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:The titles should simply be vacated. No winners. At least in the cases of other athletes being elevated who have had their own issues, such as Ullrich and Basso. How embarrassing is it to say to admitted or convicted dopers, here is your title! In my opinion, Lance deserves what he is getting but, as others have pointed out, much of the peleton was doping and no winner would be the best answer.

has Riis' 1996 title been vacated? After all, he's an admitted doper.


Yes, I think it was vacated.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:19 am

odelltrclan wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:The titles should simply be vacated. No winners. At least in the cases of other athletes being elevated who have had their own issues, such as Ullrich and Basso. How embarrassing is it to say to admitted or convicted dopers, here is your title! In my opinion, Lance deserves what he is getting but, as others have pointed out, much of the peleton was doping and no winner would be the best answer.

has Riis' 1996 title been vacated? After all, he's an admitted doper.


Yes, I think it was vacated.

Not according to the Tour's official website. According to it, Landis is the only one who has ever been stripped.

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/HISTO/us/palmares.html
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:19 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
I understand the conflict of interest of governing bodies, but does that mean that USADA has the authority to strip Peyton Manning of his MVP's if it found cause? Who gave USADA this power?


Right. Americans play soccer in the EPL. Are they going after those guys?

I wonder what the Tour de France people think of all of this? After all it is their event.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:20 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
Not according to the Tour's official website. According to it, Landis is the only one who has ever been stripped.

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/HISTO/us/palmares.html


Which makes sense since the guy flunked a Tour test....
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:33 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:The titles should simply be vacated. No winners. At least in the cases of other athletes being elevated who have had their own issues, such as Ullrich and Basso. How embarrassing is it to say to admitted or convicted dopers, here is your title! In my opinion, Lance deserves what he is getting but, as others have pointed out, much of the peleton was doping and no winner would be the best answer.

has Riis' 1996 title been vacated? After all, he's an admitted doper.


Yes, I think it was vacated.

Not according to the Tour's official website. According to it, Landis is the only one who has ever been stripped.

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/HISTO/us/palmares.html


It at one point had been removed but then was added back several years later. Perhaps the same thing will happen with Lance. I personally don't care if he retains the titles or not. Yes, they were all doping and he was the best of the bunch. But the culture of the sport needs to be cleaned up so the future is better for current athletes. Lance could go a long way in furthering that effort along if he would admit the truth.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby MattMarriott » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:45 am

They do not even let the audience hear what Armstrong has to say.
The same like with every other champion falsely accused, until some of them got a Guantanamo type of confession.
What else is there to discuss?
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:59 am

MattMarriott wrote:the fact that nobody but LAST PROPHET exposed the doping conspiracy proves that beasts are marked by the BEAST.

The two most important pages of the short story of the web ...
#1 result of this interesting google search of four words
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=basic+facts+about+God


Where have you been? There are so many people who have discussed this "conspiracy" ad naseum over the last few years you would have to have been living in a closet not to have been exposed to it.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby MattMarriott » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:25 am

I don't know about "discussed". I am talking about exposed.
So who else exposed it?
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:49 am

MattMarriott wrote:I don't know about "discussed". I am talking about exposed.
So who else exposed it?


If something has been discussed at length (for YEARS mind you) then it is safe to say it has been exposed, because to expose something is to bring to light something previously hidden. If it has been discussed for how ever many years it was not hidden. Actually, what happened yesterday was expected by many. Go to cycling world and read up on the discussions there. The posts go into the thousands discussing these issues.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby MattMarriott » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:56 am

You obviously did not read the link of article:
http://doping-conspiracy.blogspot.pt/20 ... ll-be.html
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Cooter Brown » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:20 am

USADA has just stripped his 7 titles.

UCI has previously stated only they can strip titles.

Clusterfuck.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:44 am

Cooter Brown wrote:USADA has just stripped his 7 titles.

UCI has previously stated only they can strip titles.

Clusterfuck.

Well, it would seem to me that the record books of the UCI and the Society of the Tour de France are the only ones that matter.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:01 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
Cooter Brown wrote:USADA has just stripped his 7 titles.

UCI has previously stated only they can strip titles.

Clusterfuck.

Well, it would seem to me that the record books of the UCI and the Society of the Tour de France are the only ones that matter.


Yes, I would go along with that. USADA has lost its marbles. Why would the French give a fig what some US federation had to say about their race.

What if some French federation came along and said the Yankees were losing all of their World Series titles, because Clemens was a drug cheat. I am sure that would go down well.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby az2004 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:06 am

i'd hope to see landis and hamilton eventually testify, and the other guy too

i cant decide whethert he's guilty of nont, but some thinh stinks alot
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:09 am

az2004 wrote:i'd hope to see landis and hamilton eventually testify, and the other guy too

i cant decide whethert he's guilty of nont, but some thinh stinks alot

Landis, Hamilton, Hincappie, Andreu and Vaughters have already testified. What else do you want to know?
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:09 am

az2004 wrote:i'd hope to see landis and hamilton eventually testify, and the other guy too


Yea, 2 real reputable guys there. Like asking Capone what crime was like in Chicago.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:10 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
az2004 wrote:i'd hope to see landis and hamilton eventually testify, and the other guy too

i cant decide whethert he's guilty of nont, but some thinh stinks alot

Landis, Hamilton, Hincappie, Andreu and Vaughters have already testified. What else do you want to know?


Who really killed JFK.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:11 am

Conor Dary wrote:What if some French federation came along and said the Yankees were losing all of their World Series titles, because Clemens was a drug cheat. I am sure that would go down well.

That's a good way of putting it. 8-)
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:45 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:What if some French federation came along and said the Yankees were losing all of their World Series titles, because Clemens was a drug cheat. I am sure that would go down well.

That's a good way of putting it. 8-)


Not quite. Clemens is not nor ever has been a french citizen. It would be more in line with having someone like Amelie Mauresmo win the women's tennis title at the U.S. Open and then having them say she would be denied it by French Authorities. But given how many in France have detested Armstrong, do you think they will be upset at this? I am curious to see what the TDF authorities will do.

Armstrong's refusal to defend himself was calculated in my opinion to keep the evidence and testimonies out of the public spectacle. I think he believes he may have a chance in the court of public opinion in the long haul (and from the organizations like the UCI / TDF, etc) than had he gone in and lost with the exposure of all they had against him.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Pego » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:17 am

Let me join the crowd shaking its head over USADA deciding a race in a sovereign foreign country. Positively mind-blowing. The Tour should have no obligation to comply, I would think.
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby gh » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:35 am

Cooter Brown wrote:USADA has just stripped his 7 titles.

UCI has previously stated only they can strip titles.

Clusterfuck.


And the BOA said only they could determine the rules on who got on the British Olympic team. CAS disagreed.

If UCI has any status in the international sports movement (and hopes to maintain it), i think it it has no choice but to go to CAS and see what they say.

Or they could be seen as the same rogues as the American pro leagues.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby Marlow » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:41 am

Matt speaks!! I'm impressed!!!
As Jon Stewart is wont to say, "Go on . . . " :D
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:45 am

gh wrote:And the BOA said only they could determine the rules on who got on the British Olympic team. CAS disagreed.

Evidently, I missed this story. Please elaborate.

By the way, USADA also says they will strip Armstrong of his Olympic bronze medal. I wonder what the IOC thinks about this.
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Re: Lance Armstrong. Usain Bolt, "Hussein Obama II" stripped

Postby Pego » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:53 am

Finally, I got it. Matt himself is the Last Prophet. Right, Matt?
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Re: Columnist looks at "trolls" who are anti-Armstrong

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:46 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
gh wrote:And the BOA said only they could determine the rules on who got on the British Olympic team. CAS disagreed.

Evidently, I missed this story. Please elaborate.

By the way, USADA also says they will strip Armstrong of his Olympic bronze medal. I wonder what the IOC thinks about this.


And take away his driver's license also, and his high school diploma...

So let us see. Is USADA claiming he cheated once? the whole time? The whole thing is ridiculous.
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