gh wrote:The body count is going up so fast that we don't even get to see all the deeds anymore; just a nice pan across a room of mass mayhem.
Extremely effective cinematic visual, IMHO. For the previous X-number of minutes, we had been wondering what's happening with Jack and/or how things will go when he gets up to the Russians' hotel room. Then, we see not the carnage itself but the results. Nice.
Question is, how did Jack let a downed enemy get the drop on him and get stabbed? My guess is that Jack let him live in order to be the guy who talks to Logan so Jack can listen in, then later had to keep the other guy alive to do the job. Otherwise, seems funny that Jack--who's been at least two steps ahead of everyone, including Chloe--should be taken so unawares.
Jack (Sutherland) is not a physically imposing man. There are thousands of athletes who could clean his clock... unless, of course, they were paid to follow a script that said otherwise.
Sutherland, like Robert Redford, Sylvester Stallone and many other leading man types, is actually on the relatively diminutive side height-wise.
Things like shooting from camera up-angle and standing on platforms during face-to-face shots (including kissing scenes with actresses, who--like most fashion models--tend to be on the tall/ectomorph side) is part of the magic of Hollywood.
[Although far from Hollywood, I recently pulled the same up-angle trick with a visiting sister: Standing next to a wooden statue of a famous Voyageur explorer, she came up to his shin. I had her come to the other side of the road and made it look like she was his height and trying to kiss him (not always possible; lighting is everything!). She'll have fun with that back in Ohio.]
Finally, the president steps up and yet again Jack is on the run. I have my doubts as to whether or not the movie can live up to the hype. I will say, this season rebounded nicely. Although, can someone tell me, where in the world is the Vice President? Did I miss something?
I thought it went out with a whimper, not a bang. I read an interview with Sutherland who seemed to confirm a movie was in the works. I guess that is why he had to survive... would be interesting to see how he gets out of the country..
Disappointed with the ending. Jack needed to go out a martyr. Maybe the movie will be a type of continuation of Jason Bourne [hmmm same initials] with the Russians and Americans both after him. And since Jack seems to be like the original Terminator (nothing can kill him it seems) it can be a continuation of that series as well.
1) It seemed fitting that the last scene boiled down to focus on Jack and Chloe. Despite Chloe's pouty attitude, the best single show of the whole series was years ago when she was forced into the field and became a Bauer-like killer for a few minutes.
2) Athletes beating up Jack Bauer? What a ridiculous proposition... remember, we are not talking about some boozed-up actor named Sutherland, no one can prevail against JACK fracking BAUER !!!
3) The movie will suck, but I will watch it anyway.
jhc68 wrote:2) Athletes beating up Jack Bauer? What a ridiculous proposition... remember, we are not talking about some boozed-up actor named Sutherland, no one can prevail against JACK fracking BAUER !!!
Right on! Even after being shot twice in the last 3 hours and having his ambulance crashed into, he manages to beat up on his intended assassin, and almost escape. Game to the last is our Jack.
3) The movie will suck, but I will watch it anyway.
The problem with a movie is that I can't yell at the screen.
There's one hell of a movie coming here. Last seen, Jack's slipping off into the canyons of New York City; last seen, Jason Bourne hits the river only a few blocks away. When these two bad boys hook up.....
gh wrote:There's one hell of a movie coming here. Last seen, Jack's slipping off into the canyons of New York City; last seen, Jason Bourne hits the river only a few blocks away. When these two bad boys hook up.....
Jack has escaped from NYC and is in California! A young family friend was in a pub here in Santa Barbara night before last and found himself next to Jack himself. Nice guy, he reported... they conversed for a few minutes and then a whole gaggle of women surrounded Jack. They seemed to think he was some guy named Sutherland.
jhc68 wrote:Jack has escaped from NYC and is in California! A young family friend was in a pub here in Santa Barbara night before last and found himself next to Jack himself. Nice guy, he reported... they conversed for a few minutes and then a whole gaggle of women surrounded Jack. They seemed to think he was some guy named Sutherland.
Fiendishly clever disguise, the Russians will never figure it out!
jhc68 wrote:1) It seemed fitting that the last scene boiled down to focus on Jack and Chloe.
Belatedly getting into it here (high school T&F post-season starting). It appears I may be in the minority, but I thought the ending was excellent and absolutely appropriate. In fact, those final 20 seconds are about as good as it gets for season/series endings. Really.
Consider: the whole thing ends with the three biggest stars of the entire series on camera to take their last bows: Jack, Chloe...and the satelite feed! [Seriously!--have we so quickly forgotten how those satelite-monitored chases and surveilance enthralled us the first few seasons?] Fittingly, Jack and Chloe parted as they spent much of their time together: via monitor screen and audio hookup. Chloe's command to 'shut it down' was, of course, a beautiful metaphor for the series' end. And rather than a freeze frame or fade to black, Jack's image disappeared in a burst of pixels--how beautifully appropriate for a show that revolved in great part around technology! And deliciously, it did so precisely as he turned from Chloe and us and into the future.
As I said, to me at least, the last 20 seconds was as good as these things get.
There have been better overall finales--"Newhart" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" immediately come to mind--but this one was pretty good, in the sense that it tied up the loose ends, kept us guessing right up to the last minute (I had no idea what was going to happen the final 30 minutes; for what more could I ask?), and set the stage for further exploits in a venue wherein the concept probably belonged in the first place.
There were lots of philosophic and symbolic statements, too, right down to Jack quietly excusing the agent charged with eliminating him (after putting up one hell of a fight, of course). ["I'm just doing my job." "I know."] How many times has Jack been in exactly the same situation himself as a soldier? And nicely symbolic that the President Logan character--the epitome of fascist philosophy--took his leave in exactly the same manner as perhaps the greatest symbol of fascism ever, Adolf Hitler.
Along with that, a strong philosophical statement was made--as it has been for the past few seasons, but especially this one--that the United States of America, in foundational principle, stands for something more than the fascist strong-arm tactic of getting whatever we want with no regard for the means by which we employ to secure that goal.
In simpler terms of US politics, the extreme right errs in believing the end justifies the means, whereas the extreme left believes too strongly that the means is more important than the end. In reality, both are equally important. In track and field terms, what good is it to cross the finish line first if you cheated to do so? Likewise, what good does it do to concentrate so intently on your running technique it interferes with your form and flow and you run far below your natural ability? When it comes to the modern-day threat of domestic terrorism, the USA faces, and will always face, the tough task of balancing the end and the means. But that balance is exactly what is required for America to succeed and still BE America; once we throw out our core principles of democracy, our country crumbles from within and the terrorists win.
And it is easy to lose our way at times, especially when it is easier in the short term to use force rather than trust in the co-operation of others, to assassinate rather than believe in the principle of justice holding true. [The message of both the President's character and Jack this season.]
But America will always find it's way back to those core principles--again, it has to, in order to be America. Someone once said the promise of America is a concept that we violate every day, but what's important is that the next day, we get up and try again to live up to that promise.
I think the show made a powerful statement about all those things this season. And I liked it. A lot.
As Kasey Kasem used to say, now on with the countdown...
The wife and I just watched the last 8 episodes non-stop (thank you DVR for the ability to wipe out commercials)! OMG!
Jack offing Dana in cold blood reminded me of the infamous Magnum PI episode where he did the same thing - but how does Jack get a pardon for he's done now?! The ends don't always justify the means, y'know, or at least that's what the Prez just learned.
Like tandfman, I lost interest halfway through this season, but I continued to record them, in case the urge to catch up struck, and I'm glad I did, because this last arc was as good as anything that's been on in the last 8 years. Much as I dislike Chloe, it was a good ending, but I half expected Tony Almeda to be resurrected! I'm glad they at least kept KImmie off.
I don't know if the writers are trying impart a message or espouse a philosopy. I try to ignore the subtle, or not so subtle, intentional, or unintentional, lessons and just ponder how the heck Jack is going to get out of this one..... I thought the ending was ok, too, especially for continuing the story..