Cooter Brown wrote:
jeremyp wrote:They are seriously contemplating a movie
I've been wondering if that's a red herring. Keifer has repeatedly said he wants Jack to die at the end of the series. Maybe they've released the movie idea to throw viewers off track so that his death is actually unexpected.
I've refrained from saying anything along these lines only because I thought someone said the movie thing was a solid idea (if so, no Jack, no movie, unless Cole is to be the "Movie Jack" [not to be confused with Billy Jack; but I digress...].
Getting back to the classic hero concept: In a nutshell, if a hero does something very bad, they must pay for doing it, and with their life, if the transgression is too great. The moral idea overriding all is that crime [bad deeds] does not pay and amends must be made, justice must be met, the scale of transgression balanced. No matter what the cost.
Fans of the old X-men comics will remember two examples of this. One, the Jean Grey/Marvel Girl/Phoenix character, upon morphing into the evil "Dark Phoenix", flew off into space and devoured the energy of a star. That star--like our sun--provided light and heat to a race of (in Marvel's terms later because they resembled it) asparagus people on a nearby planet.
Now, the initial idea by writer Chris Claremont was to later have the other X-men save the day and Jean/Phoenix become stripped of most of her power via a brain implant that would syphon off any excess power, thereby preventing her from becoming Dark Phoenix--at least until comic sales began to sag! [She had become pretty much omnipotent, making story lines tough, a' la, Superman syndrome: how do you create a situation she can't handle?]
But the Marvel head honchos said, uh-UH! She KILLED
, even if unwittingly, an entire planet, and must therefore pay greatly for it. Reportedly, Claremont, as is the case with most writers being told what to write, wasn't happy and simply killed her off, perhaps for spite.
Later, in a new book called X-Factor, the Jean Grey character was restored under the pretext that during an earlier "save the day/sacrifice myself" episode wherein Grey was piloting a doomed spacecraft, a disembodied entity came aboard and took over her life, putting her into suspended animation and taking her place, memories, and emotions and living as Grey/Phoenix and later, as Dark Phoenix. So it hadn't been the REAL Jean Grey at all who did the killing. On with comics superhero life: They all fought happily ever after!
Example #2 came when same X-men book creators made arch-villain Magneto a good guy. Same problem: he had killed; no way, Jose, can this guy ever be allowed to be a hero. So they came up with a storyline wherein Magneto was regressed to being a small child--children being instantly "innocent of sin"--and then "grew up" (magically quickly) as a different person, no longer with the taint of having been evil and killed. [Until they turned him into a bad guy again later, but that's comics!]
That's the classic hero ideal. There are some exceptions, of course, but to this day, nearly all shows and movies follow it. Even Dirty Harry never killed in cold blood; the bad guy was always reaching for a hidden weapon, or there was a innocent person who would die if Harry/whomever didn't act fast. If a hero killed, it had to be for a justifiable and selfless reason.
Morally, for the sake of the lesson to the viewers, the hero could never simply kill in cold blood.
If the show is following this model of the classic hero, Jack is indeed slated to die. Again, last season bought him redemption: forgiveness through the Muslim cleric and being "born again" via Kimmie's stem cells.
Last season Jack, like Phoenix and Magneto, was morally "saved" or resurrected and earned redemption, and redemption is the path to eventual salvation. Jack saw Renee following his old path to Hell and tried to intervene. Instead, he got pulled back into the abyss himself.
So, as I wrote above, is this one of the key lessons 24 wants to leave us with: that despite the self-serving pretense of some in the real world to claim only black and white, that no person in Jack's situation could ever truly be a "hero"--? That in a world of gray you can't tell the good guys from the bad without a scorecard, and there is no scorecard...?
Will the show's creative team continue to follow the classic hero mode, as they have, the past two seasons; will Jack again become a tragic figure; will he now find possible redemption only in selfless death, dying to save another...or will they break the mold and let Jack live and be happy? And if so, how will they pull it off?
As I said, this has gotten very interesting, for me, at least.
[Yes, I know all future 24 episodes are already in the can, a done deal; I was speaking as a viewer. And please forgive the comics thesis, but I lived for those babies when growing up!]