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When I had my boring-old-normal flu shot a couple of weeks ago, the pharmacist said it would be months before anything trickled down to low-risk people.
Marlow wrote:I thought I read that 250,000,000 (!!!) vaccines were ordered for the USA and the first batches are rolling out now!!!!!
You did. There will be more than enough for anyone who wants one.
The larger number of doses available is the result of only needing one shot, not two, and of needling less per shot that initially planned. Both of these things are a good deal for developing countries that would otherwise have trouble getting enough does at an acceptable cost.
Was it just a military thing or has anyone else ever been subjected to "The Gun"?! It was like a nail gun in that it was big electronic thing with about 100 shots in it and they lined us all up and shot us about 8 times each before our overseas deplyment. I shudder to think about the contamination factors involved, but by the end of the barrage, my shoulder was a bloody mess. It turns out that If you had just been lifting weights beforehand, your muscles tended to twitch DURING the injection, which just made sure the gun shredded the site.
YEEEEOOOOWWWCCCHHH!
I remember the mass all-in-one-at-once shots on induction into the military but I don't remember it as being especially painful or traumatic. It was not optional and we were pre-conditoned, I suspect, with horror tales to expect it to be worse than it actually was. I think we mostly just shrugged it off as a macho thing.
Marlow wrote:Was it just a military thing or has anyone else ever been subjected to "The Gun"?! It was like a nail gun in that it was big electronic thing with about 100 shots in it and they lined us all up and shot us about 8 times each before our overseas deplyment. I shudder to think about the contamination factors involved, but by the end of the barrage, my shoulder was a bloody mess. It turns out that If you had just been lifting weights beforehand, your muscles tended to twitch DURING the injection, which just made sure the gun shredded the site. YEEEEOOOOWWWCCCHHH!
I never did twitch and so did not get the bloody arm, but our shots were a little spread out and we were not getting overseas shots.
As for the H1N1 studies. A set of four country studies was just released. In Canada, the average age of 168 patients studied was 32.2 years and they were generally healthy adults even if underlying factors such as asthma and weight existed. 33 died -- about 20%. I think that 4% of those identified with flu got severely ill and so the fatality rate is almost 1%. In Mexico, those with severe illness were a larger fraction of the total and the mortality rate was higher.
In Canada, although the first wave was not very big some major cities were on the verge of having to fly patients out for treatment and were almost out of drugs for treatment.
There have been rapid rates of infection. In the Dells last week more than 200 of the 5xx students were out before the week was even over and they closed school -- that is an infection rate of over 50%. If the town gets 50% and even 1% (much less 4%) go to intensive care they will outstrip the ability to have respirators. The only real barrier is vaccination.
What rate of complications with this flu get close to those sorts of statistics?
It's all a Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy ! Worst yet, maybe the COMMUNISTS are behind it ! Be an AMERICAN !!! Don't get a left wing, pinko, commie flu shot !!!
lonewolf wrote:I remember the mass all-in-one-at-once shots on induction into the military but I don't remember it as being especially painful or traumatic. It was not optional and we were pre-conditoned, I suspect, with horror tales to expect it to be worse than it actually was. I think we mostly just shrugged it off as a macho thing.
I have the same recollection. I remember the shot guns. We walked one by one through a room where you passed guys with guns on either side of us. We'd get a shot in each arm, walk a few steps forward and then the next team would shoot us. We all survived.
lonewolf wrote:I remember the mass all-in-one-at-once shots on induction into the military but I don't remember it as being especially painful or traumatic. It was not optional and we were pre-conditoned, I suspect, with horror tales to expect it to be worse than it actually was. I think we mostly just shrugged it off as a macho thing.
I have the same recollection. I remember the shot guns. We walked one by one through a room where you passed guys with guns on either side of us. We'd get a shot in each arm, walk a few steps forward and then the next team would shoot us. We all survived.
When I was in the Czechoslovak military in the early sixties, we still used needles.
gh wrote:Another left-wing plot by the New York Times: confuse people with actual facts!
Spoken like a dyed-in-the-wool commie with anti-American bullshit leanings. This is America. Consider this a cancellaton of my subscription to the New York Times... :wink:
Since this is a public forum that might not protect me from legal troubles, I am not commenting.
Please tell me this is a crock. That is what I would guess, after seeing her jogging and walking backwards gait, plus her speech improving while jogging.
rasb wrote:Not very difficult to diagnose, with or without an MD. What a joke !
Listen, I am not saying a flu shot is causing this woman's condition. I am not certain her condition is genuine. But you are manifesting ignorance with your above comment.
