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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:54 am

lonewolf wrote:Friend Marlow, I suspect that if you introduce into your spiel the notion that man will run 100m in 5 seconds, you will instantly lose credibiity.. stick to the nano-babble.

Are they not part and parcel of the same Brave New World of mine? :P
An Emily Dickinson poem is apropos here:

Much Madness is divinest Sense -
To a discerning Eye -
Much Sense - the starkest Madness -
’Tis the Majority
In this, as all, prevail -
Assent - and you are sane -
Demur - you’re straightway dangerous -
And handled with a Chain -

8-)
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Pego » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:01 am

Marlow wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Friend Marlow, I suspect that if you introduce into your spiel the notion that man will run 100m in 5 seconds, you will instantly lose credibiity.. stick to the nano-babble.

Are they not part and parcel of the same Brave New World of mine? :P
An Emily Dickinson poem is apropos here:

Much Madness is divinest Sense -
To a discerning Eye -
Much Sense - the starkest Madness -
’Tis the Majority
In this, as all, prevail -
Assent - and you are sane -
Demur - you’re straightway dangerous -
And handled with a Chain -

8-)


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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:33 am

Pego wrote:
the article wrote:How fast will man eventually run? Will he ever run the 100 meters in five seconds flat?
"Not impossible," says one of the world's best known authorities on physiology and biomechanics. Professor Peter Weyand

With all due respect to the esteemed professor, this is utter nonsense.

But it's great publicity for his research. It seems that no one gets burned for ludicrous comments anymore.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Marlow » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:03 am

Pego wrote:You are lucky. Lonewolf, tandfman and I still love you.


"So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." - Carl Spackler (and me)

:D
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby jhc68 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:15 pm

Nevermind all this hypothetical 5 second 100m crap. From the LA Times today:
Researchers in Japan say they used mouse stem cells to create eggs and sperm, producing healthy offspring.

HOLY BUCKETS... this is legit Brave New World stuff.
We are just a generation or two away from producing hybridized sprinters who really can run 5 second 100 meters.
That is, barring the economic and social collapse of the civilized world which seems ever more imminent.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:10 pm

jhc68 wrote:just a generation or two away from producing hybridized sprinters

Can't they just have sex?
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Anthony Treacher » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:18 am

Sorry. Too much trouble these days.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:42 am

Anthony Treacher wrote:Sorry. Too much trouble these days.

And so imprecise. Millions of swimmers, trying to get to the prize, creating millions of permutations in offspring. It's so much easier to just manipulate the chromosomes into exactly what you want!
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:59 am

Marlow wrote:It's so much easier to just manipulate the chromosomes into exactly what you want!

I think you mean it's more efficient to genotype the embryos and only implant the ones you want. And we are at that point right now except we don't know the consequences of all the polymorphisms, just the major ones. So you probably won't get what you hope for with respect to your goal of a super athlete. But at least your child won't have cystic fibrosis and you'll know the sex.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Pego » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:20 am

Daisy wrote:at least your child won't have cystic fibrosis


Perhaps.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby lonewolf » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:34 am

Uhhh....One/two question(s): How do you identify the "super sperm"?..and the "super egg"?
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:47 am

lonewolf wrote:How do you identify the "super sperm"?..and the "super egg"?

That is the question. Although, you'd actually be genotyping the zygote, the result of fertilization.

Nobody knows the combination of genetic alleles that are THE ones you want.

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Daisy wrote:at least your child won't have cystic fibrosis

Perhaps.

Right, no guarantees with the epigenetic landscape complicating the genotype to phenotype equation. And there could always be denovo mutations not identified in the original genotyping.

And who knows what having the embryo manipulated in a petri dish could do? I guess the IVF babies are turing out to be 'normal'?
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby lonewolf » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:51 am

So far, I have (recently) flunked toe dragging, space, super colliders and fertilization.. what else ya got? :?
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:52 am

Daisy wrote:I think you mean it's more efficient to genotype the embryos

Oh . . . yeah . . . right . . . that's the ticket!
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:56 am

lonewolf wrote:So far, I have (recently) flunked toe dragging, space, super colliders and fertilization.. what else ya got? :?

How can fossil sea shells exist in the mountains?

Actually, I do have a real question that I think you might have thought about. How do the magnetic poles switch and what are the consequences of this when it happens? If any?
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby lonewolf » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:16 am

Daisy wrote:
lonewolf wrote:So far, I have (recently) flunked toe dragging, space, super colliders and fertilization.. what else ya got? :?

How can fossil sea shells exist in the mountains?

Actually, I do have a real question that I think you might have thought about. How do the magnetic poles switch and what are the consequences of this when it happens? If any?


Sea shells in the mountains are easy...pole reversal not so easy.. I don't think it happens in an instant.

My younger daughter's Masters thesis in Geophysics included a study tracking the migration of the North Pole through magnetic orientation of thin slices of rocks of varying ages.

Over the past few billion years the North Pole has done a figure 8 in the Pacific Ocean and returned to its present position near the oldest know original position. Presumably the South Pole was meandering in corresponding fashion..

I presume, had it kept going south, the polar regions would have migrated covering presently temperate zones until the poles were reversed.. of course, the continents would have been continously changing simultaneously.

The Earth and the Universe are not locked in place...While the geological history of Earth has been the focus and basis of my education and career, I am content to observe it for the century or so I am around and then hand off to someone else..
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:42 am

and we're overdue a mag pole flip! :shock:

The only thing stopping Earth having a lifeless environment like Mars is the magnetic field that shields us from deadly solar radiation and helps some animals migrate, and it may be a lot more fragile and febrile than one might think. Scientists say earth's magnetic field is weakening and could all but disappear in as little as 500 years as a precursor to flipping upside down. It has happened before - the geological record suggests the magnetic field has reversed every 250,000 years, meaning that, with the last event 800,000 years ago, another would seem to be overdue.
"Magnetic north has migrated more than 1,500 kilometres over the past century," said Conall Mac Niocaill, an earth scientist at Oxford University. "In the past 150 years, the strength of the magnetic field has lessened by 10 percent, which could indicate a reversal is on the cards."
While the effects are hard to predict, the consequences may be enormous. The loss of the magnetic field on Mars billions of years ago put paid to life on the planet if there ever was any, scientists say.
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/technology


Oh dear . . .
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Pego » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:27 am

lonewolf wrote:So far, I have (recently) flunked toe dragging, space, super colliders and fertilization.. what else ya got? :?


...plus Marlow's Klingon thing that drove a few of us in the cave under the rock.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby lonewolf » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:32 am

Now, I've flunked polar magnetism. :(
Not to worry, that remaining 500 year window should be adequate.. for me.. :)
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Daisy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:03 am

Marlow wrote:and we're overdue a mag pole flip! :shock:
The loss of the magnetic field on Mars billions of years ago put paid to life on the planet if there ever was any, scientists say.

Oh dear . . .

One problem with that statement. There is no correlation with extinction events and magnetic flips that I am aware of.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby Pego » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:29 am

Daisy wrote:
Marlow wrote:and we're overdue a mag pole flip! :shock:
The loss of the magnetic field on Mars billions of years ago put paid to life on the planet if there ever was any, scientists say.

Oh dear . . .

One problem with that statement. There is no correlation with extinction events and magnetic flips that I am aware of.


I love the phrase "scientists say." :evil:
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby bambam » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:13 am

Pego wrote:You are lucky. Lonewolf, tandfman and I still love you.


I never loved Marlow. I like him. But I never loved him.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby bambam » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:15 am

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:You are lucky. Lonewolf, tandfman and I still love you.


"So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." - Carl Spackler (and me)

:D


The full soliloquoy which I keep in my pocket of my white coat at work, to look at on bad days, to cheer me up:

So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one -- big hitter, the Lama -- long, into a 10,000 foot crevice, right at the base of this glacier. And do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga...gunga -- gunga galunga. So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

I also keep this one from Seinfeld to cheer me up on bad days, from George Costanza and marine biologist episode:

The sea was angry that day, my friends. Like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli. I got about 50 feet out, and suddenly, the great beast appeared before me. I tell ya’, he was 10 stories high if he was a foot. As if sensing my presence, he let out a great bellow. I said, “Easy, big fella!” And then, as I watched him struggling, I realized something was obstructing his breathing. From where I was standing I could see directly into the eye of the great fish.
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Re: Brave New World is here

Postby bambam » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:17 am

Marlow wrote:"So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." - Carl Spackler (and me)


A little basketball trivia about this quote. Jay Bilas, former Duke basketball player, and ESPN analyst, told me when he was playing and being interviewed after games, he always threw this quote into whatever he said at some point, trying to get it published. He said it never worked.
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