Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?


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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby Marlow » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:09 pm

batonless relay wrote:If it honestly was about the 'morality' of Gibson, then the sensible thing would have been to NOT walk IN; walking out would have been something of a show - a PR stunt for your personal newsreel to broadcast to everyone else a 'moral' superiority ("I walked OUT of THAT movie!*"), especially knowing that his 'morality' was an issue. And, if Gibson's morality was such a big issue -and Gibson's morality pales in comparison to some of the more egregious directors- then how is it possible that you go to the movies at all? Unless you're a hypocrite. Which is alright, I guess; most of us are. But if you can't iron out your own 'morality' then how can you tell the rest of us what it is. Gibson's 'morality' is worse than Tarantino's? Where? Which film? Nothing Gibson has done is as sophmoric and morally challenged as The Hangover. Why would you watch it given your moral compass that only points due north?
*Back in 2010 you said that you had no problem with The Passion of the Christ being in Aramaic but then 'morality' kicked in and you walked out of Apocalypto? I'm missing the whole Gibson's morals are so bad that you won't watch his movies. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40800&p=668498&hilit=The+Passion+of+the+Christ#p668498

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. Almost none of that made any sense to me. I guess I could enumerate, point by point, how your ideas have no rationality to me, but that would also be a truly futile exercise, no?
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby Flumpy » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:52 am

CookyMonzta wrote:Tomei benefited from the presence of 2 actresses with equally exceptional performances, both of whom split the vote between them and knocked each other out while Tomei walked in and took it by default. won.


That's not what happened. People often talk of vote splitting and it seldom makes any sense.

Tomei won because.........

1- She was the only American in the lineup. 9 times out of 10 if there is only one American to vote for the Academy does so.

2 - Comic relief. In a list overloaded with some of the worlds great great dramatic actresses giving full on dramatic performances her comedy turn stood out.

3 - She's REALLY good. I'd have gone for Davis but Tomei is 2nd in my book.
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:05 am

Marlow, I don't think you could enumerate. It has nothing to do with if you understand, it has to do with the fact that you know that you made a statement with no bearing in logic (ironic that you would now want to do a "point by point"). You said that Gibson's "moral compass is MORE mis-aligned than Tarantino" (emphasis mine) and when asked to give even one example you didn't. You didn't NOT because you couldn't but because then you would have to admit that you made an erroneous statement; that you have no evidence that Gibson's moral compass is more misaligned, and we all know that you can't do that because then it would crush your whole morals soapbox that you've hoisted yourself upon. I get it.

Flumpy wrote:Tomei won because.........
3 - She's REALLY good. I'd have gone for Davis but Tomei is 2nd in my book.

I'm not saying that she's not good, just like I'm not saying that Halle or Denzel are no good. They're great! But, were they deserving? In my book, no.
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby Marlow » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:18 am

batonless relay wrote:I get it.

Hardly. But you will.
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:55 am

Marlow wrote:
batonless relay wrote:I get it.

Hardly. But you will.

I am always shocked by how someone who unashamedly claims to be so morally superior is always so quick to go low. So to get back on point...

...Please show where "Gibson's moral compass is more mis-aligned than Tarantino's".
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby Marlow » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:14 am

batonless relay wrote:I am always shocked by how someone who unashamedly claims to be so morally superior

sigh . . . my opinion that Gibson's moral compass is mis-aligned is just that: an opinion. You have your 'morals', I have mine. It is self-evident that you think YOUR 'morals' are better than mine or you wouldn't even be raising the issue, so where does that leave you?

The one benefit to having posted a zillion times on this forum is that I can instantly recognize a completely pointless 'debate', which this little tete-a-tete most definitely is (and which the moderator hates), hence my excusing myself from its furtherance. You are welcome to continue without me . . . :D
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Re: Best Movie That Didn't Win The Oscar?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:45 am

Marlow wrote:
batonless relay wrote:I am always shocked by how someone who unashamedly claims to be so morally superior

sigh . . . my opinion that Gibson's moral compass is mis-aligned is just that: an opinion. You have your 'morals', I have mine. It is self-evident that you think YOUR 'morals' are better than mine or you wouldn't even be raising the issue, so where does that leave you?

The one benefit to having posted a zillion times on this forum is that I can instantly recognize a completely pointless 'debate', which this little tete-a-tete most definitely is (and which the moderator hates), hence my excusing myself from its furtherance. You are welcome to continue without me . . . :D

It's only pointless because you haven't made any substantial points; that's why you keep attacking me. I never said or implied that my morals were greater than yours, if anything, the opposite is true. This is not nor has it ever been a debate; it's been a request for you to show why YOU feel that Gibson's moral compass is more mis-aligned than Tarantino. A reasonable request. And, the only reason why I feel you refuse to do it is because you have no real evidence that your comment is true. I've seen you try to prove your points, taking on the board if necessary, on other positions where you felt you were morally superior to the board that amounted to your own personal crusade for political correctness (guns, alcohol, you name it); if you had actual examples of "Gibson's moral compass [being] more mis-aligned than Tarantino's" you would have presented them (usually with "support" being your purported stints: Stanford, Navy, school teacher, or high school athletes advisor). I will take you excusing yourself from answering my question as an acknowledgement that you were wrong to make the statement regarding Gibson's morals. So that ends it. :D
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