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Postby guru » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:24 pm

bad hammy wrote:Today around four years later the federal judge told the prosecution and defense to get together and arrange a plea deal - she doesn't want to go to trial with this



Bonds will never sign off on a deal that's anything short of a complete fold by Novitzky. And that ain't happening.
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Re: Bonds Indicted

Postby gh » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:56 am

Street chatter is that Novitzky's bosses may just pull the plug rather than pouring more money down a rathole. This has been a fabulously long (and expensive) process, and it's now looking as if even a worst-case-scenario for Bonds has him serving no time.
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Re: Bonds Indicted

Postby no one » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:37 pm

It must have been mentioned here before but without steroids Bonds was still a superstar. 73? Not sure ... prob not. Desperation to be on top - at any cost. Oh the wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

Likely known here is that his father was a Cal state champion in the LJ (25' 3") with very little practice. At home meets that coincided with home baseball games (Riverside Poly) he play the BBall game and during bottom of inning jog over to the LJ pit and take a jump. Track and BBall field were ~ 20yards apart. Likewise with the 100. Story goes that he came over for the 100 in a meet versus Muir HS (for those that know So Cal HS track). He ran 9.7 and got 5th - duel meet.

His uncle was the Cal State 120 and 180 champion in early 60s. And his aunt ran the 80m hurdles in the Olympics. Needless to say they were legends not just in Riverside but So Cal and Cal HS circles - with everyone track, as well as baseball and football.

I'm not sure but I think there was another brother who was equally athletically gifted - name 'Bob' - to complete the Bob - Robert - Bobby trifecta.

Quite a family legacy - more than sad chapter, now perhaps closing. I lived around the corner from Bobby and Barry for about 18 mo. I could out-due Barry in any sport ... of course he was 3 or 4 so it was pretty close.
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Re: Bonds Indicted

Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:09 pm

Besides being one of the greatest hitters of all times, he sure knows how to pick his friends. Susan McDougal ain't got nothin' on Greg Anderson.
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Re: Bonds Indicted

Postby bad hammy » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:56 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Besides being one of the greatest hitters of all times, he sure knows how to pick his friends. Susan McDougal ain't got nothin' on Greg Anderson.

Picked or bought, Anderson has been gold for Bonds.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:28 pm

The Feds are getting desperate.
At a federal court hearing court in San Francisco, Judge Susan Illston told Greg Anderson, who pleaded guilty to steroid distribution in the BALCO sports doping scandal, that he will return to prison if he refuses to testify at Bonds' trial on charges of lying under oath about using steroids. It's set to begin March 21.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... z1FPfxdC8p
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Re: Bonds Indicted

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:51 am

bad hammy wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Besides being one of the greatest hitters of all times, he sure knows how to pick his friends. Susan McDougal ain't got nothin' on Greg Anderson.

Picked or bought, Anderson has been gold for Bonds.


And likely conversely.

I think that the judge has to take the route she has taken -- requesting the testimony, setting out the implications and putting him jail for contempt during the course of the trial (only).
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby gh » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:25 am

Part of the Bonds defense: he's always been a jerk! (see story on front page)
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby Daisy » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:33 am

gh wrote:Part of the Bonds defense: he's always been a jerk! (see story on front page)

Well he does have a point there.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:10 am

The defense has rested without calling a single witness.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6300104
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby donley2 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:01 pm

Guilty of obstruction of justice. Hung jury on the other 3 charges.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6347014
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby Rye Catcher » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:52 pm

Oh gawd, I wanna be a big name, athlete/criminal. Always one wanna be donkey on the jury who just could not convict. They just want to get along.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [now on trial]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:49 pm

It is interesting that the one count went 11-1 but another went majority for acquittal. My guess is that additional info such as the tests would have resulted in a conviction on this one, but I understand the way that the legal system is structured.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4]

Postby guru » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:19 pm

I had to laugh in the post-verdict press conference outside the courthouse. Bonds' lawyer said how much Bonds wanted to speak, but because the case is ongoing he wouldn't be able to. Then after a few other comments to the reporters, the lawyer asked Bonds if he had anything he wanted to say :?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4]

Postby gh » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:47 pm

gets 2 years probation, 30 days house arrest (ouch! ouch! stop slapping my wrist!)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... robation/1
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby bad hammy » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:10 pm

Pathetic ending but no surprise . . .
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby gh » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:47 pm

and all this cost the Feds (aka, us) how many kazillions?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:08 pm

So I wonder how Greg Anderson feels about all of this? Is Barry going to give him a payday for the button-lips. He spends more time in the slammer than Barry. Does he think it was worth it?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Master Po » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:27 pm

Well, thank heaven the feds grounded that menace. I feel safer already...except for that MVP guy who just tested positive the other day...oh well. :roll:
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:06 pm

odelltrclan wrote: Does he think it was worth it?

Of course he thinks it was worth it. His whole raison d'etre was to protect Bonds. The only way Anderson would have regretted his decision to button up would have been if Bonds had gotten 20 years in Leavenwoth, then he would have felt like a dumbass.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:13 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
odelltrclan wrote: Does he think it was worth it?

Of course he thinks it was worth it. His whole raison d'etre was to protect Bonds. The only way Anderson would have regretted his decision to button up would have been if Bonds had gotten 20 years in Leavenwoth, then he would have felt like a dumbass.


Well, I think Greg was probably banking on a payday for his antics. Probably was promised one as well. So I think just maybe the jury is out on that if his payday does not come from Bonds in the future in some way. Going through what he went through to protect someone like Bonds? He may one day ask himself why? Was it worth it. Just wondering. Only time will tell. :?:
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:26 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Of course he thinks it was worth it. His whole raison d'etre was to protect Bonds. The only way Anderson would have regretted his decision to button up would have been if Bonds had gotten 20 years in Leavenwoth, then he would have felt like a dumbass.


Well, I think Greg was probably banking on a payday for his antics. Probably was promised one as well. So I think just maybe the jury is out on that if his payday does not come from Bonds in the future in some way. Going through what he went through to protect someone like Bonds? He may one day ask himself why? Was it worth it. Just wondering. Only time will tell. :?:

You do know Bonds and Anderson are lifelong friends going back to the days when they were little boys, don't you? They may not go back far enough to have played in the sandbox together, but they did literally shoot marbles together.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Avante » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:06 am

Really haven't paid much attention, yep don't really care....but...

Being that this is about sports, yes I know you still can't lie, I just can't see any of it on a level with real crooks/crime. No doubt my ignorance is showing on this. So many really bad people out there, some real legit lowlifes and we are "THAT" worried about............

Some yeas ago (locally) a couple brothers broke in on an old man and his wife who had a pretty granddaughter staying over. I'll leave it there. Now that's some seriousness there.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:07 am

Avante wrote:Being that this is about sports, yes I know you still can't lie, I just can't see any of it on a level with real crooks/crime. No doubt my ignorance is showing on this. So many really bad people out there, some real legit lowlifes and we are "THAT" worried about............

Obviously the judge felt the same way as you, hence the slap-on-the-wrist sentence.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Avante » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:57 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
Avante wrote:Being that this is about sports, yes I know you still can't lie, I just can't see any of it on a level with real crooks/crime. No doubt my ignorance is showing on this. So many really bad people out there, some real legit lowlifes and we are "THAT" worried about............

Obviously the judge felt the same way as you, hence the slap-on-the-wrist sentence.


We really do have to seperate sports from real life. A couple guys get in a fight on a football field. What the cops show up? Cheating in sports is wayyyyyyyyyy down then when we look at crime. Yes it appears the judge see's things that way. Like I said I understand why Bonds is in trouble but................
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:48 pm

Ryan Braun 'not guilty' of PED violation, crux seems to be the chain-of-custody. It is supposed to be sent immediately via FedEx but it was a Saturday so the guy did not send it until Monday, keeping at home (not in his presence, etc?).
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Friar » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:11 pm

My goodness what are the chances of the Commissioner's daughter's team (I think she's majority shareholder) getting their #1 player and AS back, due to mishandling of a couple of samples?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:32 pm

Friar wrote:My goodness what are the chances of the Commissioner's daughter's team (I think she's majority shareholder) getting their #1 player and AS back, due to mishandling of a couple of samples?


Pick your favorite track star and have his supposedly dirty samples sitting around a courier's house for a few days. You still think he should be suspended?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Pego » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:20 am

Friar wrote:Commissioner's daughter's team (I think she's majority shareholder)


Not since Mark Attanasio bought the team a few years ago.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby guru » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:46 am

Pego wrote:
Friar wrote:Commissioner's daughter's team (I think she's majority shareholder)


Not since Mark Attanasio bought the team a few years ago.



And MLB went out of it's way to roast the unbiased arbitrator who voted to overturn the suspension(MLB's arbitration rep voted to uphold the suspension, the Union rep voted to overturn))
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:35 am

I wouldn't be surprised if MLB win in court. We had a truck driver at my company that got fired after testing positive for cocaine and then got reinstated by the arbitrator. Undeterred, the company took the case to federal court and got the arbitrator's decision overturned.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Pego » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:02 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if MLB win in court. We had a truck driver at my company that got fired after testing positive for cocaine and then got reinstated by the arbitrator. Undeterred, the company took the case to federal court and got the arbitrator's decision overturned.


It would shock me if MLB took it to court.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:33 pm

Pego wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if MLB win in court. We had a truck driver at my company that got fired after testing positive for cocaine and then got reinstated by the arbitrator. Undeterred, the company took the case to federal court and got the arbitrator's decision overturned.


It would shock me if MLB took it to court.


There may even be language in the contract which states that the arbitration panel is binding and neither side is permitted to challenge in court.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Friar » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:04 pm

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1136318--milwaukee-brewers-ryan-braun-isn-t-innocent-and-dodged-a-bullet-dick-pound?bn=1
I was a bit surprised they'd ship samples to Montreal? Didn't MLB have anything closer?
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:56 pm

Friar wrote:http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1136318--milwaukee-brewers-ryan-braun-isn-t-innocent-and-dodged-a-bullet-dick-pound?bn=1
I was a bit surprised they'd ship samples to Montreal? Didn't MLB have anything closer?


The question should be doesn't WADA have anything closer.
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:14 am

Milwaukee to Montreal is not really that far; LA is further away, as is anywhere on the Pacific Coast.

721 Miles ( 1160.3 Kilometers

Milwaukee coordinates:
latitude: 43° 03' North
longitude: 87° 57' West

Montreal coordinates:
latitude: 45° 30' North
longitude: 73° 35' West
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:53 pm

26mi235 wrote:Milwaukee to Montreal is not really that far; LA is further away, as is anywhere on the Pacific Coast.

721 Miles ( 1160.3 Kilometers

Milwaukee coordinates:
latitude: 43° 03' North
longitude: 87° 57' West

Montreal coordinates:
latitude: 45° 30' North
longitude: 73° 35' West


True but that's where all the samples are sent.
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Braun should count his lucky stars . . .

Postby bad hammy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:47 pm

MLB fires arbitrator, changes language on PEDs so that Braun will not be so lucky next time.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/b ... index.html
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Re: Bonds Indicted [guilty on 1/4] [wrist whacked!]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:40 pm

despicable arbitrator, follows the rules the way they are written, not the way one party wanted them read...

The longest serving person in that position.
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Re: Braun should count his lucky stars . . .

Postby guru » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 pm

bad hammy wrote:MLB fires arbitrator, changes language on PEDs so that Braun will not be so lucky next time.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/b ... index.html



Looks like Braun's luck just ran out...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-braun ... 50670.html
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