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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Daisy » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:41 am

Except, his point was to prove he could not hold back the tide. 8-)
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:58 am

If you told Exxon or Lukoil that, in order to avoid wrecking the climate, they couldn't pump out their reserves, the value of their companies would plummet. John Fullerton, a former managing director at JP Morgan who now runs the Capital Institute, calculates that at today's market value, those 2,795 gigatons of carbon emissions are worth about $27 trillion. Which is to say, if you paid attention to the scientists and kept 80 percent of it underground, you'd be writing off $20 trillion in assets.


The guy is actually a terrible economist, and in this context that is a non-trivial failing.

Specifically, How does he come up with the value figure of $27 trillion. You have to have some prices in the market. Now, if they produce somewhat less than the full amount the price might be a little bit higher, ... As such, the more you do not produce the higher the unit price and the total dollar value does not fall proportionately with the quantity (in some circumstances it will rise, as you have seen when supply is cut back 5% and the price increase by several times that 5%).

Add to this that it is not revenues that matter but revenues minus expenses. Thus, the net revenues will fall not nearly as fast as the total revenues because of the savings in cost, which are greatest on the marginal units, the ones that would go un-utilized.

When the most basic elements are not even a part of the discussion, the discussion is not worth much.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby gh » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:55 am

Daisy wrote:Except, his point was to prove he could not hold back the tide. 8-)


I learned something today! Since that's not what I learned at all, I went looking, and Wiki says

<<Henry of Huntingdon, the 12th-century chronicler, tells how Cnut set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet "continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person. Then the king leapt backwards, saying: 'Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.' He then hung his gold crown on a crucifix, and never wore it again "to the honour of God the almighty King".[95] This incident is usually misrepresented by popular commentators and politicians as an example of Cnut's arrogance.[96]>>

I'm sure that in school we learned that he thought he could. I've certainly remembered it that way for the last 50-odd years.

Thanks for the path to enlightenment!
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Daisy » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:26 am

gh wrote:Thanks for the path to enlightenment!

Strange, I always thought it was common knowledge. I guess it all depends on who your teacher is in history. Obviously I had a very good one.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby DrJay » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:59 am

jazz, I hope you have a sturdy canoe handy.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:55 am

DrJay wrote:jazz, I hope you have a sturdy canoe handy.

I'm not worried about flooding where I live, but thanks anyway.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby DrJay » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:58 am

I hope family and friends are OK.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby jeremyp » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:00 am

Daisy wrote:Except, his point was to prove he could not hold back the tide. 8-)

%^&*$()&% I knew there was something wrong.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby jeremyp » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:04 am

Isaac blew on by out to sea and all we got was 5-6 inches of rain, and flooded docks. Debby on the other hand made the waters rise a foot or so more. Hope all goes well in the north gulf.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:33 am

Isaac is suppose to last over NO until tomorrow morning. That is one slooow storm. Already 10 inches of rain.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby EPelle » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:02 am

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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Pego » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:30 am

From the National Academy of Sciences

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12781&page=1
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Daisy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:33 am

Pego, We'll be dead soon anyway, so no worries.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:44 am

I'm sure this is just coincidence, but

Scientific American wrote: The Arctic Sea Ice extent this September was far smaller than the previous record set in 2007. At 3.4 million square kilometers of ice coverage, this year’s Arctic minimum was 600,000 square kilometers smaller than the 2007 record. That difference between the previous record and this year’s is larger than the entire state of California, and almost as large as the state of Texas. An ice-free summer in the Arctic, once projected to be more than a century away, now looks possible decades from now.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gue ... what-next/

Surely there can be no negative consequences to a melt-off of the Polar Ice-cap . . . can there?
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby bad hammy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:25 am

Marlow wrote:Surely there can be no negative consequences to a melt-off of the Polar Ice-cap . . . can there?

My current abode is about 5 feet above sea level and the sea (well, bay) is about 100 yards from the my back door. I might be just a bit more concerned if I wasn't renting . . .
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:31 pm

bad hammy wrote:
Marlow wrote:Surely there can be no negative consequences to a melt-off of the Polar Ice-cap . . . can there?

My current abode is about 5 feet above sea level and the sea (well, bay) is about 100 yards from the my back door. I might be just a bit more concerned if I wasn't renting . . .


The melting Arctic Ice Cap won't effect ocean levels.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Marlow » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:54 pm

Conor Dary wrote:The melting Arctic Ice Cap won't effect ocean levels.

That's only the floating ice. If the Greenland ice cap melts (which it is), that's a 20' rise in tides.
But that's only the tip of the iceberg (pun!). Without the reflective nature of the ice, the polar region will absorb more of the sun's radiation and accelerate Global Warming.
Then there's the more disastrous effects of climate change: more frequent and powerful hurricanes/typhoons, devastating floods and severe droughts.
I'm sure this whole scenario is just scare tactics by all those eco-terrorist tree-huggers!
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:38 pm

Marlow wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:The melting Arctic Ice Cap won't effect ocean levels.

That's only the floating ice. If the Greenland ice cap melts (which it is), that's a 20' rise in tides.
But that's only the tip of the iceberg (pun!). Without the reflective nature of the ice, the polar region will absorb more of the sun's radiation and accelerate Global Warming.
Then there's the more disastrous effects of climate change: more frequent and powerful hurricanes/typhoons, devastating floods and severe droughts.
I'm sure this whole scenario is just scare tactics by all those eco-terrorist tree-huggers!


Yea, I didn't mean to imply it is no big deal. The Arctic Ice Cap is just like an ice cube in a gin and tonic. Well sort of....you get the idea. But I agree with all that you say.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby tandfman » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:51 pm

Another bit of evidence of global warming. In some Arctic areas in Canada, for the first time ever, they are having to use cooling systems to make ice for hockey.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sport ... stems.html
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Conor Dary » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:16 pm

It is getting a tad warm down under...

    Australia's "dome of heat" has become so intense that the temperatures are rising off the charts – literally.

    The Bureau of Meteorology's interactive weather forecasting chart has added new colours – deep purple and pink – to extend its previous temperature range that had been capped at 50 degrees (or 122F).

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weath ... 2ce33.html
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:22 pm

The Northwest Passage, which had been iced over for centuries, is now so clear a passenger ship went through it last year.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:43 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
bad hammy wrote:
Marlow wrote:Surely there can be no negative consequences to a melt-off of the Polar Ice-cap . . . can there?

My current abode is about 5 feet above sea level and the sea (well, bay) is about 100 yards from the my back door. I might be just a bit more concerned if I wasn't renting . . .


The melting Arctic Ice Cap won't effect ocean levels.


It will not affect ocean levels. However, it will send cold fresh water into the oceans to the south and has the possibility to alter currents some. When some currents gets altered enough you can get major climate effects. Consider if the warm currents coming up the Eastern Seaboard and across to Northern Europe gets altered and cuts across somewhere further south. You could get significant temperature changes there (colder) and warmer conditions elsewhere. I think that this is actually not the circulation change that is most of concern; rather there is one (probably related to melt from Greenland) that could exacerbate the warming in parts of the northern hemisphere and increase the feedback effects leading to faster melting, I think.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Friar » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:16 pm

Best playoff-day --Foxboro/48-- weather I've ever seen on Jan.13. Can't even call it a Jan. thaw because it really hasn't been out-of-ordinary cold yet. I was even motivated to do yard work...with a rake.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby tandfman » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:06 am

Remarkable story linked on front page. Apparently Kenyan runners' training has been affected by "climate-linked" rising temperatures there.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Marlow » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:26 am

By now we've (N Fla) had a coupla early-morning frosts. None last year; none this. In the 80s last coupla days. Norm high for now is high 60s. These 'facts' do not mean anything (too small sample), and does not prove it's man-made (could be a natural climactic cycle), but it does seem ominous. If you saw the pictures of the Chinese smog last week, you can see that our 'carbon footprint' really is a problem that MUST be forcefully addressed, regardless of your politics.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Conor Dary » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:15 am

Here in Chicago we just tied the record for the latest 1 inch snowfall, and tomorrow we break it. The old record was set in 1899. In fact we haven't had a 1 inch snowfall since last February or about 328 days.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Pego » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:43 pm

Central Wisconsin is supposed to dip tonight to -25F, wind chill factor -40F. Brrrrrrr.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby Daisy » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:43 pm

Pego wrote:Central Wisconsin is supposed to dip tonight to -25F, wind chill factor -40F. Brrrrrrr.

More proof that global warming is a hoax!
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby tandfman » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:05 pm

Record temps in Sydney, Australia the other day. Track meets cancelled. Too darn hot. 115F (46C).

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weath ... 2cxrr.html
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby az2004 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:35 am

isn;t the salinity of the water the key, and the changes in it's circulaion

on an aside the brutal cold weather of the next few days is the coldest in the past few days

i fel like i have carpal tunnel syndrome due to it
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:06 pm

tandfman wrote:Record temps in Sydney, Australia the other day. Track meets cancelled. Too darn hot. 115F (46C).

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weath ... 2cxrr.html


I set my 10k PR on the day it hit 113 in Pomona, CA (it was a soft PR, set in a 15km race run on the 4th of July, so it was not fast conditions either).
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:57 pm

Well, what a difference a year makes. Last year we had the hottest March on record, by far. This, well...

The last time that it was 40 without rain (low 40-42 and rain is rather nastier than, say 35) was Dec 4. Our average temp in March so far has been 25, and the next week is supposed to be lower than that with our first daily high above freezing may be next Sunday (and there are five inches of snow on the ground, with a couple more coming.

Last week and next (if the forecast holds) will be almost 40 degrees colder than last year, with six in a row averaging over 50 degrees colder.

Now, that is why we do not do outside track meets in March (and few in April).
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby lonewolf » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:36 pm

Worked first outdoor meet of the season Friday. 76 F, sunshine, lite breeze . Received an emergency call from OkSt throws coach to head the HT for tri-dual Tulsa U, which does not have a hammer facility, was hosting. So, the throwers had a 180 mile RT to compete. Change of pace/event for me but fun.
OSU redshirt Nick Miller, competing unattached, won the event with a 69.76 m first toss. He had some out of left sector throws near the 80m arc. I do not know if that is good but since he won by about 15m over some large healthy men it must be respectable.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:21 pm

Will the OT A and B marks were 72 and 64m and the WCs are 79 and 76, and here are the London results; only one over 80m (of course, maybe they have a headwind :lol: ):

1 2048 Hungary PARS Krisztian 80.59 +
2 2930 Slovenia KOZMUS Primoz 79.36 SB +
3 2229 Japan MUROFUSHI Koji 78.71 SB +
4 3150 Ukraine SOKYRSKIYY Olexiy 78.25 +
5 2808 Russian Federation IKONNIKOV Kirill 77.86 +
6 1520 Czech Republic MELICH Lukas 77.17 +
7 2678 Poland ZIOLKOWSKI Szymon 77.10 +
8 2145 Italy VIZZONI Nicola 76.07 +
9 3224 United States of America JOHNSON Kibwe 74.95 +
10 3022 Tajikistan NAZAROV Dilshod 73.80 +
11 1169 Belarus SVIATOKHA Valery 73.13 +
12 1834 Great Britain SMITH Alexander 72.87 +
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby lonewolf » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Hmmmm.. he definitely had throws in the middle of that list..he is very fast spinner had some long foot fouls.. seemed to take more turns that the other throwers...
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby DrJay » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:08 am

Ain't actin' FUNNY, actin' MEAN! In the 60s on Monday, then major storm yesterday with the strongest sustained winds I've ever seen at our office, not much snow and most of it sublimed before it could settle, then down to about 8F last night (0F in Woodland Park where I live.) Went for a run at lunch today and the angle of the sun's telling me "spring" and the thermometer's telling me 34F at High Noon. But it should be 70 by the weekend.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:06 pm

Yes, we have been having late winter here too. High of 36 with a wind-chill max of 27 with rain. Only a few days since early December with temperatures above 40 and I have been gone for most and a couple only got there because rain came in, usually leaving with a snow flourish at the end. Ugg! :evil: Hard to believe that last year mid-March had a week with highs primarily in the 80s.
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby bambam » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:12 pm

Coldest, longest winter in North Carolina that I can remember
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby DrJay » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:16 pm

Nastiest April in CO in my memory. A snowfall or two is normal, but we've had maybe four truly nice days this month. A bit of snow yesterday, more today, 33F now, wind. HIghs in the low 30s Thurs, more nastiness early next week.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ ... now-denver
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Re: Weather Acting Funny in Your Neighbourhood?

Postby bambam » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:08 pm

bambam wrote:Coldest, longest winter in North Carolina that I can remember


Finally, spring and warm weather. 84 today in Durham
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