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Postby figo » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:11 pm

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/07/ap3591203.html

Global Warming
By CAIN BURDEAU 04.07.07, 12:28 AM ET
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Postby figo » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:12 pm

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sc ... 643955.php

Global warming on Mars
Causes of planet's heating believed to be different from those on Earth.
By DAVID PERLMAN
San Francisco Chronicle

Global warming has hit Mars, but the shifting winds and swirling dust that scientists theorize power climate changes there bear no relation to the heat-trapping gases that concern the people of Earth.

Researchers studying images of the Martian surface taken by generations of orbiting spacecraft have found that the planet's most prominent features have darkened and lightened in recent decades, altering the way sunlight reflects from its sandy soils, its rocky heights and its deep craters.

The result, say the scientists, is that average global ground temperatures on Mars have risen by more than 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit during the past two decades, while the surface air temperature has risen by a little more than a degree in the same period.

That level of climate change, extended over a century, is well within the ballpark of the 5 degree warming trend on Earth forecast by the International Panel on Climate Change for the end of this century.

A report on Mars's warming was published Thursday in the journal Nature by Lori Fenton, a planetary geologist with the SETI Institute's Carl Sagan Center in Mountain View, Robert M. Haberle, a climate model expert at NASA's Ames Research Center, and Paul Geissler, a Mars specialist at the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Ariz.

On Earth, Fenton says, the recent decades of increasing global temperatures have been caused by increased emissions of industrial heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide and methane, while on Mars, it's the darkening of many surface regions that allows the sun to warm the planet.

"Albedo" is the term for a planet's ability to reflect sunlight, and Mars' overall albedo has decreased since it was first measured from 1976 to 1978 by infrared detectors aboard the two orbiting Viking spacecraft whose landers searched for Martian life.

More than 20 years later, infrared heat detectors aboard the orbiting Mars Global Surveyor measured the planet's albedo and found it had darkened significantly.

The cause, according to Fenton, is a combination of high winds that periodically scour bright sand and dust from many rocky surface regions, fierce "dust devils" similar to those that whip desert sands on Earth, and truly major dust storms like the one in 2001 that literally wrapped itself around the planet before subsiding.

The causes of global warming on Mars – still not entirely understood, Fenton said – are not only far different from those on Earth, but so are the temperatures.

According to Fenton and her colleagues, the global average ground temperature on Mars measured by Viking's instruments was about 97 degrees below zero. When Mars Global Surveyor took measurements 22 years later, it had heated to 95 degrees below zero.

Whether warming persists depends on where and how the winds whirl the sands around and change the planet's albedo from bright to dark or back again, Fenton said.
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Postby figo » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:15 pm

http://newsbusters.org/node/11879

Australian TV Exposes 'Stranded Polar Bear' Global Warming Hoax
Posted by Noel Sheppard on April 6, 2007 - 12:05.

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Postby figo » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:41 pm

my position on this global warming thing remains unchanged, except from the study comes the conclusion that global warming and co2 is probably a good thing as the ice core data suggests a nasty cooling trend likely in the near future.

most of the warming is from the sun's cycles and earth, oceanic volcanoes.
a bit is coming from man.

that said, the global warmers best efforts may reduce pollution which is a serious problem.

another part of the thesis is that the global warming crowd in general lack the smarts to utilize capital effectively.

united nations expert reports should be disregarded because that organization is corrupt and disfunctional.

in the end, global warmers and critics have little control on the earths climate.
the point of the whole anti-global warming thing in my view is to limit funds to foolish groups and to discourage fascist tactics against scientists that
are voicing their best opinions.

so say no to fascists always and say no to people who discourage looking at both sides of any argument.

f politically correct, its the voice of the mediocre.
mediocre gets you where?
toward or back to the stone age.
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Postby cullman » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:01 am

FYI...record highs today after having snow a couple of days ago.

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Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:10 am

Isn:t that what the spring season provides -- unpredictability in terms of cold one day, warm the next?
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Postby cullman » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:26 am

We're used to pretty moderate weather changes in Vancouver. Usually it's rain followed by more rain which is occassionally interrupted with showers. :shock:

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Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:55 am

Ouch :-) Must take some getting used to!
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Postby MJD » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:52 am

A UN panel released a report yesterday. Covered in depth on The Newshour last night. Sound clip here:

http://media.pbs.org/ramgen/newshour/ex ... rming28.rm


Transcript here:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environm ... 04-06.html


This might surprise some people:

"On the other hand, I think, by and large, the U.S. government played a constructive role. But the document is, in some aspects, probably weaker than some of the scientists would have it. But on looking it over carefully after I got off the plane, I thought it's a -- if I might say so myself -- I think it's quite a good piece of work."
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Postby gm » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:02 am

DAMN GLOBAL WARMING!
It is frigid and wet for the Texas Relays, and I want answers from those evil people controlling the global warmerizing machine!
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Postby MJD » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:34 am

I am staring at a good old fashioned blizzard right now outside my office window.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:52 am

I went for a 6 miler this mornin and it was so cold my face was numb! Its global cooling i tell ya. :D
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Postby gh » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:05 am

figo wrote:http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/07/ap3591203.html

Global Warming
By CAIN BURDEAU 04.07.07, 12:28 AM ET

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed


Figo--what part of that last (which was in your original post, which I cut 99% of) do you not undestand? Continue posting these articles in toto and you're banned. Period.
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Postby bad hammy » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:22 am

Ah man, you cut my rip on figo for being more long winded than Al Gore!
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Postby DrJay » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:06 am

The dogwoods bloomed about three weeks early in Louisville this year, according to Mom, and it's 32F there right now.
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Postby Mennisco » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:44 am

gh wrote:in toto


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Postby malmo » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:07 am

I thought there was a 'consensus' Mr Gore?

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070407/D8OBK1DG0.html
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:14 am

malmo wrote:I thought there was a 'consensus' Mr Gore?

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070407/D8OBK1DG0.html


I dont know if "Global warming" is caused by man. I do know there are many, many experts and scientists who disagree with the Doom-dayers Christ figure.
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Postby malmo » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:14 am

tandfman wrote:
I think the Electoral College is an anachronism, totally irrelevant to today's society and political environment. Yet there seems to be not a whisper on either side of the aisle to get rid of it. I don't understand this, but I'm not a politician, so I guess I'm not supposed to.


You're right, you don't understand it. The Electorial College is NOT an anachronism at all. It doesn't even come close the the defintion of the word. The Electorial College is simply a mirror image of the way our Federal Government is set up. The States send their representatives (ie votes) to Congress in the Legislative Branch. The States get an equal representation of votes for the Executive Branch as well.
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Postby malmo » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:18 am

SQUACKEE wrote:I dont know if "Global warming" is caused by man. I do know there are many, many experts and scientists who disagree with the Doom-dayers Christ figure.


The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor (95 percent). Manmade CO2 is responsible for 0.117 percent of greenhouse gases. Hopefully the Supreme Court, in all their wisdom, allows the EPA to call water vapor a pollutant so we can get down to the real root of the imaginary problem.
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Postby Mennisco » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:40 am

malmo wrote:Hopefully the Supreme Court, in all their wisdom, allows the EPA to call water vapor a pollutant so we can get down to the real root of the imaginary problem.


Vanishing trees? I admit I know next to nothing about this issue, [blushing, bowed head], and I am simultaneously curious to hear both sides of the debate. (1) If you had to play devil's advocate, how would you approach the figure you quoted on human contribution to CO2 emissions, and (2) from your perspective, how does the presentation of that statistic amount to an impartial [no pun] analysis of the situation?
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Postby malmo » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:01 pm

Mennisco wrote:
malmo wrote:Hopefully the Supreme Court, in all their wisdom, allows the EPA to call water vapor a pollutant so we can get down to the real root of the imaginary problem.


Vanishing trees? I admit I know next to nothing about this issue, [blushing, bowed head], and I am simultaneously curious to hear both sides of the debate. (1) If you had to play devil's advocate, how would you approach the figure you quoted on human contribution to CO2 emissions, and (2) from your perspective, how does the presentation of that statistic amount to an impartial [no pun] analysis of the situation?


I don't understand your question. Speak Merikan, please.
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Postby Mennisco » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:21 pm

"The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor (95 percent). Manmade CO2 is responsible for 0.117 percent of greenhouse gases. Hopefully the Supreme Court, in all their wisdom, allows the EPA to call water vapor a pollutant so we can get down to the real root of the imaginary problem."

In all sincerity, ah' have not eyeball much on dis issue. But ah' am curious, dig dis: Maybe ah' misdig it yo' point, but ain't 0.117 some kinda small number? So's why such some big fuss upside such some little number? Why all de hoopla?
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Postby Mennisco » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:00 pm

"Manmade CO2 is responsible for 0.117 percent of greenhouse gases......imaginary problem"

OK, sorry, I wasn't clear on where I was coming from in my first post a few above this. And then I used the wrong "Merickan dialect to rephrase it! :wink:

You've given us a statistic, and I am genuinely curious: It sounds to my layman's ears like man-made CO2 represents a miniscule contribution to greenhouse gases, eg., 0.117% is not much. At the risk of sounding like an airhead, I'm wondering why all the fuss [over CO2 emissions], globally, if this is the case.

I better get up to speed on this topic. It's actually somewhat embarrassing to be a teacher and know so little about it.
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Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:44 pm

Often held under sunny skies in front of a full house at 20,000-seat Myers Stadium, the final day of the 80th edition of the Relays unfolded in conditions better suited for the Iditarod. Temperatures hovered in the mid- to upper 30s. There was precipitation — some of it icy. All that was lacking was snowshoes and sleds — as well as snow, which was falling elsewhere in Texas.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content ... 7&cxcat=54

The weather has turned freezing. The course has turned into Augusta Nasty-al. The greatest players in the world have turned frantic.

In the previous 70 years of the Masters, nothing higher than even par was in front after 54 holes. Take that record and toss it into Rae's Creek.

http://www.sportsline.com/golf/tourname ... y/10114667
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Postby MJD » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:10 am

"This plunge of cold air into the southern Plains will also lead to additional snow and sleet from Colorado into the panhandle of Texas. Yesterday, accumulating snow was seen through central and western Texas, with Copperas Cove receiving 4.0 inches, while over 2 inches of snow blanketed Lubbock. Even cities where snow is rarely seen saw snowflakes. Flurries where seen in Dallas, Texas, for only the fourth time in its April history."


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Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:44 am

Weather:s acting funny in Cleveland!

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Postby figo » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:12 am

gh wrote:
figo wrote:http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/04/07/ap3591203.html

Global Warming
By CAIN BURDEAU 04.07.07, 12:28 AM ET

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed


Figo--what part of that last (which was in your original post, which I cut 99% of) do you not undestand? Continue posting these articles in toto and you're banned. Period.


gh
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i'm done.
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:28 am

Here, I'll help you out by removing the quote. Listen to MJD.
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Postby MJD » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:38 am

figo, seriously, there are a few of us that would like to see you stick around but you better edit
that real fast. gh is right on this one.
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Postby Daisy » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:50 am

figo your stuff is too good. Don't do it. Just give us the links and the first paragraph. that works great.
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Postby Mennisco » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:52 pm

As one who has been down that road before, I urge you to edit your post, and take a cooling-off time-out. Don't make decisions in the heat of this kind of emotion. Think about it ok, obviously some of us care enough to say so.
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Postby lonewolf » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:03 pm

Figo,, you are the most informed, articulate contributor on the board of what I believe is the correct side of this argumen. It is my impression that more people every where are recognizing the fallibility of the gobal warming hysteria.
Don't bail on us. I urge you, just give us the link, those who care will click it.
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Postby Mennisco » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:22 pm

figo wrote:
that said, the global warmers best efforts may reduce pollution which is a serious problem.

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Wish I had noticed that sooner. I haven't really paid attention to your posts Figo because honestly I was too lazy to go through the long amounts of data - had you posted links with a synopsis of the arguments to which they pointed, you'd have caught my attention much quicker than you caught gh's. I am genuinely curious to hear both sides of the debate, and I've indicated this further up this thread. And I admit, before I entertain hearing any more of it, I owe it to myself to learn the basics. I've been swayed by the "World's Top Scientists.....blah blah" talk, like I don't understand how electricity works but I don't question the theories underpinning it either. Not a good analogy maybe except insofar as it demonstrates how much faith we put in "science".
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Postby Daisy » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:02 am

Mennisco wrote:it demonstrates how much faith we put in "science".


And so you should!! :)

But seriously, as you know, the common thread for science, apart from the scientific method, is ignorance.
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Postby Mennisco » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:55 am

Daisy wrote:
Mennisco wrote:it demonstrates how much faith we put in "science".


And so you should!! :)

But seriously, as you know, the common thread for science, apart from the scientific method, is ignorance.


You're TOO funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby MJD » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:08 am

Too funny. Our ski club made a bad call deciding to close Easter after those two warm days. My problem with this debate is that everytime you see a report like this, people say "That's proves the global warming case." Or, maybe, everything is just reverting to the mean.

/"O.CON.KBUF.WS.A.0004.070415T0300Z- 070416T2200Z/ MONROE-WAYNE-NORTHERN CAYUGA-GENESEE-WYOMING-LIVINGSTON- ONTARIO- CATTARAUGUS-ALLEGANY- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROCHESTER... NEWARK...FAIR HAVEN... BATAVIA... WARSAW...GENESEO...CANANDAIGUA... OLEAN...WELLSVILLE 336 AM EDT SAT APR 14 2007

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM THIS EVENING THROUGH MONDAY AFTERNOON...

A WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH MONDAY AFTERNOON.

SNOW IS EXPECTED TO OVERSPREAD THE REGION LATE TONIGHT AND SUNDAY MORNING AND CONTINUE THROUGH MONDAY. THE SNOW MAY BE MIXED WITH OR EVEN CHANGE TO RAIN FOR A TIME DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS SUNDAY BUT CHANGE BACK TO ALL SNOW SUNDAY NIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THE SNOWFALL... NORTHERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY WITH SUSTAINED WINDS OF 20 TO 25 MPH AND GUSTS TO NEAR 40 MPH POSSIBLE."
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:21 am

If Al Gore and his energy sapping mansion were buried under 100 feet of ice he would say , "Global warming is unpredictable".

It certainly is Al , it certainly is. :lol:
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Postby MJD » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:39 pm

They have downgraded the report above from a Winter Storm Watch to a Winter Weather Advisory. A distinction without a difference:

"TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS BY MONDAY EVENING MAY REACH 5 TO 8 INCHES WITH THE GREATEST AMOUNTS EXPECTED ACROSS HIGHER ELEVATIONS. IN ADDITION TO THE HEAVY SNOWFALL...NORTH WINDS WILL INCREASE SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY WITH SUSTAINED WINDS OF 20 TO 25 MPH AND GUSTS TO 35 MPH. THE COMBINATION OF HEAVY WET SNOW AND GUSTY WINDS MAY RESULT IN SOME ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES."
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Postby bad hammy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:45 pm

It rained today in sunny CA. Does that count??
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