good science is largely a myth. we're barely out of the dark ages. but hey, we're doing pretty good for a bunch of hunter gathers. one of these days we might actually have competent scientists, decent gentlemen and classy ladies. i for one am working on it, but it's tough, you know, being a hunter gather with an advanced chimp brain. i still like monkey business.
The notion the Earth has rights will enter our legal systems as we evolve.
tandfman wrote:Just a reminder that when science becomes political, it may cease to be good science.
Which was virtually proven true in the late 19th century when the Indiana state legislature came within one vote of declaring it a law that, henceforth, the value of pi in Indiana would be 3. Just 3. Not 3 anything.
politicians baffled with "fancy" math... greeks of 2500 years ago would not be impressed.
remember gore blew science....
The bill made it through three readings and votes in the House, and its first reading in the Senate. It was evidently seen as of economical benefit, since Indiana would save royalties on the patent, and the legislators proclaimed themselves unfit to comprehend the details of the bill anyway. The finale was dramatic and down to the wire:
That the bill was killed appears to be a matter of dumb luck rather than the superior education or wisdom of the Senate. It is true that the bill was widely ridiculed in Indiana and other states, but what actually brought about the defeat of the bill is recorded by Prof. C.A. Waldo in an article he wrote for the Proceedings of the Indiana Academy of Science in 1916. The reason he knows is that he happened to be at the State Capitol lobbying for the appropriation of the Indiana Academy of Science, on the day the Housed passed House Bill 246. ... The roll was then called and the bill passed its third and final reading in the lower house. A member then showed the writer [i.e. Waldo] a copy of the bill just passed and asked him if he would like an introduction to the learned doctor, its author. He declined the courtesy with thanks remarking that he was acquainted with as many crazy people as he cared to know. That evening the senators were properly coached and shortly thereafter as it came to its final reading in the upper house they threw out with much merriment the epoch making discovery of the Wise Man from the Pocket.
Polar bears outside of Norway are now dying from what scientists attribute to the warmer climates melting the ices, causing them to be unable to chase seals where they normally do. Same has been stated of polar bears in Canada.
Some seals have been forced to birth their young on land due to the increased temperatures in the waters.
Global warming on Mars Causes of planet's heating believed to be different from those on Earth.
By DAVID PERLMAN
San Francisco Chronicle
Global warming has hit Mars, but the shifting winds and swirling dust that scientists theorize power climate changes there bear no relation to the heat-trapping gases that concern the people of Earth.
Researchers studying images of the Martian surface taken by generations of orbiting spacecraft have found that the planet's most prominent features have darkened and lightened in recent decades, altering the way sunlight reflects from its sandy soils, its rocky heights and its deep craters.
The result, say the scientists, is that average global ground temperatures on Mars have risen by more than 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit during the past two decades, while the surface air temperature has risen by a little more than a degree in the same period.
That level of climate change, extended over a century, is well within the ballpark of the 5 degree warming trend on Earth forecast by the International Panel on Climate Change for the end of this century.
A report on Mars's warming was published Thursday in the journal Nature by Lori Fenton, a planetary geologist with the SETI Institute's Carl Sagan Center in Mountain View, Robert M. Haberle, a climate model expert at NASA's Ames Research Center, and Paul Geissler, a Mars specialist at the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Ariz.
On Earth, Fenton says, the recent decades of increasing global temperatures have been caused by increased emissions of industrial heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide and methane, while on Mars, it's the darkening of many surface regions that allows the sun to warm the planet.
"Albedo" is the term for a planet's ability to reflect sunlight, and Mars' overall albedo has decreased since it was first measured from 1976 to 1978 by infrared detectors aboard the two orbiting Viking spacecraft whose landers searched for Martian life.
More than 20 years later, infrared heat detectors aboard the orbiting Mars Global Surveyor measured the planet's albedo and found it had darkened significantly.
The cause, according to Fenton, is a combination of high winds that periodically scour bright sand and dust from many rocky surface regions, fierce "dust devils" similar to those that whip desert sands on Earth, and truly major dust storms like the one in 2001 that literally wrapped itself around the planet before subsiding.
The causes of global warming on Mars – still not entirely understood, Fenton said – are not only far different from those on Earth, but so are the temperatures.
According to Fenton and her colleagues, the global average ground temperature on Mars measured by Viking's instruments was about 97 degrees below zero. When Mars Global Surveyor took measurements 22 years later, it had heated to 95 degrees below zero.
Whether warming persists depends on where and how the winds whirl the sands around and change the planet's albedo from bright to dark or back again, Fenton said.
my position on this global warming thing remains unchanged, except from the study comes the conclusion that global warming and co2 is probably a good thing as the ice core data suggests a nasty cooling trend likely in the near future.
most of the warming is from the sun's cycles and earth, oceanic volcanoes.
a bit is coming from man.
that said, the global warmers best efforts may reduce pollution which is a serious problem.
another part of the thesis is that the global warming crowd in general lack the smarts to utilize capital effectively.
united nations expert reports should be disregarded because that organization is corrupt and disfunctional.
in the end, global warmers and critics have little control on the earths climate.
the point of the whole anti-global warming thing in my view is to limit funds to foolish groups and to discourage fascist tactics against scientists that
are voicing their best opinions.
so say no to fascists always and say no to people who discourage looking at both sides of any argument.
f politically correct, its the voice of the mediocre.
mediocre gets you where?
toward or back to the stone age.
"On the other hand, I think, by and large, the U.S. government played a constructive role. But the document is, in some aspects, probably weaker than some of the scientists would have it. But on looking it over carefully after I got off the plane, I thought it's a -- if I might say so myself -- I think it's quite a good piece of work."