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Postby figo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:28 am

Al Gore's experience
Reporter, politician.
Degree. BA, some law, religious studies.

Grades Science.
NATURAL SCIENCES 6 (MAN'S PLACE IN NATURE): D
NATURAL SCIENCES 118: C+

at Harvard University, Al Gore's "grades were mostly Cs, with not a single A to lighten the darkness. The best he could manage in a course called Man's place in nature was a D." And Bush? "Derided by Gore and many others as a blockhead," they write, Bush in fact boasted "a better academic record" as a history major at Yale. Gory stuff.

note: no minor degrees in sciences, environmental studies, sciences, climatology etc. etc.
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Postby tafnut » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:34 am

figo wrote:Al Gore'sGrades Science.
NATURAL SCIENCES 6 (MAN'S PLACE IN NATURE): D
NATURAL SCIENCES 118: C+.


Which only proves that you don't have to be really smart to see which way the wind's blowing. It's blowing towards us and it's hot. No rocket science degree or brain surgury credentials necessary there!
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Postby figo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:55 am

if you can't figure out an introductory course in a soft science,
you're likely very challenged to decipher with any accuracy the quality of "scientific" advisory advice.
gore is more qualified to read tarot cards that to have any say what so ever in
a scientific argument of any kind, let alone become a self appointed leader, mentor.....

Well I don’t know why I post here tonite.
I’ve got the feeling that something ain’t right.
I’m so scared in case I fall off my chair,
and I’m wondering how I’ll get down the stairs.

Clowns to the left of me! (gore)
Jokers to the right! (bush)
Here I am stuck in the middle with you (tafnut).

Trying to make some sense of it all
but I can see that it makes no sense at all.
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor?
I don’t think that I can take anymore.

Yes I’m stuck in the middle with you,
and I’m wondering what it is I should do.
It’s so hard to keep this smile from my face.
Losing control yeah I'm all over the place.

Clowns to the left of me! Jokers to the right! Here I am stuck in the middle with you...........
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Postby bad hammy » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:06 am

Some clown around here seems to think that Gore is passing himself off as a scientist. That is a joke . . .
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Postby figo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:15 am

bad hammy wrote:Some clown around here seems to think that Gore is passing himself off as a scientist. That is a joke . . .


hammy, thank you for the thought provoking comment, well said.
maybe i should rewrite "my" song above, stuck in the middle with me.
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Postby tafnut » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:23 am

Gore is merely a high profile messenger. I didn't write any literary classics, but I sho can teach 'em!! :D
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Postby tandfman » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:42 am

I just looked for some reference to Gore's college grades that would support the statements made about them by figo. All I could find was the same information repeated over and over in blogs and other web sites with a clear conservative bias.

It may all be true, but I'm skeptical.
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Postby bad hammy » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:54 am

tandfman wrote:I just looked for some reference to Gore's college grades that would support the statements made about them by figo. All I could find was the same information repeated over and over in blogs and other web sites with a clear conservative bias.

It may all be true, but I'm skeptical.

I’ve heard similar things and am not that skeptical. It plays in with my general jaded feeling that the best and brightest generally don’t become politicians. But as tafnut pointed out, it is a moot point here.

Gore is certainly qualified to be a high-profile messenger passing along the wisdom of a huge number of scientists who are much more qualified to interpret data as it relates to global climate change and our contributions to it than are Gore, figo, me or most of the folks here.
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Postby figo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:07 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18

gore in the washington post.. high iq, terrible science marks, tendency to perhaps excellence in the arts......

Gore has never released his transcripts, which were obtained independently by The Washington Post. Parts of them have been cited as well by Bill Turque, a Newsweek writer who has written a biography of Gore titled "Inventing Al Gore." The vice president chose not to comment on his grades and test scores...

When John C. Davis, a retired teacher and assistant headmaster at St. Albans, was recently shown his illustrious former pupil's college board achievement test scores, he inspected them closely with a magnifier and shook his head, chuckling quietly at the science results.

"Four eighty-eight! Terrible" Davis declared upon inspecting the future vice president's 488 score (out of a possible 800) in physics.

"Hmmmm. Chemistry. Five-nineteen. He didn't do too well in chemistry."

As Davis moved down the page, his magnifier settled on Gore's more promising achievement scores in other scholastic realms.

"English. Seven oh-five. Right at the top!"

"U.S. History. Seven oh-one. Not so bad."

Then he came to Gore's results in IQ tests taken in 1961 and 1964, at the beginning of his freshman and senior years. "One thirty-three and 134. Absolutely superb. That means tremendous ability."
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Postby tafnut » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:17 pm

figo wrote:"Four eighty-eight! Terrible" Davis declared upon inspecting the future vice president's 488 score (out of a possible 800) in physics.

"Hmmmm. Chemistry. Five-nineteen. He didn't do too well in chemistry."

"English. Seven oh-five. Right at the top!"

"U.S. History. Seven oh-one. Not so bad."

Then he came to Gore's results in IQ tests taken in 1961 and 1964, at the beginning of his freshman and senior years. "One thirty-three and 134. Absolutely superb. That means tremendous ability."


And, of course, NONE of that means squat in THIS context.
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Postby tandfman » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:23 pm


Very interesting article. Thank you.

Gore was graduated from Harvard cum laude. He's obviously not dumb. He apparenty did not do well in science, either in high school or college. OK, he didn't go into the sciences as a career.

Fact is, I don't care if the President is a scientist or did well in science in school. I do think it's best if the President has a willingness to listen to responsible scientists, take appropriate positions on public issues with scientific implications, and exercise the political skills needed to give effect to those positions. Not wanting to get this post pulled, I'll say no more.
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Postby MJD » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:27 pm

figo wrote:Then he came to Gore's results in IQ tests taken in 1961 and 1964, at the beginning of his freshman and senior years. "One thirty-three and 134. Absolutely superb. That means tremendous ability."


No one wants to go there-trust me.
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Postby MJD » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:46 am

SQUACKEE wrote:
tafnut wrote:
MJD wrote:Soft, whiny and lazy USAnians


Redundant,redundant, redundant


Colder in Buffalo today than it was the day after the Super Bowl but, funny, the schools didn't get closed. Strange how that works.
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Postby MJD » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:44 am

This is funny:

"As much of the United States already knows, February doesn't seem as unusually warm as January was."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070215/D8NAE9404.html
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Postby figo » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:16 pm

i'm getting scared about global warming....

after all this cold weather, the earth seems to be hotter than ever. oh no.

imagine how much warmer earth will be when the weather is not so cold, like say summer, my friends?

look out.
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Postby figo » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:10 pm

"According to a new U.N. report, the global warming outlook is much worse than originally predicted. Which is pretty bad when they originally predicted it would destroy the planet." --Jay Leno

"The report on climate change said that humans are very likely making the planet warmer. To which Hillary Clinton said, 'Hey, can't blame me for that one.'" --Jay Leno

"President Bush has a plan. He says that if we need to, we can lower the temperature dramatically just by switching from Fahrenheit to Celsius" --Jimmy Kimmel, on fighting global warming

"Scientists say because of global warming they expect the world's oceans to rise four and a half feet. The scientists say this can mean only one thing: Gary Coleman is going to drown." --Conan O'Brien

Finally, President Bush is going to do something about global warming. He became alarmed when another chunk of ice fell off his mother." --David Letterman

"Has anybody seen the Al Gore movie about global warming and the environment? Well, the Bush administration has seen it and they are very annoyed about the whole thing. As a matter of fact, earlier today, Dick Cheney shot a projectionist. ... One very dramatic scene in the Al Gore global warming movie is when a glacier melts and they find more Al Gore ballots from the election." --David Letterman

"President Bush told reporters he won't see Al Gore's documentary about the threat of global warming. He will not see it. On the other hand, Dick Cheney said he's seen the global warming film five times, and it still cracks him up." --Conan O'Brien

"According to a survey in this week's Time magazine, 85% of Americans think global warming is happening. The other 15% work for the White House." --Jay Leno

"Al Gore has a hit movie called 'An Inconvenient Truth.' I have an inconvenient truth for him: you're still not the president. ... This past weekend, Al Gore's movie, 'An Inconvenient Truth,' earned more per screen than any film in the country. ... I dare say Gore's movie is the highest grossing PowerPoint presentation in history. ... Global warming: Can we live with it? ... It is time we did something, namely resign ourselves to doing nothing [on screen: Follow Congress' Lead]. ... For instance, when sea levels rise, we'll just build levees [on screen: Worked for New Orleans]" --Stephen Colbert

"Experts say this global warming is serious, and they are predicting now that by the year 2050, we will be out of party ice." --David Letterman

"Former Vice President Al Gore starring in a new documentary about global warming. I believe it's called [Leno snores]. ... The film actually features Al Gore and explores his journey on how he first got interested in temperature change. It started back when he was vice president. He noticed how the temperature would change, like whenever Bill would walk into the room, it would get warm and whenever Hillary walked into the room, it got cold." --Jay Leno

"President Bush said global warming is happening much quicker than he thought, and then his staff pulled him aside and said 'It's just springtime.'" --Jay Leno

"Arnold Schwarzenegger is blaming man for global warming. And today, Al Gore agreed with him. That's so typical. Two cyborgs, 'Oh, let's blame the humans.'" --Jay Leno

"Al Gore is coming out with a movie about global warming called 'An Inconvenient Truth.' It's described as a detailed scientific view of global warming. President Bush said he just saw a film about global warming, 'Ice Age 2; The Meltdown.' He said, 'It's so much better than that boring Al Gore movie.'" --Jay Leno

"Don't kid yourself. Global warming is no joke. Here's how serious global warming has gotten to be in the United States. In this country global warming is so bad, we are now actually starting to warm up to Barry Bonds." --David Letterman

"According to Time magazine, global warming is 33% worse than we thought. You know what that means? Al Gore is one-third more annoying than we thought." --Jay Leno

"They say if the warming trend continues, by 2015 Hillary Clinton might actually thaw out." --Jay Leno, on global warming

"Al Gore announced he is finishing up a new book about global warming and the environment. Yeah, the first chapter talks about how you shouldn't chop down trees to make a book that no one will read." --Conan O'Brien

"We estimate that there are perhaps 20,000 prehistoric hunter-gatherers frozen up in those glaciers. Now, if they simply thaw and wander around, it's not a problem, but if they find a leader -- a Captain Caveman, if you will -- we'll be facing an even more serious problem." --Daily Show correspondent John Hodgman, on the dangers of global warming

"At a press conference yesterday NASA announced that 2005 was the hottest year on record. It is so hot, and global warming is so bad, if the presidential election were held today, Al Gore would still lose." --Jay Leno

"Heating bills this winter are the highest they've been in five years, but President Bush has a plan to combat rising bills. It's called global warming." --Jay Leno

Yesterday, a group of scientists warned that because of global warming, sea levels will rise so much that parts of New Jersey will be under water. The bad news? Parts of New Jersey won't be under water." --Conan O'Brien

"Al Gore said over the weekend that global warming is more serious than terrorism. Unless the terrorist is on your plane, then that extra half a degree doesn't bother you so much." --Jay Leno

"President Bush is taking more liberal positions. For example global warming. He used to be against it. Now it's the Republican plan for heating homes this winter." -Jay Leno


We should move towards a second ice age. Follow me, if the glaciers are coming towards us at like an inch a year, then the government would have time to respond." --Jay Leno

"Barbra Streisand told Diane Sawyer that we're in a global warming crisis, and we can expect more and more intense storms, droughts and dust bowls. But before they act, weather experts say they're still waiting to hear from Celine Dion." --Jay Leno (dust bowls were created in a cooling period 1930's- and subsided during the warming trend)

"Governor Schwarzenegger spoke about the dangers of global warming. Schwarzenegger's exact words were: fire, hot, bad." --Conan O'Brien

"NASA just released their new report on global warming or, as President Bush, calls it -- Spring." --Jay Leno
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:40 pm

figo,

Thanks! Made me laugh . . .
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Postby tafnut » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:52 pm

good stuff - I see all the 'Frigid Hilary' jokes and note that in today's paper there was an article about how the Republicans and Conservatives (sorry for the redundancy there) are ganging up on her now and starting their smear campaigns early. Obviously they are VERY scared of her and Obama, who is taking lots of shots pretty darned early in the campaign (only 21 shopping months left till the election :shock: ). I can only surmise that this campaign will be the messiest ever (or does each one get dirtier than the previous one, regardless of opponents?)!
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:55 pm

Thanks, tafnut. We have carefully nurtured this thread for weeks and now you have to bring blatant partisan politics into it, ensuring its premature demise . . . :roll:
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Postby tafnut » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:59 pm

Fine! In 2 minutes I'll delete this post, then you delete yours and I'll delete mine, got it?! :)
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Postby SQUACKEE » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:00 pm

tafnut wrote:good stuff - I see all the 'Frigid Hilary' jokes and note that in today's paper there was an article about how the Republicans and Conservatives (sorry for the redundancy there) are ganging up on her now and starting their smear campaigns early. Obviously they are VERY scared of her and Obama, who is taking lots of shots pretty darned early in the campaign (only 21 shopping months left till the election :shock: ). I can only surmise that this campaign will be the messiest ever (or does each one get dirtier than the previous one, regardless of opponents?)!


If only one side smeared this would be news. Let me know when she's called a retarded,blood thirsty, lying, betraying,drunken, draft dodging, nazi cowboy. :lol:
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Postby tafnut » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:01 pm

Never mind . . . squackee wrecked it . . . of course . . . :roll:
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Postby SQUACKEE » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:01 pm

tafnut wrote:Fine! In 2 minutes I'll delete this post, then you delete yours and I'll delete mine, got it?! :)


To late- mission impossible!
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:06 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:Let me know when she's called a retarded,blood thirsty, lying, betraying,drunken, draft dodging, nazi cowboy. :lol:

Obvious presidential material . . . :P
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Postby tandfman » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:21 pm

tafnut wrote:good stuff - I see all the 'Frigid Hilary' jokes and note that in today's paper there was an article about how the Republicans and Conservatives (sorry for the redundancy there) are ganging up on her now and starting their smear campaigns early.

Not all of them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/us/po ... ref=slogin
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Postby figo » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:21 pm

i stopped by the local for a few cold ones.
spotted a phd particle physicist who hangs about.
great, i get to be educated about cyclotrons, discuss the cause of inertia, what happens if you bash this into that, etc.
well someone pops up and talks global warming.
of course, i pop up and say, you know the max plank institute says this, co2 according to this other institute does that.....

is short order a normally coherent conversation resembles a debate among people with religious fervor....
logic goes out the window, hey how about those rain forests? you want those cut down?
it comes down to having the top guys knowing how we know things. what is good data, what is not. no spins, balls.
unfortunately once we get emotional, we spin things in our head.
such is life as we know it.
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Postby figo » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:12 pm

er cyclotrons-above, how do you edit? after the button goes away?
buttons came back, fixed it.
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Postby tandfman » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:25 am

I've never seen the edit button go away. I recently edited something I thnk I did more than a year ago. The thread was active again, I noticed a typo, opened it with the edit button, and fixed it.
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Postby MJD » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:35 am

Only there if you are logged in.
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Postby tandfman » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:42 am

True, but he had to have been logged in when he made both of those postings. Now that I look again, I see there was a two-hour gap between the two postings. Perhaps he saw the first while not logged in, then logged in to make the second, not realizing that by logging in, he got himself access to the edit button for the first, thus obviating the second.

Ironically, edited to fix typo.
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Postby figo » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:56 am

thanks all for looking into the edit thing.
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Postby MJD » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:36 am

tandfman wrote:True, but he had to have been logged in when he made both of those postings. Now that I look again, I see there was a two-hour gap between the two postings. Perhaps he saw the first while not logged in, then logged in to make the second, not realizing that by logging in, he got himself access to the edit button for the first, thus obviating the second.

Ironically, edited to fix typo.


Who knows. All I know is that you have to be logged in to see the edit function.
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Postby tandfman » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:59 am

MJD wrote:All I know is that you have to be logged in to see the edit function.

Well, yes. It has to be that way or else anyone could edit anything regardless of authorship. The edit button appears only on things the logged-in user has created.
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Postby figo » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:20 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html

The Tempest

By Joel Achenbach
Sunday, May 28, 2006; W08

right now they are paying people to find facts that support gwarming while
firing guys, cutting funding that have contrary findings.

its a kangaroo court, a crazed mob, witch hunt,etc.etc.
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Postby figo » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:22 pm

http://www.russiablog.org/2007/03/russian_astronomer_points_to_g.php

Russian Astronomer Cites Global Warming On Mars, Doubts Man-Made Climate Change on Earth

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

of course, the above conclusions are not well received... better cancel the research budgets of the above aholes...., maybe consider shutting down national geographic for being anti-semetic, as denying global warming = denying the holocaust... =..

and doubly of course is that the al gore think tank will say that man made global warming is so profound that the whole solar system is warming up, infact, causing the sun to overheat as well... god, pluto may heat up from -278 to -277, screwing up that planet totally.
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Postby lonewolf » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:53 pm

Geeezzzz. This thread is harder to kill than kudzu.
I check in about once a month and am pleased to note that figo is still a voice of reason fighting the good fight for those of us who refuse to be panicked by pop-pseudo science which ignores five billion years of repetitive reality.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:13 am

lonewolf wrote:Geeezzzz. This thread is harder to kill than kudzu.
I check in about once a month and am pleased to note that figo is still a voice of reason fighting the good fight for those of us who refuse to be panicked by pop-pseudo science which ignores five billion years of repetitive reality.


Dont forget Squackee as a voice of reason. The good news from the "world is ending" crowd is that they're so hysterical that the world will be pretty much F#$%$ in 20 years. I intended to be around then and when the doomers all have a cream pie thrown in their face i might just emit a razzberry in their general direction. Or theyre right and im gonna drown from the death of a million icebergs.

Please note that im fully aware that in 20 years there will be another and more popular end of the world farce.

They have some what successfully advanced the idea that if you dont agree with the doomers your a Nazi. Thats pretty impressive.

I did see the doomers Christ at an award show recently. I was a little disappointed he didnt levitate, although i did hear later he did with the aid of a private machine spewing a toxic gas and rising to the heavens.
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Postby lonewolf » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:44 am

Sorry, Squak. I did not mean to denigrate anyone's contribution to the defense of reason in this brew-ha-ha... I know there are others here who share my opinion that we are not facing an immediate climatic apocalypse and that man is not responsible for the natural thermal fluctuations of the earth. I am just impressed with the quantity and quality of figo's arguments in doing the heavy lifting in documenting my conclusions..
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Postby SQUACKEE » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:16 am

No worries lonewolf. I appreciate figo's data as well. The Gore's movie im sure is very convincing but its not fact its propaganda just as a movie promoting the idea that man has no effect on the temp. of earth with dozens of "experts" would also be propaganda.

Im going to Home Depot today and im gonna buy a earth friendly lite bulb. While im there im gonna get some lumber and build a soap box to stand on. :P
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Postby Mighty Favog » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:36 pm

I think this sums up the discussion nicely:

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