Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group


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Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby TrackCEO » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:35 pm

He's just some old New Zealand ex-pat. Apparently hasn't competed since 1965. He's planning to compete at a Kiwi meet in February.

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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby big mac » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:16 pm

Awesome news. I doubt he would compete if he would embarrass himself, so he should do well.

Probably going to be more spectators there than at the Commonwelath games trials in Christchurch.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Django » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:24 pm

I thought he'd competed in a Masters event in an indoor meet in NYC about 10 or 15 years ago. If I recall, he won a mile in just under 5 minutes.
Nevertheless, it'd be great to see him competeing again!
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby slowcoach » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:39 pm

I don't want to know.

I don't want to hear that "some" 65 yr old can run faster at 800m than I can for 400m (probably).
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:13 am

who can guess what he will run?

ill say 2:19 assuming he can train and is serious.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:35 am

M65 800 METER RUN
World Record: 2:14.33 Earl Fee (CAN) 07/18/95
American Record: 2:21.14 Sidney Howard (NJ) 08/07/04

top 5 USA this year:
2:24.61 SID HOWARD (492)
2:26.29 MACK STEWART (442)
2:31.08 LEE WALTON (265*)
2:32.15 HOWARD WEISSER (265*)
2:34.39 DAN MCCORMACK (442)

I would say 2:30 would be a big success.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:49 am

thanks for the info nut!

there is so many ways to look at a 65 yr old x-super star. a 3 min half would be great in the big picture. if peter has even a small flame left of that burning competive fire and can train who knows what he can do. 3:00-2:15??????
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Cyril » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:21 am

It will all depend on how seriously he approaches it, how fit he is currently and how he trains. Being an exercise physiologist, I suspect he is in decent shape and will train appropriately.

If he takes it somewhat seriously, don't think a age WR is out of the question.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby gh » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:26 am

In the mid-'70s, when Superstars competitions were all the rage, there was a Kiwi version, in which Snell competed against John Walker and Rod Dixon, among others. Not sure, but i THINK he won. I recall Walker and Dixon saying they had never seen such a complete natural athlete, and he did something like pick up a bow and arrow for the first time and run off a string of bullseyes, or the like. (Story did/has probably grown in the telling, and with the fuzzing of tiem, but bottom line is that Walker and Dixon at their peaks were truly amazed at what a Snell who was 15 years older could sitll do)
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Vern » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:28 am

Didn't he also win a veteran Superstars at some point?
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:53 am

If he takes it somewhat seriously, don't think a age WR is out of the question.


i doubt the current age group world record holder has a 1:44 p.r.!!!!
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:01 am

I am always amazed at how extraordinarily differently people age. NEVER bet on masters athletes because of what they did at their peak. Many great former athletes have discovered that Father Time has not been kind to them - even if they stayed in shape and slim - and some run-of-the-mill guys don't lose much at all and suddenly find themselves doing very well. PS could be a 2:15 guy or a 3:15 guy.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Cyril » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:25 am

TAFNUT-

Maybe, but I don't know if he would even bother if he'd be running 3:15. Also, the article made it sound like he was taking it somewhat seriously. This along with his understanding of the event, the physiology and the necessary training make me think it will be much closer to 2:15 (maybe even better) than to 3:15.
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I'd rather not see it

Postby Honusonthesound » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:27 am

I'd like to remember the guy as he was. He was one tough cookie that came to race. He was a force. The guy had a field event guy's mentality which gave him an advantage right from the get-go. :- )
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Re: I'd rather not see it

Postby MJD » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:32 am

Was he the smoker or was it some other down-under guy?
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:33 am

>>make me think it will be much closer to 2:15 (maybe even>better) than to 3:15.<<

let's hope so - like honus, I prefer to remember him as the 'animal' he was (that's a compliment btw).
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby gh » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:34 am

Herb Elliott was the smoker (althugh as I recall, Snell ended up as a promo guy for Rothman's at one point)
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Re: I'd rather not see it

Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:35 am

>Was he the smoker or was it some other down-under guy?<

from:http://www.pukeariki.com/en/stories/sport/snellsecret.asp
"For the record… Peter never took up cigarettes and is extremely anti-smoking."
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby MJD » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:37 am

I mentioned on another thread that Earl Fee(the canuck with the 800 65-69 age group record) just got named male athlete of the recent Masters games and got a trip to the WAF for his troubles.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby KDFINE » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:10 am

As I recall, Snell competed in the Superstars open competition. As a tennis player he was perhaps a bit of a ringer. I seem to recall him being wiped out in a fall on the bicycle - someone fell in front and brought him down. At the time I felt he was cheated out of points since it wasn't he that precipitated the fall.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:14 am

this is conversation i believe never took place-

" hey snell great time trial that 2:36 you just ran was not bad. whata think about going to the masters champ. as an x olympic champion wouldnt it be cool to travel to the meet and get maybe 10th place."

here is a conversation much more likely-

"hey snell great time trial. that time you just ran could win the world championship, maybe a new world record to-boot mate. lets do it!"
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby gh » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:19 am

A google for Snell and Rothman's turned up this entry in a Sacred Heart College (of Auckland) reunion chat board

<<In my years at SHC, I can recall running track with the team and one day, Peter Snell showed up to train with us. There we were with the future World Record holder in the mile and the Gold Medal winner in the Olympics. Guess what Mr. Snell did when he was not running...he was a sales rep for Rothman's cigarettes! He even showed up at the college that day in a car with the Rothmann's logo on the side door. >>
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby MJD » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:26 am

Shades of Liu Xiang as discussed before. Quite the site I came upon when I googled him and cigarettes:

http://www.tobacco.org/news/179826.html
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby db2:08 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:24 pm

SAW PETER IN VANCOUVER CANADA,2004//@HARRY JEROME
WITH WALKER&STEVE SCOTT.HE LOOKED GREAT FOR 64.

hope they run his group at milrose games ,it,ll be fun.

our local group from kentucky is heading to newyork for 5th ave.mile&our track club annual outing.8 team members are running.

the people in newyork said there will be 2-3 masters trying like hell to break 4:10 or 4 minutes.sounds like fun.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby trackhead » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:10 pm

I just got off the phone with Peter and he asked me to set some things straight:

He is not, in any way, making any sort of athletics comeback. 8min miles are all he manages these days, as far as running goes. He will be cheering ont he New Zealand masters runners, as well as competing in masters orienteering, a sport in which Peter plans to continue competing for sometime.

but no running comeback in any form.

Sorry guys.
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby TrackCEO » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:55 pm

Trackhead, could U please email me privately with any other details of your chat with Dr. Snell? Did he call you? Is he aware that the UK magazine Running Fitness jumped the gun -- suggesting a track comeback? Just curious.

I'm at TrackCEO@aol.com

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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Daisy » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:28 am

> as well as competing in masters orienteering, a sport in which Peter plans to continue competing for sometime.


Shades of Gordon Pirie here who was also quite serious about orienteering. It seems that there should be more cross over with track. Certainly in my university days we would persuade quite a few orienteers to compete in the 5000m and cross country. They were excellent runners (no surprises there of course).
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Postby TrackCEO » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:45 pm

Well, Dr. Snell!

Old Peter has entered a masters mile -- on the roads of Dunedin in his native New Zealand -- in early February, at least three NZ news outlets report.

See my blog for details:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/archives/000589.html

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Snell

Postby trackhead » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:19 pm

I will speak with him later this week and let you know what he says -- albet second hand.
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Postby Daisy » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:19 pm

TrackCEO wrote:Well, Dr. Snell!

Old Peter has entered a masters mile -- on the roads of Dunedin in his native New Zealand -- in early February, at least three NZ news outlets report.

See my blog for details:
http://masterstrack.com/blog/archives/000589.html

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i noticed it said he is doing the orienteering event too. So is he treating the masters mile a warm up event?
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Postby TrackCEO » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:47 am

NZ report sez: "Snell ... has also entered the orienteering on the Saturday and Sunday before the mile."

But the REALLY funny line was:

It will be a more relaxed race next year and Snell is not expected to break the 4min barrier.

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Postby eastcoach » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:53 am

Isn't he undefeated?
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Re: Peter Snell planning masters comeback in M65 group

Postby Pego » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:53 am

Daisy wrote:> as well as competing in masters orienteering, a sport in which Peter plans to continue competing for sometime.


Shades of Gordon Pirie here who was also quite serious about orienteering. It seems that there should be more cross over with track. Certainly in my university days we would persuade quite a few orienteers to compete in the 5000m and cross country. They were excellent runners (no surprises there of course).


What really slows you down in orienteering are all those damn taverns along the way.
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Postby KevinM » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:09 am

eastcoach wrote:Isn't he undefeated?


No. You are confusing him with Herb Elliott.
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Postby Daisy » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:30 am

TrackCEO wrote:NZ report sez: "Snell ... has also entered the orienteering on the Saturday and Sunday before the mile."


Obviously I didn't read closely enough! So it will be a warm down. I love the four minute line.

And that speaking of those Tarverns in the woods, that reminds me. If you're ever hiking in Muir woods (near SF) don't miss the Bavarian tourist club. Its a bar literally in the woods with a deck looking out over the redwoods.
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Snell

Postby trackhead » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:32 pm

I spoke with Peter today -- he said that he is hoping to run run inside four minutes twice in a row in a single mile...

I told him that, given the chatter on the boards over this subject, that his legend had not lost any luster over the decades. He replied, "Well, I think I may break that trend after this mile!"

He went off to go run on his treadmill at a comfortable 10min/mi, and said that if he finishes in a time of 7something, he will be pleased.
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Re: Snell

Postby Daisy » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:37 pm

trackhead wrote:I spoke with Peter today -- he said that he is hoping to run run inside four minutes twice in a row in a single mile...

I told him that, given the chatter on the boards over this subject, that his legend had not lost any luster over the decades. He replied, "Well, I think I may break that trend after this mile!"

He went off to go run on his treadmill at a comfortable 10min/mi, and said that if he finishes in a time of 7something, he will be pleased.

LOL nice update trackhead. I'm glad to see Snell has a great sense of humour.

by the way why is this thread in the 'things not track and field' category?
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