Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?


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Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby run4urlyfe » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:29 am

Is there anyone who you would put your hand in the fire for??? 2013 has turned out to be " the year of the doper" as we have seen names turned up dirty that i would never even dream of in my wildest dreams. I was never one to believe that all the pros were in on the cat and mouse game and just one step ahead but it seems that this is being proven true. If VCB, Tyson Gay, Powell, Simpson can turn up dirty then I wouldn't put it past anyone at this point I do have two names in mind i think i would still put my hand in the fire for. If one of these two ever came up dirty my faith in athletic integrity would be damaged forever. So to my fellow posters do you wanna drop any names who you would put your hand in the fire for?
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:36 am

This thread needs to be closed immediately. By signalling who you WILL "put your hand in the fire for" it will be telling who you wouldn't. As far as I'm concerned that's an implication and beyond the rules of the board. Thread needs to be locked.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Blues » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:47 am

I'm getting in before it's locked... Unfortunately I don't know names, but here are some photos of athletes I'll currently put my hand in the fire for.

http://www.risingstarstc.com/photos/laj ... g_1189.jpg

http://kharefamily.files.wordpress.com/ ... og-005.jpg
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby tgs3 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:52 am

Seems pretty obvious to me that the girl receiving the baton is a serious doper.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:52 am

Blues wrote:I'm getting in before it's locked... Unfortunately I don't know names, but here are some photos of athletes I'll currently put my hand in the fire for.

http://www.risingstarstc.com/photos/laj ... g_1189.jpg

http://kharefamily.files.wordpress.com/ ... og-005.jpg

Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind would trust a pony tail? And, the red socks are clearly performance enhancing! :twisted: :mrgreen:
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby run4urlyfe » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:55 am

batonless relay wrote:This thread needs to be closed immediately. By signalling who you WILL "put your hand in the fire for" it will be telling who you wouldn't. As far as I'm concerned that's an implication and beyond the rules of the board. Thread needs to be locked.


No one need not mention who they wouldn't put their hand in the fire for. Just because you wouldn't put your hand in the fire for someone doesn't mean you think they are not clean it just means you wouldn't risk life and limb for them. I am just curious if there are any athletes that any posters still would defend till the end. For all you know some people would say none it doesn't mean everyone is dirty it just means they wouldn't risk the heat of a flame for them. Get it? Good.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby run4urlyfe » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:56 am

Blues wrote:I'm getting in before it's locked... Unfortunately I don't know names, but here are some photos of athletes I'll currently put my hand in the fire for.

http://www.risingstarstc.com/photos/laj ... g_1189.jpg

http://kharefamily.files.wordpress.com/ ... og-005.jpg


Is that Kori Carter??
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby gh » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:58 am

40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:00 am

gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Pego » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:02 am

kuha wrote:
gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.


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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby tm71 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:03 am

kuha wrote:
gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.



is this merely a philosophical exercise ? can anyone trust people that they don't really know ?
sometimes you get even burned by people you know well.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:03 am

kuha wrote:
gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.

talk about naive.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/m ... ml?eref=T1
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby gh » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:13 am

a followup: dad went to the slammer over it

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ke ... to-get-you
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby tm71 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:14 am

batonless relay wrote:
kuha wrote:
gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.

talk about naive.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/m ... ml?eref=T1


since that kid was only 13 yrs old his dad could be charged with child abuse
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby The Flying Pigdog » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:19 am

That Corey kid eventually testified against his Dad, who pled guilty and was sentenced to like 5 or 6 years in jail and if I remember correctly, he's a free man now.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:20 am

tm71 wrote:is this merely a philosophical exercise ? can anyone trust people that they don't really know ?
sometimes you get even burned by people you know well.


Exactly. The larger point is the essential imperfection of human nature. And the fact that, in human affairs, there are no absolutes. We can either accept that as a fundamental reality, or be perpetually surprised, outraged, indignant, etc.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby tm71 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:22 am

The Flying Pigdog wrote:That Corey kid eventually testified against his Dad, who pled guilty and was sentenced to like 5 or 6 years in jail and if I remember correctly, he's a free man now.


i see now, the story was published on SI in 2008. good to see that the authorities charged and convicted him. often they dont want to deal with the mess and drama of cases like this.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:29 am

kuha wrote:
gh wrote:40-odd years ago I decided it was easiest just to take the stance that everbody is using; that way you never have to face crushing disappointment when it turns out to be true. (but no, of course, I don't really believe everybody is)


Yup.

If you want a guarantee of absolute purity, stick to junior high level sports.

Having watched the antics of sideline parents you are likely to have your faith in absolute purity destroyed. Just look at what those parents in the child beauty pageants get up to. The kids may be pure, or at least start off pure, but their parents?? And I believe there are probably parents out there who would stop at nothing to ensure their child wins.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby norunner » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:52 am

Until last year i was certain that German runners were clean, because they were simply too bad to be using. I mean, you don't need to dope to run 400m in 46.5 or 53.0s. Then Simret Restle tested positive, a woman with a 1500m PB of 4:16 and 10000m of 32:41. That's when i realised, nobody is above suspicion, no matter where they stand in the rankings.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:03 pm

Just read the SI article GH posted. Just proves some parents are worse that the worst PED adult athletes.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby toyracer » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:03 pm

run4urlyfe wrote:Is there anyone who you would put your hand in the fire for???


There was.

Even if it was not intentional, end effect is that my hand would be burned now... so...

No.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby run4urlyfe » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:37 pm

I am not sure how controversial this statement is going to be......... I for one would lose my faith in mankind if I found out tracks eternal sweetheart Allyson Felix was doping. I can't put my finger on why I trust her so much even amidst all the positive busts right now. Some of it might be her early performances that were otherworldy while still displaying the physique of a normal teenage girl(possibly even an underwhelming physique). Her tears in Bejing were those of someone who had sacrificed almost all their body could which is why losing didn't come easy because she took no shortcuts. Then submitting to the stringent standards of Project Believe where she does blood tests more than double the amount that the average track and field athlete has to.

I believe her in my heart when she says she runs to glorify god and that if winning is not in his plan she prays that she can accept that and be ok with that. Many of the others like to claim god at the finish line(as do gangsta rappers at soul train awards) but I believe Allyson has walked the walk for the most part ex. missing training sessions for participation in her church outreach etc. I believe if Allyson was ever unclean the 200 wr would have fallen and we would have seen much better 100 times from her.

I think alot of the same things go for Sanya as well. I feel that she probably treasures her health much more than the average young athlete because of all she has been through. An illness that could jeopardize your life puts winning and losing in perspective. Like Allyson her virtuosic performances as a junior allowed for the progressions she had throughout her career and I believe if she were dirty she would have broken or at least been much more closer to Marita Koch's record.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby americantrackfan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:48 pm

I know I'm beyond doping. Other than that I can't say for sure. I know most of my teammates and close friends well enough that I know they wouldn't dope , but the only person you can absolutely know is clean is yourself...
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby TeWaio » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:49 pm

After the amazing comeback from cancer, I'd be gutted if Novlene Williams-Mills was +ve.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Flumpy » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:34 pm

Blues wrote:I'm getting in before it's locked... Unfortunately I don't know names, but here are some photos of athletes I'll currently put my hand in the fire for.

http://www.risingstarstc.com/photos/laj ... g_1189.jpg

http://kharefamily.files.wordpress.com/ ... og-005.jpg


Do any of them have braces??? :lol:
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:09 pm

TeWaio wrote:After the amazing comeback from cancer, I'd be gutted if Novlene Williams-Mills was +ve.

Millions said the same about some other famous athlete cancer survivor.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby dbirds » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:20 pm

Felix and Trey Hardee
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby ATK » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:57 pm

dbirds wrote:Felix and Trey Hardee

On Saturday, I bet many would put them on par with Tyson Gay.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:30 pm

Mary Cain? If a high school junior was going to cheat, I find it implausible that he/she would go this far with it.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Tuariki » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:31 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:Mary Cain? If a high school junior was going to cheat, I find it implausible that he/she would go this far with it.

OMG jazzcyclist - are you into self flagellation. You've just given aaronk another opening. Mind you, at least this time we will all be supporting aaronk as he writes another chapter in the continuing biography of young Miss Cain.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby rainy.here » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:40 pm

I'm not going to put my hand in the fire for her, but if Allyson Felix got caught doping I would thereafter assume that EVERYONE dopes. I'm not an american.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby croflash » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:11 pm

I'm not sure there is a correlation between the likelihood of doping and whether you are an asshole or the nicest person in the world.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby luther » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:45 pm

No. Unfortunately.

I'd like to know if there's an athlete that a rival/competitor would be willing to put their hand into this (hopefully) metaphorical fire for. Sadly, I would doubt it.

Allyson Felix went further than most in her interview last year with Piers Morgan - no "I can't worry about that, I must concentrate on myself" or similar cliches. I'd certainly put my hand very, very close to the fire for her.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Tuariki » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:25 am

luther wrote:No. Unfortunately.

I'd like to know if there's an athlete that a rival/competitor would be willing to put their hand into this (hopefully) metaphorical fire for. Sadly, I would doubt it.

Allyson Felix went further than most in her interview last year with Piers Morgan - no "I can't worry about that, I must concentrate on myself" or similar cliches. I'd certainly put my hand very, very close to the fire for her.

Luther, I bet if Alison looked like Phyllis Diller instead of that Goddess of female sexuality, Cleopatra, I bet neither you nor any of the other testosterone challenged senior citizens inhabiting this forum would stick their wrinkled hands anywhere near that metaphorical fire. :lol:
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby luther » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:33 am

Tuariki wrote:
luther wrote:No. Unfortunately.

I'd like to know if there's an athlete that a rival/competitor would be willing to put their hand into this (hopefully) metaphorical fire for. Sadly, I would doubt it.

Allyson Felix went further than most in her interview last year with Piers Morgan - no "I can't worry about that, I must concentrate on myself" or similar cliches. I'd certainly put my hand very, very close to the fire for her.

Luther, I bet if Alison looked like Phyllis Diller instead of that Goddess of female sexuality, Cleopatra, I bet neither you nor any of the other testosterone challenged senior citizens inhabiting this forum would stick their wrinkled hands anywhere near that metaphorical fire. :lol:


Ouch.... Had to google Phyllis Diller. Double ouch... But in defence of my testosterone levels, I've seen athletes that in my opinion are better looking than Ms Felix who would send me running for a metaphorical firehose for our metaphorical fire.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby Rog » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:35 am

Like GH, I long ago adopted the mindset that everyone is doping. That way you supposedly can't be disappointed. Although I usually am.

If doping improves performance, then surely it is only logical that the athletes with the best performances are more likely to be doped. I am not remotely surprised about Tyson Gay, as he looks like he tried everything to be fast - his body looks abused, not healthy. Powell doesn't shock me either, although I didn't think he was so obvious as Gay.

The signs of drug use are most obvious among the women, and there are no top level female sprinters I would discount from suspicion. Either they have prominent adam's apples, masculine physiques, or the sort of androgynous appearances that you just don't see in everyday life. Or in some cases all three! So Veronica Campbell Brown doesn't surprise me either.

The thing is, I liked all three of them, and part of me will be sorry to see them disappear from the circuit. Have to say though I am less sorry to see Gay go, as his "I put my faith in someone and they let me down" patter seems designed to put the blame on someone else and absolve him from accountability, which is highly unlikely. I wish he would have said "I know what I did, I take responsibility for it". I think Gatlin and Lashawn Merritt would be more popular if they'd had the guts and the character to be honest and admit they knew what they were doing. Marion Jones is the supreme example of this self-serving hypocrisy, which is why she's maybe the most hated athlete of the last 20 years.

I wish these people would follow the example of Angella Issajenko, who admitted doping, explained why she'd done it, and told in great detail what it involved. If the other dopers did the same, maybe our sport - and ultimately, others - could finally come clean about the realities of drug use and face the issue openly, instead of the facade of the current situation.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:02 am

luther wrote:No. Unfortunately.

I'd like to know if there's an athlete that a rival/competitor would be willing to put their hand into this (hopefully) metaphorical fire for. Sadly, I would doubt it.

Allyson Felix went further than most in her interview last year with Piers Morgan - no "I can't worry about that, I must concentrate on myself" or similar cliches. I'd certainly put my hand very, very close to the fire for her.

One thing about that interview is that it was obvious that Allyson believed that some of her competitors were dopers. Add to this the fact that Felix has been a pro for ten years and has experienced defeat and disappointment, and we can assume that she's been subjected to the temptation to cheat. I wouldn't put my hand in the fire for any pro who has been subjected to the temptation to cheat. I'd be more willing to put my had in the fire for highly successful high school and college athletes who have yet to experience major defeat and disappointment.
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Postby ATK » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:50 am

Rog wrote:The signs of drug use are most obvious among the women, and there are no top level female sprinters I would discount from suspicion. Either they have prominent adam's apples, masculine physiques, or the sort of androgynous appearances that you just don't see in everyday life. Or in some cases all three! So Veronica Campbell Brown doesn't surprise me either.

This is kind of ridiculous...
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby luther » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:20 am

jazzcyclist wrote:
luther wrote:No. Unfortunately.

I'd like to know if there's an athlete that a rival/competitor would be willing to put their hand into this (hopefully) metaphorical fire for. Sadly, I would doubt it.

Allyson Felix went further than most in her interview last year with Piers Morgan - no "I can't worry about that, I must concentrate on myself" or similar cliches. I'd certainly put my hand very, very close to the fire for her.

One thing about that interview is that it was obvious that Allyson believed that some of her competitors were dopers. Add to this the fact that Felix has been a pro for ten years and has experienced defeat and disappointment, and we can assume that she's been subjected to the temptation to cheat. I wouldn't put my hand in the fire for any pro who has been subjected to the temptation to cheat. I'd be more willing to put my had in the fire for highly successful high school and college athletes who have yet to experience major defeat and disappointment.


Your first part of your reply was what I was alluding to. I thought for a nanosecond that she was going to name names. I must see that interview again.
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Re: Is there any athlete whose integrity is beyond doping?

Postby jazzcyclist » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:53 am

luther wrote:Your first part of your reply was what I was alluding to. I thought for a nanosecond that she was going to name names. I must see that interview again.

What I remember is her tacit admission that she had names in mind, but Morgan didn't press her to go Gwen Torrence, though I'm sure that Felix wouldn't have walked on that landmine even if he did ask some follow up questions.
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